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Report: Lakers shoot down trade talks for Gasol from Raptors, Timberwolves

Dec 6, 2012, 10:52 AM EDT

Pau Gasol, JaVale McGee AP

Whatever the reason — because they want to see the entire team together healthy before making a decision, or because they promised Steve Nash he could play with him — the Lakers are not talking about trading Pau Gasol yet.

But other teams are trying to talk to them, and the Lakers are saying turning a deaf ear, reports Ramona Shelburne at ESPNLA.com.

The Los Angeles Lakers, largely at the behest of general manager Mitch Kupchak, have rebuffed trade inquiries from at least two teams for Pau Gasol, according to sources with knowledge of the Lakers’ thinking.

The Toronto Raptors and Minnesota Timberwolves have both recently tried to engage the Lakers in trade discussions for Gasol, sources told ESPN.com, but the Lakers continue to tell teams that call that they will not consider dealing the Spaniard until L.A. can fully assess its roster after the return of injured point guard Steve Nash.

There are plenty of Lakers fans wiling to trade Gasol now. Of course, there were plenty of Lakers fans willing to trade him in the middle of him helping the Lakers win two NBA championships — because he plays a finesse game some fans don’t seem to appreciate what he does well and only see the moments he doesn’t make plays. Which is why it’s good Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant understood him and his value.

But the question of if he and Dwight Howard can fit in the Mike D’Antoni offense is still unanswered. The Lakers — or at least Kupchak — are smart enough to get some answers before making a big move.

  1. raidmagic - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Who the hell would trade for him and that contract? Who is close enough to winning a championship that is missing his skillset? The Raptors nor the T-wolves would benefit from getting him

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM

      ah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      read the story

    • eatitatbothends - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:08 PM

      Amare for Pau straight up.

      D’Antoni & Nash get the PF back they already have had success with. The contracts match up. And the Knicks become favorites in the East.

      I can’t think of another trade that actually makes sense (unless you get into three team deals/deals that don’t benefit anyone but the Lakers).

      • Kurt Helin - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:52 AM

        Just from someone who has talked to Lakers people, there is no way they make that trade. They don’t want Amare’s back and knees.

      • aboogy123456 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:02 AM

        The average fan might look at amare and think he’s a good fit for the lakers because he played well with nash in D’antoni’s offense. I love amar’e but his biggest strength was being a great finisher at the rim, and it’s sad because he can’t do it anymore. And when amar’e can’t finish at the rim anymore, what do you have left?

  2. polarbearsquares - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    You know what I’m tired of?

    I’m tired of dudes like you speaking for Laker fans. Don’t speak for us.

    You want to talk about the game, fine. Talk about Gasol fine. But every story there’s some reference to the stereotypical Laker fan. It’s not fair and its lazy. Its like a crutch you fall back on.

    Again, don’t speak for us. Not all of us want to trade Gasol. Not all of us wanted to trade Gasol. We are not monolithic. To discuss it like we are is inaccurate.

    Every article I read on the Lakers ends with some subjective crap about Laker fans. Find another journalistic crutch. But this one is getting old. I don’t care if you’ve covered the Lakers for a long time. I don’t care if you know some Laker fans. We are not monolithic, we are not clueless about basketball. Some of us are realistic, some of us are actually knowledgable.

    I come here to find out breaking information about the NBA or the Lakers. I don’t come here to read editorials about the nature of Laker fans. An occasional jab here and there is fine. But this is a staple of this site. And maybe that ups hits or comments. But its lazy journalism from a site I expect better from. There have been some really insightful posts on this site that I’m encouraged by, only to be discouraged by some throwaway following graph saying “this doesn’t really matter because Laker fans are clueless anyway.” Sigh.

    • eventhorizon04 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM

      Exact quote from the story – “There are plenty of Lakers fans wiling to trade Gasol now.”

      He’s not saying ALL Lakers fans want to trade Pau. He’s saying there are plenty.

      If you truly don’t think there are a huge number of Lakers fans, bloggers, and beat writers floating the possibilities of a Pau Gasol trade, then you haven’t been reading much.

      Just look at the front page of the SBNation Lakers blog “Silver Screen and Roll.”

      http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/

      I see numerous stories about trading Pau, and I see a ton of “Trade Pau for Josh Smith” / “Trade Pau for a stretch-4 and a wing defender” comments.

      Additionally, read the comments in most Lakers articles here at ProBasketball Talk, and there are usually a couple of fans who float trade possibilities.

      Your team has tried to sell Pau Gasol multiple times – don’t pretend very few Lakers fans have noticed that and would support trading him.

      • badintent - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:32 PM

        @ eventhorizon04 :Preach it brother !
        And as for polarbearsquares, pour some vinegar on your head and toughen up your skin son. We Knicks and my fellow East Coast brothers Celtic and Heat fans take the most crap on this blog and we get up, stand up and continue to jab the needle and twist the knife. Happy Holidays and support the Clippers for a change.

      • polarbearsquares - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        Please distinguish stories about trading Pau from fans who actually want to trade him. Stories on fan sites does not equal a consensus on what fans think and are thinking.

        Please and thank you.

    • davidly - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

      Not all Laker fans fail at either taking the time to read, or reading comprehension either. Either way they can choose to read elsewhere.

    • davidly - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

      Not all Laker fans fail at either taking the time to read, or reading comprehension either. Either way, they can choose to read elsewhere.

    • dko83 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      Welcome to the internet?

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      nice……… ………

    • 00maltliquor - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      @ polarbearsquares

      Thank you! Saved me a lot of time typing!

  3. hoodheisman - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    These rumors are useless unless they include what these teams are offering for Gasol.

    • eventhorizon04 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM

      “The Toronto Raptors and Minnesota Timberwolves have both recently tried to engage the Lakers in trade discussions for Gasol, sources told ESPN.com, but the Lakers continue to tell teams that call that they will not consider dealing the Spaniard until L.A. can fully assess its roster after the return of injured point guard Steve Nash.”

      Sounds like the Lakers shot down talks in the preliminary stage, knowing that if the talks progressed to the point where exact terms were discussed, the media would find out.

  4. pacific123ocean - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Hey Kurt – Can you get us any more information? What players/picks were the Raptor and Timberwolves offering for Gasol?

    • aboogy123456 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:33 PM

      I believe that the raptors would offer a combination or Bargnani, Calderon, and Kleiza, and that the T’Wolves would offer Pekovic, Derrick Williams, and Ridnour. I’m not sure if it’s all three of those players or what. I want lakers to keep pau, but the deal with the Raptors is very interesting.

      • albertmn - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        Why would the Wolves give up three players for a 32 year old? Not saying they wouldn’t. But, if they did, it would undo all of the work they have done to build a complete roster (once everyone is healthy).

  5. mahhelo - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    What laker fan wanted Gasol traded during his first 3 years in LA? That may be the most inaccurate statement I have ever read about the Lakers. Even today, there are very few fans wanting him to be traded. Then to rationalize such a silly statement, the ‘finesse’ card is used. Wow.

    • Kurt Helin - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM

      I live in Los Angeles. I hear talk radio, I go to games and talk to fans. If you don’t think there were fans calling for Gasol to be traded your head was in the sand.

      • dr0pkickram0nes - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:04 PM

        We’ve finally figured out a way to get a Kurt post without a typo! Limit it to three short, concise sentences!

  6. mahhelo - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Kurt, you wrote that Laker fans wanted him traded while they were winning titles – ie his first 3 years here. That is wrong. Traded for who? Since you are so sure this occurred so frequently, there must be one particular trade scenario discussed that you can recall. Please enlighten us sand dwellers.

    • sdlakerfan - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:42 PM

      You’re right mahhelo. We traded the infamous Kwame Brown for Gasol, immediately turned into a title contender and wanted to trade him at the same time? Doesn’t make any sense at all. I must be a sand dweller too.

    • davidly - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM

      The “soft” accusation resonated plenty loud after they lost in the finals. There were plenty of Lakers’ fans who thought Bynum and Odom were enough–or any variation thereof, and that they should deal Pau for another point guard.

      Just for the record: Plenty could mean a hundred out of a thousand. The world doesn’t owe you any links.

      • sdlakerfan - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:58 PM

        Except the year they lost in the finals Bynum was injured mid-season and didn’t play in the playoffs. And besides that, hadn’t blossomed. Why would “plenty” of people say Bynum’s enough when he didn’t even play?

      • davidly - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        @sdlakerfan:
        I didn’t say it was logical. Neither did Kurt. A lot of sports fans have crazy opinions about everything.

        For example: There were plenty of people who didn’t think Gasol was the weak link as far as being able to get past the Celtics was concerned. Just because you and I and others on this site don’t think so does not preclude their existence.

      • davidly - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM

        edit: plenty of people who thought Gasol was the weak link

        Some people think he was the problem vs. the Mavs, failing to admit, one, just how good the Mavs were and, two, the fact that most of the Lakers’ squad pooped just a tiny bit in their big-boy pants in that series.

  7. aboogy123456 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    I think the ideal scenario for the Lakers is that Pau returns to full strength. I’m a huge Pau fan, but his knees looked like they were bothering him the last few games, especially on defense. He was also getting his shot blocked more than I can remember. When healthy I still think Pau, Howard, and Kobe are the best combination of three players in the league, and their skill sets fit very well together. I’m not worried about Pau’s talent or fitting in with the offense, I really am just hoping that his knees are ok after this rest.

  8. musilly - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    I liked what Bill Simmons said to Zach Lowe (who writes for Grantland; best NBA writer, in my opinion) on his lastest podcast: Gasol dominated the low-post in the Olympics against a very good American team. This was when his brother Marc was on the bench. In other words, Gasol is very good as a 5 and the Lakers are asking him to play out of position.

    Waiting for Nash to return in order to see how they mesh is necessary, but the more pressing need, I think, is to figure out ways to get Gasol more minutes at the 5. As was the case when Odom was the team, the Lakers are strange in that their best lineups might not feature their five best guys. It’s a high-quality problem to have–they have two great centers. But it is a problem and I do hope that D’antoni figures out how to make it work for them.

    Gasol’s a fantastic player, way better than his season numbers suggests. As a fan, it’s a shame to watch him mainly shoot 17-foot elbow jumpers when he could do a lot more. I wonder if David Stern would consider a fine…

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:23 PM

      good read………

  9. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Kurt: You are correct in saying that a lot of lakers fans heads are buried. It’s not in the sand though, its in the place that they sit on.

    Thanks for the setup on that one!

    • badintent - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:37 PM

      Yo my brother, lakerluver got a new handle:,fanofevilempire. And here I thought he had finally finished that rehab with Dr. Phil !

  10. loungefly74 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    ultimately…the franchise is above any one player…you do what you have to do to win the title….

  11. fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Laker bashing is very popular right now………….
    will it be in June, who knows………………
    I know the lakers only trail Boston by one for MOST NBA championships………………..

    OH BOY!

  12. thegrey7 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    I wish these stupid Pau to Wolves rumors would end.

  13. Clark Street Sports - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    What about a Gasol and a few first round picks for Josh Smith and Devin Harris. Horford would be able to move to his true position (Power Forward), and at the same time the Hawks would have a few more first round picks while the Lakers would get the perfect Power Forward for Mike D’Antoni system, they’d also have an elite defensive front court, and a backup poing guard so when Nash comes back he doesn’t have to play as many minutes.

  14. joeyashwi - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Any time the Wolves are mentioned in trade talks I get very nervous. There hasn’t been a time when the Wolves haven’t been fleeced in a trade outside of the Mayo for Love deal. I still believe that Williams can be a star in the league. Pekovic is a up and coming big man. Pau is great but he’s getting older. This would make no sense, which knowing the T-Wolves, means it’s indeed what they were offering. Endless rebuilding….

  15. abchome - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    Of course, you don’t sell low!

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