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Report: Lakers promised Nash he could play with Gasol

Dec 6, 2012, 8:01 AM EST

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This much is clear from pretty much every source west of the Mississippi River — the Lakers are not shopping Pau Gasol right now. Despite the wishes of some Lakers fans.

They say they want to see what happens when they get Gasol and Steve Nash healthy at the same time, and pair them with Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard. They say they want to give Mike D’Antoni a full shot with this roster healthy to see if he can make it work. Somewhere Mike Brown just read that sentence and shook his head.

There may be another reason, Ric Bucher of CSNBBayArea.com reported on Sulia.

Ignore any and all trade talk about Pau Gasol because the Lakers landed Steve Nash by promising him he would get to play with Gasol. Nash made it a prerequisite for passing on offers from Toronto and the Knicks that Pau would be around, the source said….

Conceivably, once Nash gets back and actually plays with Gasol, the Lakers could continue to struggle and Nash re-thinks his position. But as of right now, one of the enticements that brought Nash to LA was the big Spaniard and the organization would have much bigger problems than they already have if they backtracked on their promise to keep Gasol in the fold.

There are reports that Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak has warned the Gasol camp that if things don’t work out he could be traded. If it ever gets that far the Lakers are going to find that the market for a 32-year-old making $19 million a year is limited.

But first we have to get that far, and we are a ways away from there

  1. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 AM

    It isn’t going to matter anyway. This team was doomed from the start.

    Notice I took the high road this time and didn’t go for the easy joke. You’re welcome.

    • loungefly74 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:57 AM

      still a long season to play. though…i am pissed about this team right now…

    • jimeejohnson - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:40 PM

      It’s about time.

  2. ericbleedspurple - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    I just want to congratulate Kobe Bryant on reaching the 30k club. I think the Lakers will do fine this season. There are plenty Kobe and Laker haters out there. As far as Gasol I have faith in him. They gave a great team lets just hope the coach can bring them together.

    • danfrommv - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

      I would like to agree. But I think they will be a border line playoff team, and a 1-and-done because of the playoff seeding. This team has to go 41-22 the rest of the way just to get to 50 wins, and I see nothing in their inconsistent play that makes me think it is a foregone conclusion that they will even make it to 50. They have played a home-heavy, lousy-team filled schedule thus far, and they still have a losing record.

  3. barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    The only how you trade Pau is to show Howard that this is really his team going foward and your building around him. However you do that and you will be pissing off Kobe. You still have to give them time to incorporate Nash. However if it still isnt working by the end of the season you are running the risk of making it so pressure packed and toxic in L.A that Howard will bolt to Dallas/ATL to be a big fish in a small pond. He is a mental midget.

  4. omniusprime - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Unfortunately Ancient Nash didn’t seem to promise the Lakers he would be playing. I keep wondering when Nash will return, I hope it’s soon as we need the full roster together to get them gelling. I hope Pau’s tendinitis in both knees heals up very quickly as he is key to the team winning another championship. Go Lakers!!!

  5. mat9844 - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Whether or not they can make a difference will be determined by how much they get the ball. Good luck with that.

  6. magicbucs - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    IF Nash returns this season. If he does he obviously won’t be affective on defense. With a leg fracture his leg is going to fragile and could get injured again. Either way I don’t see the lakers above the 6th spot in the west which will equal to a first round exit = EPIC FAIL

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      do you have the winning #’s for power ball ??

  7. BigBeachBall - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    this combo(with an average supporting cast) could carry most franchises to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

      In the CBA? Look at the West….the top 4 teams(OKC/SA/MEMPHIS/CLIPS) are the deepest and most athletic teams in the league. LA is not deep and woefully unathletic on the perimeter. LA’s hopes is that its offense is beyond potent if not they will have trouble with every team mentioned and defintely aren’t close to OKC. They have done nothing to address their perimeter defense which is their achillees heel and even more of a gigantic problem in the West with 3 of the top 5 PG’s in the NBA.

    • eventhorizon04 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:23 AM

      Nash + Pau 6 years ago, yes.

      Nowadays? Ehhhh….

  8. lakerchuy - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    Kurt… Dude shut up already with the “lakers fans want to trade Gasol” talk. It is was old the minute you started saying it. U don’t know what you are talking about. U are not a Laker fan, don’t act like you know what the fans are thinking!

    • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      Laker fans don’t even know what they are thinking……

    • eventhorizon04 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:20 AM

      1. Kurt is a Lakers fan. He founded the Lakers fanblog “Blue and Gold” in 2004 before being hired by NBC to run ProBasketball Talk.

      2. Every other article here on the Lakers has at least one Lakers fan float the “Pau Gasol for Josh Smith” potential trade. The Lakers have tried trading Pau before, and fans supporting the deal at the time, so don’t pretend Lakers fans love Pau and would never, ever want to see him traded.

      • lakerchuy - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM

        1. Kurt is NOT a Laker fan, he is a Lebron jocker, and he is constantly talking crap about the lakers.

        2. Nobody said the lakers would NEVER want to trade Pau. But nobody is running through the halls screaming it like Kurt constantly suggests. While people get frustrated with Pau’s lack of energy/softness at times, they are too many other things to factor in right now to blame it all on Pau.

  9. musician0785 - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Hilarious to me how 85% of thc comments on this story are non laker fans who only after about 17 games are screaming TOLD YOU SO to everybody within earshot……Miami went 9-8 in its first 17, lakers are 1 game off that pace……no team in the league would win without TWO if its point guards….imagine the clippers if they lost 2 pgs……we’re not even to christmas yet and u trolls are in full force, cant wait til april/may to see if your I TOLD YOU SO’S are as loud as they are now

    • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      And Steve Nash changes their ability to stop PG’s in transition and bolsters their perimeter defense how?

      Whats funny is how idiotic Laker fans throw out all basketball logic and think that the names on the backs of jersey’s is all that matters and will shore up everything.

      Btw don’t compare them to the Heat….they have the best player on the planet.

      • ludachrisgsx - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

        “Btw don’t compare them to the Heat….they have the best player on the planet.”

        And yet, the Heat were still only 9-8 in their first 17 games together with your “best player on the planet”, without the drama of an early season coaching change or an injured key piece of their big 3 puzzle. The point is, it’s too early to judge this Lakers team. But it’s fun watching some of the haters and the naive homers – all rational analysis goes out the window on both sides when the Lakers are being discussed.

        Nash won’t necessarily help them stop PG’s in transition, but he should really help improve the offense and give the coaches time to build chemistry with the players and improve their team defense, giving them a chance to win more of the closer games instead of losing them. The Lakers have won 5 championships since 2000, and in those championship years they always seemed to have trouble with quick point guards, especially the last two. As long as they can improve with low post help rotations they should improve quite a bit more, which is possible with this personell. From what I’ve seen so far this year they look much better defensively down low than they were last year against dribble penetration – they still look bad at times, but when they’re playing well they look awesome.

      • lakerchuy - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:39 PM

        Your right, they do. His name is Kobe Bryant.

      • nlruizjr - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:59 AM

        Amazing it took thier best player about 9 yrs to get one ring, at that rate his 2nd ring may be out of the picture !!!!!

    • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:09 AM

      Btw no team in the league would win with Steve Blake….even the Lakers…thats why they traded for Nash….homers kill me.

      • lakerchuy - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:10 PM

        While I am one of the biggest steve blake non-supporters, I have to admit he was playing pretty good til he got hurt. We will see what happens after he gets his ovaries fixed.

  10. magicbucs - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    At bigbeachball… The lakers wish they had an avg supporting cast. Their bench gets outscored by most other team benches. Look at the box scores bro

  11. sportsnut101 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Why the lakers think they can get anyone. How bout the reporters look at it from the other team side. Why would I trade for gasol with bad knee now n the lakers have no first round pick

    Did they really think could get Anderson from hornets he’s only 24 n gasol 32 hmm that seems fair. Cuz hornets ready to win now right

    Why even offer a lot for gasol. If the lakers have to move it they have to take any ok deal. Come on teams don’t ruin ur own team

    If I was timberwolves I would not trade Williams n pelovic Pelovic plays well n yes Williams not good right now. But neither was Kevin love his first 2 yrs if u remember. So have love work with Williams

  12. musician0785 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM

    if my team were florida teams, id be a hater too

  13. sdlakerfan - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    I find it hard to believe that a promise to Nash that he gets to play with Gasol is going to derail the Lakers trying to do what is best for the team. The article seems silly. Loyalty to a co-workers desire to work with another co-worker is secondary to the business doing what is best for the business.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM

      but they promised…………………………..

      this is funny…………………………….

  14. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    One huge difference between the lakers and the heat that you laker fans live to omit: AGE!

    The heat put together 3 guys that had yet to see 30.

    L.A. Has Kobe @34 Gasol @32 Peace @34 and Nash @39.

    Nash can’t stay healthy, Paus knees are bad. Peace and Kobe have lost steps defensively.
    They are an old team playing a young man’s game. Howard is the only young guy and he has back issues.

    I Dont know how you lakers fans are surprised.

    They may turn it around regular season record wise, but in a series, they will get run off the court by the younger athletic teams.
    4/5 starters 32 and up is a recipe for an early exit in the playoffs, especially when they have to play major minutes due to an atrocious bench.

    • loungefly74 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:59 AM

      well…Vegas had this team winning 60+ games…Vegas is not in the business to lose money…so its not a shocker that many expected them to do very well.

      the optimists says plenty of time to jell…

      • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:52 PM

        Vegas puts out a number to spark action. They know exactly what they are doing….a bunch of Laker idiots jumped on that number…Vegas will walk away laughing now.

      • loungefly74 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:09 PM

        no…no…most people would have placed the bet on the under.
        wait a sec…did you really think bettors would take the “over” on that?
        with that said…have you been to Vegas?
        holy crap…im arguing with a child who doesn’t know squat.
        thank you, barkley4life…for wasting my time…sheesh. know your sh*t when you respond.

      • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:21 PM

        Moron I lived in Vegas for 8 years I was stationed there. Dont tell me about action lol I bet Bucks Bobcats…..

      • loungefly74 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:40 AM

        stationed there? oh…in the service..eh? yeah…a majority are dropouts and losers…you are one, i bet. Go F’ yourself…and your mother, ya commie.

    • sdlakerfan - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      Good points in comparisons to the Heat.

      If you take Nash out of the equation, last year Boston had 3 guys older than the other 3 Lakers you mentioned in Pierce, KG, and Allen and managed to push a great Heat team to 7 games in the ECF. The games generally tend to slow down in the playoffs. Agree they need more bench production – Meeks, Ebanks or one of the PGs playing need to step it up. At least they have some size, defense, and hustle off the bench in Jordan Hill. Too early to count out a team that hasn’t jelled just because of their age.

      • barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:50 PM

        Way to leave out that almost 5 games the Heat were without Bosh…I mean don’t let that little thing stop your theory.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM

      so ALL the other players are getting younger and ALL Laker player are getting older…….
      I heard the Lakers just ordered walking sticks for Howard, he’s getting old………………..

    • ludachrisgsx - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:27 PM

      What were the ages of the Bulls team in 97? Here I’ll help – Jordan was 34, Pippen was 31, Kerr was 31, Rodman was 35, Harper was 33, How about the Celtics when they won it all a few years back? Most of their important players were over 30.

      It’s not that age doesn’t matter, the Lakers aren’t young. It’s just that this team isn’t as old as everyone makes them out to be (outside of Nash) when comparing them to other championship teams. And Nash hasn’t had that many missed games due to not being healthy over the last few seasons. Pau doesn’t have a history of bad knees, but he hasn’t rested them enough over the last few years in the offseason like he should have been.

      The Heat are definitely in a better situation going forward, but it remains to be seen how long that core can be kept together once extensions are due. It still is significant that the Heat didn’t play well early on either. It was a different situation, but it still goes to show that teams with complimentary stars don’t always mesh quickly. The Lakers haters hope this team will never mesh, but chances are good that they’ll get it together and do pretty well. We’ll see if they can avoid major injuries.

  15. musician0785 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    i guess u think Shane Battier, mike Miller, and Udonis Haslem are spring chickens

    • kinggw - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:35 PM

      They aren’t spring chickens, but they are also not expected to be major contributors. Big difference between having a 30+ role player versus a 30+ starter. No matter how you slice it this Laker team is not that similar to the Heat from two seasons ago.

  16. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    sdlaker. The difference is that Doc has a system in place to control his older players minutes. They also did and still have a much better bench than the lakers.

    I’m not saying they aren’t a playoff team, I’m saying they don’t get out of the 2nd round.

    lounge: Going to keep trotting the odds out there, huh? I STILL don’t think you understand what betting lines are for and what a sportsbook is trying to accomplish.
    You do realize, that to get to just 60 wins, as of right now, they’d have to 51-12, right?
    Who cares what the line was on wins? It doesn’t take outside factors into account.

    Even healthy, this team wasn’t a 60 win team. Regardless, they will get run out of the building by the younger, deeper teams.
    Kobe is done at 5 rings.

    • loungefly74 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:15 PM

      my point is…most would take the “under” on 60+ games…

      it does mean something PH…i know you hate them…and yes, they are floundering…but that didn’t mean they were going to be bad. i have been to vegas sevral times…actually, did most of my betting when in Tahoe or Reno…i know what odds are about.

    • ludachrisgsx - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:32 PM

      Look at the stats for Boston in their championship year – Pierce averaged over 37 MPG, Allen 35, and Garnett over 31. It’s not like they were resting all that much more, even if their bench was better.

  17. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    fan & musician:
    Come on guys! All you have to do is look at the rosters of the other conference teams. Look at Memphis, Denver, Oklahoma City and right in your backyard with the Clippers.
    All their skill players, the main guys, are all under 30, in some cases way under. Randolph in Memphis and Crawford with the Clips being the exceptions.

    The Lakers roster, starting lineup wise averages 33 years old. Jamison is 36, Blake is getting up there.

    Yes other teams ARE younger, more athletic than the lakers. They also have better and deeper benches.
    Contrary to the belief in lakerland, benches DO go 9-10 deep in the playoffs. Depth does matter.
    This laker team was built to fail from the get go. old and no depth =early playoff exit. Any deep, uptempo team will bury these guys in a series.

    • loungefly74 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:22 PM

      we will see…we will see. thats why they play them.

    • musician0785 - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM

      @paulhargis
      this youth argument you have going is a myth…..young teams dont advance in the playoffs and if they do they dont win it, see: memphis, clippers, 6ers…..OLD TEAMS full of veteran players win NBA titles, see: MIA over OKC, DAL over MIA, Celtics over the lakers in 2008, LAL over the magic in 2009….need i continue? so u can knock it off with the they’re too old thing, its getting kinda…..old. Secondly, Shane Battier and udonis haslem to my knowledge are/were starters..so since when werent starters major contributors?

  18. mogogo1 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Every time the talk of moving Gasol comes up, the answer is always the same: They’d never get anybody of equal value in return, making it stupid to move him. Gasol would have value to a team who’s a piece away from contending for a title, but that’s a short list and none of those teams would give up a core player to get him. For the lower-tier teams, Gasol is only a good option if they could get him for a steal because he’s not the sort of guy you can really use as centerpiece in rebuilding a team.

    • lakerchuy - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:19 PM

      Which is EXACTLY why I’m SICK of hearing Kurt say Laker fans are always screaming to ship out Gasol! He is to valuable to make a rash decision, when the team hasn’t even had a chance to really play together. Even though we want wins now, we know we haven’t gotten a sense of what the team is going to look like by the time all star break rolls around..

  19. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    luda: I see where you are trying to go in comparison to the 08 Celtics. It just doesn’t wash though.
    Allen was 33 that year. Pierce and Garnett 31. Everyone I mentioned outside of Gasol and Howard are older than Allen.

    Perkins 24, BigBaby22, Rondo 22 Tony Allen 26. The Lakers youth is not there, what is is borderline.
    When Healthy, 2 of the best 3 guys off the bench are in their 30s also, Hill has to be pushing 30 too.(not sure of his age).

    This team, as assembled has pieces that don’t fit, Gasol will not bring equal value in return. It’s old. Bring in more age off the bench(which is d league level at best).

    It’s pooy constructed and not built to keep up with the more athletic WC teams.

    It’s not hate, I don’t hate the lakers. It’s some of the fans I detest.
    I’m just being a realist. A lot of lakers fan dont know the meaning of that word.

    • nlruizjr - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:30 AM

      Paul, I know that the Lakers are at a disadvantage age wise but being in your 30’s does not make you old and the system that D’Antoni is pushing requires more ball movement than player movement, they just have to know what spots to move to, to get open looks and that has nothing to do with age and even young players can keep up with tactical ball movement and Miami isn’t really a young team and as far as the Lakers losing to OKC, if it weren’t for a few TO’s, OKC could have been watching the playoffs at home, so I wouldn’t call the Lakers out of it so quickly, (Dallas is proof of that !!)

  20. musician0785 - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    @paulhargis
    this youth argument you have going is a myth…..young teams dont advance in the playoffs and if they do they dont win it, see: memphis, clippers, 6ers…..OLD TEAMS full of veteran players win NBA titles, see: MIA over OKC, DAL over MIA, Celtics over the lakers in 2008, LAL over the magic in 2009….need i continue? so u can knock it off with the their too old thing, it getting kinda…..old. Secondly, Shane Battier and udonis haslem to my knowledge are/were starters..so since when werent starters major contributors?

  21. paulhargis53 - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    You keep telling yourself that age trumps youth.
    6 out of the 1st 9 in the lakers rotation are 30 and over.
    The thing you aren’t getting is that the teams you mentioned had QUALITY depth.
    lakers age + d league depth = early exit.
    OKC had zero trouble with LA last year.

    They WILL get run out of the building.

    • loungefly74 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:58 AM

      PH…you may be right. and IF you are…i’m sure the Lakers will retool that roster. there’s always a way to fix things…just like the C’s do what they need to do to stay relevant.

      no doubt…its a Heat/Thunder era right now…but believe me, the old dogs will do what they can to shorten that reign…

  22. barkley4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Paul hits it on the head….youth in reserves or key spots is key. Yes you need vets…think the Spurs didnt this 5th wind for another chance on the ancient legs of Duncan without Splitter Green and Leonard? Throw in Gary Neal as well.

    Defensively age is a number that cant be overcome especially in transition defense.

    Basketball 101 is penetration breaks down any defense. The Lakers are horrid on the perimeter. The other night Toney Douglas looked like he NBA Jam turbo on at the end of the game. Mike Conley went to town on the Lakers probing for the top of the key and off pick and rolls. Even a second tier PG like George Hill got the corner on a pick and roll and you saw what happened.

    But again Laker fans dont let basketball sense get in the way of fantasy land.

    Homers kill me.

    • loungefly74 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:54 AM

      yeah…yeah…because the Lakers just have a horrible track record…sure…they NEVER do anything…the Lakers can never seem to get it right…so what that they represented the West only 7 times since 2000…

      Do you here yourself? Look at you, ya damn loser. for cryin’ out loud, “Barkley4Life”? Barkley didnt win jack in his career yet here you are spewing your filth about winning. The irony. its like a sewage worker telling a model “no thanks” because he is worried about her hygiene.

      at some point, ya gotta realize all you do is contribute NOTHING. if you hate the Lakers, stop posting on their articles, ya dumbf*ck. you must like torturing yourself by contributing A LOT of your time to a team you hate, you F’ing loser. and thats the thing, you won’t get it. you like being miserable. how about for once you just comment on your teams…oh but no…you “get off’ on this S&M fantasy…hey, what are you doing around here anyway, i thought i told you to go F’ your mother?

      ahhh…feeling a lil chipper today…

      • barkley4life - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM

        Awww, we have an internet tough guy ladies and gentleman…..

        Round of applause….everyone gather around and see the use of your mom comebacks and hater remarks….

        Mommy Mommy the bad man said something about my team….

      • loungefly74 - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM

        please child…been on this site waaay longer than you. you are a sh*t stain. ya dumba$$. and hey, why are you talking, i thought i told you to go f*#k your mother?

  23. barkley4life - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:19 AM

    Awww this is the Gold Rush, how do we lay claim to your territory lol

    I been on here since blah blah blah

    Wow….epitome of an Internet troll.

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