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	<title>Comments on: Winderman: Trying to make sense of rookie contract extensions</title>
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		<title>By: tcclark</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;ll tell you, Holiday had a bad shooting night last night and still had a better game than Lawson.  Double double with six boards and 2 steals.  I&#039;ll take that at 10 million.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll tell you, Holiday had a bad shooting night last night and still had a better game than Lawson.  Double double with six boards and 2 steals.  I&#8217;ll take that at 10 million.</p>
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		<title>By: tcclark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tcclark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They beat Ty Lawson&#039;s Nuggets last night too without Bynum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They beat Ty Lawson&#8217;s Nuggets last night too without Bynum</p>
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		<title>By: tcclark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tcclark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sure it can.  A hard salary cap keeps them from resigning players over the cap, thus not allowing them to sign for whatever the owners are willing to pay them.  Unfortunately we almost missed a season and we still don&#039;t have a hard salary cap]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure it can.  A hard salary cap keeps them from resigning players over the cap, thus not allowing them to sign for whatever the owners are willing to pay them.  Unfortunately we almost missed a season and we still don&#8217;t have a hard salary cap</p>
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		<title>By: pglive21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pglive21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right that I didn&#039;t give enough merit to his on ball defensive skills.  They&#039;re impressive.  He&#039;s one of the better defensive guards in the league.  Not elite, but definitely considerably better than average.  

I didn&#039;t say I&#039;d let him walk.  What I&#039;m saying is that by tying up $41 million to Jrue Holiday and a max contract in Bynum, the Sixers have hamstrung themselves and lowered their potential ceiling.  I definitely do not think he would have been paid more than $41 million over 4 years by anyone other than bottom feeders who felt they needed to make a splash to tide over their fans.  I&#039;m not sure why you keep bringing up Ridnour, I can&#039;t see how he&#039;s relevant at all to this discussion.  

He&#039;s started nearly 200 games.  He can definitely get better, but if you haven&#039;t seen signs of an elite point guard yet, he&#039;s not going to get there.  An league average starter at point guard should probably run about $5 million a year.  Saying Holiday is worth close to $7 million a year isn&#039;t an insult, it&#039;s just pointing out that while he&#039;s good, he&#039;s not great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that I didn&#8217;t give enough merit to his on ball defensive skills.  They&#8217;re impressive.  He&#8217;s one of the better defensive guards in the league.  Not elite, but definitely considerably better than average.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I&#8217;d let him walk.  What I&#8217;m saying is that by tying up $41 million to Jrue Holiday and a max contract in Bynum, the Sixers have hamstrung themselves and lowered their potential ceiling.  I definitely do not think he would have been paid more than $41 million over 4 years by anyone other than bottom feeders who felt they needed to make a splash to tide over their fans.  I&#8217;m not sure why you keep bringing up Ridnour, I can&#8217;t see how he&#8217;s relevant at all to this discussion.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s started nearly 200 games.  He can definitely get better, but if you haven&#8217;t seen signs of an elite point guard yet, he&#8217;s not going to get there.  An league average starter at point guard should probably run about $5 million a year.  Saying Holiday is worth close to $7 million a year isn&#8217;t an insult, it&#8217;s just pointing out that while he&#8217;s good, he&#8217;s not great.</p>
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		<title>By: eagles512</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eagles512]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think holiday and Lawson are close now but holiday has much more upside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think holiday and Lawson are close now but holiday has much more upside.</p>
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		<title>By: 00maltliquor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[00maltliquor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 21:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trade you Steve Blake and his $4 mil for Luke Ridnour and his $4 mil. I&#039;ll even throw in some movie tickets and a large bucket of popcorn! Whadaya say?...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade you Steve Blake and his $4 mil for Luke Ridnour and his $4 mil. I&#8217;ll even throw in some movie tickets and a large bucket of popcorn! Whadaya say?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zerole00</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zerole00]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The CBA can&#039;t fix stupid owners. They&#039;ll continue shoot themselves in the foot with contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBA can&#8217;t fix stupid owners. They&#8217;ll continue shoot themselves in the foot with contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: thesixersbench</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thesixersbench]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta admit...while I think DeMar has talent, I definitely raised an eyebrow when I saw that contract.

The move that hurts the most - I think - won&#039;t be DeMar&#039;s contract..it&#039;ll be Landry Fields.  Yikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta admit&#8230;while I think DeMar has talent, I definitely raised an eyebrow when I saw that contract.</p>
<p>The move that hurts the most &#8211; I think &#8211; won&#8217;t be DeMar&#8217;s contract..it&#8217;ll be Landry Fields.  Yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: teedraper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[teedraper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Winderwoman shut up. What kind of &quot;man&quot; compliant about the money another &quot;man&quot; makes. Child please.

U mad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winderwoman shut up. What kind of &#8220;man&#8221; compliant about the money another &#8220;man&#8221; makes. Child please.</p>
<p>U mad?</p>
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		<title>By: torontofalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[torontofalcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This guy is a moron jrue is an underrated player and so is demar, if they were in La, Boston or Mia you wouldnt stop talking about them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy is a moron jrue is an underrated player and so is demar, if they were in La, Boston or Mia you wouldnt stop talking about them.</p>
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		<title>By: thesixersbench</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thesixersbench]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Word.  I am very pleased with this contract.  Long-term, it will work out kindly for the Sixers and their cap management - in spite of Mr. Winderman&#039;s confused pleas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word.  I am very pleased with this contract.  Long-term, it will work out kindly for the Sixers and their cap management &#8211; in spite of Mr. Winderman&#8217;s confused pleas.</p>
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		<title>By: liamj55</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[liamj55]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t Jrue Holliday&#039;s Sixers beat Taj Gibson&#039;s Bulls in the playoffs????????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Jrue Holliday&#8217;s Sixers beat Taj Gibson&#8217;s Bulls in the playoffs????????</p>
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		<title>By: thesixersbench</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thesixersbench]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Please, their post season would have been over in 5 games if D. Rose hadn’t blown his ACL.&quot;

Moot point.  It DID happen and then they pushed a very good Celtics team to 7.  That&#039;s more than most of the East could&#039;ve done.  

&quot;Holiday is a mediocre point guard who will get better, but he’ll never be a game changer. He doesn’t do a single thing at an elite level.&quot;


I&#039;m guessing you agree with Mr. Winderman and would rather let him walk.  Excellent strategy.  Let&#039;s get Mr. Ridnour&#039;s agent on the phone and sell him to the fans.

He&#039;s 22 years-old (June), has only started at the point for two full seasons and has never played PG before the NBA.  

Despite all of that, he has made leaps and bounds every year - showing last year in the playoffs, on the league&#039;s biggest stage ( despite Mr. Winderman&#039;s claims) that he has the skills to be a difference maker in this league.  If you watched that Celtics series and DIDN&#039;T think he was one of the best players on the court...well, you didn&#039;t watch very closely.

But yes, you make very good points.  

And if you want an elite skill....his on-ball defense is spectacular.  Better than every guard mentioned above except Harden.  But you&#039;d actually have to watch him to notice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Please, their post season would have been over in 5 games if D. Rose hadn’t blown his ACL.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moot point.  It DID happen and then they pushed a very good Celtics team to 7.  That&#8217;s more than most of the East could&#8217;ve done.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Holiday is a mediocre point guard who will get better, but he’ll never be a game changer. He doesn’t do a single thing at an elite level.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing you agree with Mr. Winderman and would rather let him walk.  Excellent strategy.  Let&#8217;s get Mr. Ridnour&#8217;s agent on the phone and sell him to the fans.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s 22 years-old (June), has only started at the point for two full seasons and has never played PG before the NBA.  </p>
<p>Despite all of that, he has made leaps and bounds every year &#8211; showing last year in the playoffs, on the league&#8217;s biggest stage ( despite Mr. Winderman&#8217;s claims) that he has the skills to be a difference maker in this league.  If you watched that Celtics series and DIDN&#8217;T think he was one of the best players on the court&#8230;well, you didn&#8217;t watch very closely.</p>
<p>But yes, you make very good points.  </p>
<p>And if you want an elite skill&#8230;.his on-ball defense is spectacular.  Better than every guard mentioned above except Harden.  But you&#8217;d actually have to watch him to notice.</p>
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		<title>By: trschlicht</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trschlicht]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ridnour making $4 mil a year is not really a bargain in my mind as a TWolves fan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridnour making $4 mil a year is not really a bargain in my mind as a TWolves fan.</p>
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		<title>By: jucam1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jucam1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that you think the Holiday extension is inflated and that he isn&#039;t worth it tells me and the rest of the public how little you have watched him play.... It&#039;s fine, you&#039;re not the first writer that isn&#039;t fully versed in his craft, but was hoping for a bit more.... Holiday is about to break out and then you can see that this contract is gonna be super team friendly...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you think the Holiday extension is inflated and that he isn&#8217;t worth it tells me and the rest of the public how little you have watched him play&#8230;. It&#8217;s fine, you&#8217;re not the first writer that isn&#8217;t fully versed in his craft, but was hoping for a bit more&#8230;. Holiday is about to break out and then you can see that this contract is gonna be super team friendly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pglive21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pglive21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please, their post season would have been over in 5 games if D. Rose hadn&#039;t blown his ACL.  Holiday is a mediocre point guard who will get better, but he&#039;ll never be a game changer.  He doesn&#039;t do a single thing at an elite level.  Curry can shoot from any range at an elite level.  Ty Lawson drives into the lane more than anyone in the league.  Think of Holiday&#039;s ceiling as a poor man&#039;s Terrell Brandon and you&#039;d figure out that he&#039;s probably worth closer $7 million/year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, their post season would have been over in 5 games if D. Rose hadn&#8217;t blown his ACL.  Holiday is a mediocre point guard who will get better, but he&#8217;ll never be a game changer.  He doesn&#8217;t do a single thing at an elite level.  Curry can shoot from any range at an elite level.  Ty Lawson drives into the lane more than anyone in the league.  Think of Holiday&#8217;s ceiling as a poor man&#8217;s Terrell Brandon and you&#8217;d figure out that he&#8217;s probably worth closer $7 million/year.</p>
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		<title>By: 00maltliquor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[00maltliquor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every last one of those mentioned contracts is a head scratcher. Seems like more players are getting paid more money then ever before with this new CBA. Doesn&#039;t make sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every last one of those mentioned contracts is a head scratcher. Seems like more players are getting paid more money then ever before with this new CBA. Doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: thesixersbench</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thesixersbench]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For that matter, more per season for DeRozan and Holiday than Taj Gibson, a player who actually has helped drive his team deep into the playoffs, even if as a reserve?&quot;

I guess running the point and averaging 38 MPG, 16, 5 and 5 while shooting 40% from 3 for a team that pushed the Celts to Game 7 of Round 2 doesn&#039;t count.  (Not to mention a steal and a half per game - he&#039;s awesome defensively)

What a clown.  If this guy was a GM, his philosophy would lead to a backcourt of Luke Ridnour and Jordan Crawford.  &quot;They might not get us any wins...But what a deal these two are!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For that matter, more per season for DeRozan and Holiday than Taj Gibson, a player who actually has helped drive his team deep into the playoffs, even if as a reserve?&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess running the point and averaging 38 MPG, 16, 5 and 5 while shooting 40% from 3 for a team that pushed the Celts to Game 7 of Round 2 doesn&#8217;t count.  (Not to mention a steal and a half per game &#8211; he&#8217;s awesome defensively)</p>
<p>What a clown.  If this guy was a GM, his philosophy would lead to a backcourt of Luke Ridnour and Jordan Crawford.  &#8220;They might not get us any wins&#8230;But what a deal these two are!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: therealroman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therealroman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Derozan is gonna be a very, very good player. I think that contract is a big gamble, but the bank doesn&#039;t always win the game, you can too. If he works hard (especially on his shot and his D), and utilizes his potential, he could be special.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Derozan is gonna be a very, very good player. I think that contract is a big gamble, but the bank doesn&#8217;t always win the game, you can too. If he works hard (especially on his shot and his D), and utilizes his potential, he could be special.</p>
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