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	<title>Comments on: Heat knock Thunder out of rhythm, hang on for close win</title>
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		<title>By: musilly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[musilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, and the people lamenting that their train *together* aren&#039;t being specific enough.
Sure, they&#039;re training &quot;together.&quot;
More specifically, they&#039;re training *against* each other, using each other as motivation to get better.
The result is what we saw yesterday. Great basketball competition.
The critics need to get their act &quot;together.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and the people lamenting that their train *together* aren&#8217;t being specific enough.<br />
Sure, they&#8217;re training &#8220;together.&#8221;<br />
More specifically, they&#8217;re training *against* each other, using each other as motivation to get better.<br />
The result is what we saw yesterday. Great basketball competition.<br />
The critics need to get their act &#8220;together.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: musilly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[musilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely put.

Another factor working against LeBron:
the media&#039;s (offensive!) bias against defense. The focus tends is on box-score offense stats and W-L record.

LeBron is obviously much better defensively than the other major MVP candidates (Paul, Carmelo, Durant), but he doesn&#039;t seem to get many (enough) MVP points for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put.</p>
<p>Another factor working against LeBron:<br />
the media&#8217;s (offensive!) bias against defense. The focus tends is on box-score offense stats and W-L record.</p>
<p>LeBron is obviously much better defensively than the other major MVP candidates (Paul, Carmelo, Durant), but he doesn&#8217;t seem to get many (enough) MVP points for that.</p>
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		<title>By: davidly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davidly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally get you. Kind of like the old Rheinhold Spence vs. Skibby MaRue arguments when we were coming up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally get you. Kind of like the old Rheinhold Spence vs. Skibby MaRue arguments when we were coming up.</p>
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		<title>By: 1972wasalongtimeago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1972wasalongtimeago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as MVP talk, I&#039;ll guarantee you neither KD nor LBJ cares about it one bit. Give it to Melo. He wants it more. These guys don&#039;t need some sportswriter checking a box with their name on it for validation. The MVP is actually beneath them both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as MVP talk, I&#8217;ll guarantee you neither KD nor LBJ cares about it one bit. Give it to Melo. He wants it more. These guys don&#8217;t need some sportswriter checking a box with their name on it for validation. The MVP is actually beneath them both.</p>
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		<title>By: 1972wasalongtimeago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1972wasalongtimeago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two great teams. Two transcendent players. One day posters on this site will be talking about those LBJ/KD games of the 2010s as the good old days, when the game was played the wright, excuse me, right way. How the stars of tomorrow can&#039;t hold a candle to James or Durant. 

Any fan of the game, not just Mia/OKC fans, have to savor this while we have it. Their rivalry is one they&#039;re going to make documentaries about. And we get to enjoy it now as its playing out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two great teams. Two transcendent players. One day posters on this site will be talking about those LBJ/KD games of the 2010s as the good old days, when the game was played the wright, excuse me, right way. How the stars of tomorrow can&#8217;t hold a candle to James or Durant. </p>
<p>Any fan of the game, not just Mia/OKC fans, have to savor this while we have it. Their rivalry is one they&#8217;re going to make documentaries about. And we get to enjoy it now as its playing out.</p>
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		<title>By: fanofevilempire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fanofevilempire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melo, Durant, LeBron and C. Paul ALL have legit shot at the MVP, a lot if it has to do 
with popularity too. Here is another name for you, Harden and how about Nash if the Lakers
make some noise!

it is only December, 2013 hasn&#039;t even come in.

maybe the Heat and Thunder don&#039;t even make the finals]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melo, Durant, LeBron and C. Paul ALL have legit shot at the MVP, a lot if it has to do<br />
with popularity too. Here is another name for you, Harden and how about Nash if the Lakers<br />
make some noise!</p>
<p>it is only December, 2013 hasn&#8217;t even come in.</p>
<p>maybe the Heat and Thunder don&#8217;t even make the finals</p>
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		<title>By: jm9ulose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jm9ulose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Mr. Hypocrite. You did spell embarrassing wrong. No one is perfect. But be sure to not have any spelling errors the next time you feign being intelligent by looking up words in the dictionary and ranting in a post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mr. Hypocrite. You did spell embarrassing wrong. No one is perfect. But be sure to not have any spelling errors the next time you feign being intelligent by looking up words in the dictionary and ranting in a post.</p>
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		<title>By: davidly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davidly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why so tense, dude?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why so tense, dude?</p>
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		<title>By: redbaronx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[redbaronx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who hired Kurt Helin and when the hell is he going to get fired???? This imbecile keeps making elementary school mistakes:

&quot;Like the protagonist in an action movie, the Heat are going to have to play at a new level to beat the Heat in a series.&quot;

So Kurt &quot;Helen&quot; let me get this straight. The Heat are going to have to play at a new level to beat (the Heat) themselves in a series???  Please PBT. Fire this guy and stop embarressing NBC, and stop contributing to the mental delinquency of all the kids who read his grammatically problematic, and often inaccurate, factually challenged posts. (who can forget the FIVE championships the Bulls won...It&#039;s SIX Kurt in case you haven&#039;t looked that one up yet!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who hired Kurt Helin and when the hell is he going to get fired???? This imbecile keeps making elementary school mistakes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Like the protagonist in an action movie, the Heat are going to have to play at a new level to beat the Heat in a series.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Kurt &#8220;Helen&#8221; let me get this straight. The Heat are going to have to play at a new level to beat (the Heat) themselves in a series???  Please PBT. Fire this guy and stop embarressing NBC, and stop contributing to the mental delinquency of all the kids who read his grammatically problematic, and often inaccurate, factually challenged posts. (who can forget the FIVE championships the Bulls won&#8230;It&#8217;s SIX Kurt in case you haven&#8217;t looked that one up yet!)</p>
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		<title>By: edweird0</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edweird0]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahahahaha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: jerdogthompson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jerdogthompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps you should wait and see what the finals will bring?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should wait and see what the finals will bring?</p>
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		<title>By: zblott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zblott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume you&#039;re referring to the refs flat-out handing this game to the Heat down the stretch. It was almost TOO obvious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume you&#8217;re referring to the refs flat-out handing this game to the Heat down the stretch. It was almost TOO obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: progress2011</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[progress2011]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent display of &quot;TEAM BALL&quot; by both teams

vs

Having one dude always trying to &quot;Take Over&quot; a game by throwing up a bunch of bricks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent display of &#8220;TEAM BALL&#8221; by both teams</p>
<p>vs</p>
<p>Having one dude always trying to &#8220;Take Over&#8221; a game by throwing up a bunch of bricks.</p>
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		<title>By: dko83</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dko83]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That &quot;too friendly&quot; argument is really dumb to begin with and you are absolutely right..  Just a regular season game but you can tell both those guys wanted the win..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;too friendly&#8221; argument is really dumb to begin with and you are absolutely right..  Just a regular season game but you can tell both those guys wanted the win..</p>
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		<title>By: eventhorizon04</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eventhorizon04]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Few Factors working against LeBron: 

1. Durant and Carmelo are playing great, period, and are having arguably the best seasons in their careers.
Durant is averaging 28-8-4, with 52 FG -43 3PT-90 FT shooting 
Carmelo is averaging 28-6-2, with 47 FG-44 3PT-83 FT shooting 

2. LeBron&#039;s numbers are good but &quot;normal&quot; for him, so people aren&#039;t as wowed by him averaging 25-9-7, with a career-high 54% FG, as they would from other players.

3. The Heat&#039;s win-loss record is slightly worse than OKC&#039;s and the Knicks. Also, while LeBron&#039;s team beat Durant&#039;s team tonight, the Heat have lost twice to the Carmelo&#039;s Knicks (though one time Carmelo didn&#039;t play). That factors into MVP decisions.

4. MVP-voter fatigue. I&#039;ve seen multiple journalists in interviews admit that some years they didn&#039;t vote for Michael Jordan for MVP in the 1990&#039;s simply because they were tired of voting for him. In other words, if LeBron and an MVP candidate who has never won an MVP are &quot;tied&quot; at the end of this season, expect people to vote against LeBron since he has already won 3 MVPs. He only wins MVP this year if he has a conclusively better season than the other guys. This trend is nothing new or unique to LeBron, but it works against him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Few Factors working against LeBron: </p>
<p>1. Durant and Carmelo are playing great, period, and are having arguably the best seasons in their careers.<br />
Durant is averaging 28-8-4, with 52 FG -43 3PT-90 FT shooting<br />
Carmelo is averaging 28-6-2, with 47 FG-44 3PT-83 FT shooting </p>
<p>2. LeBron&#8217;s numbers are good but &#8220;normal&#8221; for him, so people aren&#8217;t as wowed by him averaging 25-9-7, with a career-high 54% FG, as they would from other players.</p>
<p>3. The Heat&#8217;s win-loss record is slightly worse than OKC&#8217;s and the Knicks. Also, while LeBron&#8217;s team beat Durant&#8217;s team tonight, the Heat have lost twice to the Carmelo&#8217;s Knicks (though one time Carmelo didn&#8217;t play). That factors into MVP decisions.</p>
<p>4. MVP-voter fatigue. I&#8217;ve seen multiple journalists in interviews admit that some years they didn&#8217;t vote for Michael Jordan for MVP in the 1990&#8242;s simply because they were tired of voting for him. In other words, if LeBron and an MVP candidate who has never won an MVP are &#8220;tied&#8221; at the end of this season, expect people to vote against LeBron since he has already won 3 MVPs. He only wins MVP this year if he has a conclusively better season than the other guys. This trend is nothing new or unique to LeBron, but it works against him.</p>
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		<title>By: eventhorizon04</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eventhorizon04]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great game. 

All the people here who complain about LeBron and Durant training together during the offseason because they think that means these guys are &quot;too friendly&quot; with each other should watch this game. There&#039;s no evidence *on the court* that these guys aren&#039;t competing at 100%, and so long as that&#039;s the case, I don&#039;t care what they do off the court.

Durant regularly drops 30+ points against the Heat, and LeBron regularly comes close to a triple-double against the Thunder, so it&#039;s *impossible* argue that either guy is cutting the other some slack due to their friendship. They&#039;re not friends on the basketball court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great game. </p>
<p>All the people here who complain about LeBron and Durant training together during the offseason because they think that means these guys are &#8220;too friendly&#8221; with each other should watch this game. There&#8217;s no evidence *on the court* that these guys aren&#8217;t competing at 100%, and so long as that&#8217;s the case, I don&#8217;t care what they do off the court.</p>
<p>Durant regularly drops 30+ points against the Heat, and LeBron regularly comes close to a triple-double against the Thunder, so it&#8217;s *impossible* argue that either guy is cutting the other some slack due to their friendship. They&#8217;re not friends on the basketball court.</p>
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		<title>By: captainwisdom8888</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainwisdom8888]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lebron on winning championships with the big 3... &quot;Not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6&quot;  implying they can win more rings than that. Such a ridiculous statement at the time. But im so scared that they might just do it... after watching them handle the Thunder who I think are the most well rounded team in the game. yikes man what can the league possibly do to defeat this megateam other than attempt to stack their own team...a la Los Angeles Lakers

yea im rantin..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lebron on winning championships with the big 3&#8230; &#8220;Not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6&#8243;  implying they can win more rings than that. Such a ridiculous statement at the time. But im so scared that they might just do it&#8230; after watching them handle the Thunder who I think are the most well rounded team in the game. yikes man what can the league possibly do to defeat this megateam other than attempt to stack their own team&#8230;a la Los Angeles Lakers</p>
<p>yea im rantin..</p>
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		<title>By: scalfor3</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scalfor3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lebron is like brady in football. its boring giving him the mvp at this point]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lebron is like brady in football. its boring giving him the mvp at this point</p>
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		<title>By: buffalowned</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buffalowned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maybe this game is what it takes to get lebron on top of the mvp race...seems like the media is set on awarding it to either durant or carmelo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe this game is what it takes to get lebron on top of the mvp race&#8230;seems like the media is set on awarding it to either durant or carmelo</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Wright 212</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Wright 212]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t even say it, I&#039;m sure someone else will say it for me...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t even say it, I&#8217;m sure someone else will say it for me&#8230;</p>
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