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Some things never change: Shaq, Howard still feuding

Oct 4, 2012, 7:54 PM EDT

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New city, same story.

Dwight Howard is now with the Lakers but that hasn’t changed Shaquille’s O’Neal’s feelings about him. Shaq doesn’t like him. Maybe it’s the silly Superman thing, maybe it’s that Dwight took the mantle from Shaq as best center in the game as Shaq’s career wound down, but they don’t get along.

So this time it started with Shaq spouting off to ESPNNewYork.com.

“Dwight Howard, who’s a pick-and-roll player, some people say he’s the best center in the league, but me being an old-school center, I’m going to go with Robin Lopez and Andrew Bynum because they play with their back to the basket.”

Robin Lopez? Sideshow Bob Lopez?

“Brook. Same thing. They’re brothers.”

That is your highly paid, widely watched NBA television analyst everybody. Shaq added:

“Like if you want to go to go to flash and dunking and the pick and roll, you gotta go with Dwight Howard. But me, the last true original dundaughta (slang for big timer), I’m going with Andrew Bynum and which Lopez? Brook. Brook Lopez.”

Did Shaq just complain about Howard dunking too much? Pot, meet kettle. Also, I’m not sure a true center should be bad at the pick and roll… oh, why bother. There is no logic, it’s just personal.

Anyway, after Lakers practice on Thursday Dwight Howard fired back. Via the Los Angeles Times.

“I don’t care what Shaq says,” Howard said flatly after Lakers practice Thursday. “Shaq played the game and he is done. It’s time to move on. He hated the fact when he played that older guys were talking about him and how he played. Now he’s doing the exact same thing. Just let it go. There’s no sense for him to be talking trash to me. He did his thing in the league. Sit back and relax. Your time is up.”

So, Shaq’s Laker jersey retirement April 2, that should be fun.

Just to try and use some fact’s in this debate: Last season Dwight Howard got 57.5 percent of his possessions in the post, just 8.9 percent as role man on the pick-and-role. After the post, his second highest ways of getting a shot was off an offensive rebound (12 percent). Shaq had moves in the post, but anyone who has watched Howard in the past three years knows he has developed jump hooks and some counter moves to get good looks.

And the dunk remains the most efficient shot in basketball. If Howard gets five a game, that’s good for the Lakers.

Can we move on from this silly Hatfields vs. McCoys feud now?

  1. talkingfan - Oct 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    shaq u r acting VERY small, chill dude!!!!

  2. dondada10 - Oct 4, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Shaq didn’t say dundaughta. He said dondada. He’s used it several times in his career.

    • thebigcaptain2011 - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM

      Dondada gets Nada.

  3. miamatt - Oct 4, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    Mybe it’s that D12 couldn’t carry Shaq’s jock. Being the best center in the game doesn’t mean what it did when Kazaam burst onto the scene.

  4. urodaddy07 - Oct 4, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Although Shaq does sound a bit petulant, he does accurately point out how deficient Howard is offensively. Good defenses will defend the pick and roll well and deny those easy dunks. He needs to widen his offensive repertoire or he will be irrelevant in 2 years when he can no longer jump over everybody. He cannot, in my opinion, be compared to Shaq and is not even in earshot of a discussion about greatest of all time. For me, Bynum is a better player (not by a wide margin – but better), when he turns up. Don’t get me wrong, I think Howard is a better fit for LA because he will work harder, is more athletic and a more consistent defensive presence, but he is a very incomplete center.

    • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM

      while we all want or bigs to have the skills of hakeem the dream, or our wing players to have the skills of mj, let’s be real.

      if you were to put the offensive numbers of brook lopez, bynum and dwight side by side, you can’t tell me just from looking at the offensive stats alone, that you can point out who the offensively deficient player is. the fact of the matter is, dwight gets it done. in fact, the premise of dwight having limited skills in the post, and STILL being able to get 20 points a night and earning the title ‘best cnter in the game’ speaks volumes to his will to get it done. he came into this game as a high schooler and quickly ascended and even carried the magic to the finals with no other all stars to take his shine away. he was an anchor. please, i would only have a problem with dwight if he couldn’t find ways to dunk the ball. he finds ways to score and i’m fine with that.

      • camnellum12 - Oct 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM

        In 2009, Rashard Lewis and Jameer Nelson were All-Stars. Both players have fell off tremendously, but he had a squad for the 2008-2009 season.

  5. raider2124 - Oct 4, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    It’s don data a’s an earlier poster stated. Song by supercat in the 90’s

  6. urodaddy07 - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    the song was “Don Dadda” by Supercat. Not “Don Data”. “Don Dadda” is a term we Jamaicans use to describe a man of considerable importance – even if a little shady. It’s no longer a hip term really, so you won’t find Jamaicans referring to themselves as “Don Dadda” these days.

    • stayhigh_247 - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:48 PM

      Don Dada, but thanks for pointing that out.

      • dondada10 - Oct 5, 2012 at 4:03 PM

        And well-know Jamaican Biggie Smalls used it in his song when he referred to himself as “The rap phenomenon Don Dada.”

        Also, in a Slam Magazine article, Shaq said that Kobe had to take the back-seat because he was the Don Dada.

  7. michaeljordanseviltwin - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Yous a stupid bitch, Shaquille O’Neal

    • mbhcu98 - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:41 PM

      And youuuu?

  8. lakerluver - Oct 4, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    I love Shaq for helping the LAKERS win 3 titles but I’m sick of his petty BS regarding Dwight. What’s behind all this, besides Shaq’s own insecurity? I’ve never heard Dwight make any type of disparaging remarks about Shaq. Nor do I recall Kareem bad mouthing Shaq when he became the next great LAKERS center after Jabbar. Kobe was labeled a bad teammate and selfish when he and Shaq were leading the LAKERS. However, I’ve always felt it was the other way around. Just because a guy is jovial and personable does not mean he’s a good teammate. Shaq is coming off as a bitter, envious, petty ex-player. He bashed Kobe until Kobe passed him by in rings. He bashed Bosh by comparing him to Rupaul. Now he’s bashing Dwight. You would think with all he’s accomplished he wouldn’t have a need to be so petty and vindictive. Dwight and Shaq’s styles of play are totally different. Shaq was just too physically dominant in his heyday for anyone to contain. But Dwight’s a great player in his own right. Dwight’s off court personality is similar to Shaq’s. But I bet Kobe won’t have to beg Dwight to come to camp in shape like he did with Shaq’s fat a$$. Dwight hasn’t played in months but judging by his body you can’t tell. If Shaq had to have the surgery Dwight had he probably wouldn’t be ready to play until December, would weigh 350lbs, and wouldn’t be in halfway decent shape until May. I’ll be glad when they hang his jersey from the rafters. Maybe then he’ll just go away and leave the LAKERS alone.

  9. mbhcu98 - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:42 PM

    Howard is a good center. Shaq was so much better than good. Shaq should shut up tho. DH is still a child. Very mentally weak.

    • 6thsense79 - Oct 5, 2012 at 11:56 AM

      Howard is not merely a good center. He’s a Franchise center who is as dominate on the defensive end as almost any big man in the past 30 years. Shaq was a more dominate odfensive force but Howard is a more dominant defender and rebounder. Howard averaged 22 points 14+ rebounds and 2.5 blocks per game the past two seasons. If that’s merely good then I’m not sure what dominant is. He’s also lead a team to the NBA finals as the hands down best player. Criticize him for being wishy washy. A whiner. Whatever. But not acknowledging his dominance when your eyes and his stats confirm it is kind of small.

      • camnellum12 - Oct 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM

        Dwight averaged 20.6 PPG last season. And another bad thing about Howard is that he folds in the 4th quarter. Statistically, he was the 3rd best closer on that Orlando Magic team. He is one of the better defenders in the last 25 years, but he can’t seal the deal, nor plays with a chip on his shoulder.

  10. fotydaze - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    Shaq criticizing D12 about his offensive game when he was an offensive liability 3 feet from the basket is laughable. I’m sure Hakeem is chuckling also…

    • passerby23 - Oct 5, 2012 at 12:05 AM

      While I agree with Dwight on this one, look at Shaq’s career numbers. He didn’t need to step outside of 3 feet. The fact that you knew exactly what he was going to do and still couldn’t stop him made him a force unlike any other.

  11. stayhigh_247 - Oct 4, 2012 at 11:51 PM

    Nice response Dwight, you nailed it. Shaq needs to enjoy all of his riches and championships instead of hating on Dwight. Fronting like he respects the Lopez brothers, c’mon no ones buying it. I respect Drews game but not his mentality, but he does have some ol skool in his game.

  12. 00maltliquor - Oct 5, 2012 at 12:43 AM

    Love the part where Kurt spells Don Dada “dundaughta”, then preceds to try to school his readers on what it means…epic! lol!

  13. manchestermiracle - Oct 5, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Is O’Neill trying to motivate Howard or is he still just being a dick? Even though he got three rings with the Lakers he sure acts like he has no respect for the organization. The Lakers should move O’Neill jersey retirement up one day because Shaq’s acting the fool. Brook Lopez?

  14. jordanismyidol - Oct 5, 2012 at 3:36 AM

    Howard is a beast but still overrated

  15. omniusprime - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Silly Shaq, he should be touched that Howard is traveling the same path Shaq did, from the Tragic to the Lakers. Hopefully Howard won’t go to Miami. All I can say is eat your hearts out Tragic fans, look at what a great team Howard is on now baby! Go Lakers!!!

    • eerock41 - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      you can have the cry baby. and by the way lakers thanks for paying the salaries for all the other players on other teams for years to come.

  16. gepsep - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Shaq may be crazy in this one. But he will be the only, original Superman…not talking about the movie.

    • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 5:44 PM

      the crazy thing is shaq used the name superman to describe his physique, power and the way he was the man on his team.
      dwight got the name superman because of his leaping ability, in the dunk contest. two completely different usages, and i even think dwight was given that name. i could be wrong, but shaq named himself superman, and dwight got the nickname from kenny smith. and i like that dwight earned it at least, because of his hops and the cape. he actually played the part! it was a prop thing, but still, it wasn’t like dwight went out seeking to steal the name.

      this whole feuding thing is petty but more so on shaq’s part. i can’t believe this is still ongoing.

  17. lakerluver - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Overrated how? I’m a Bynum fan but he’s NOT Dwight. Give me the big man who relishes playing defense and comes to work every night. Bynum’s gifted in the low post…when motivated…but Dwight’s game is perfectly suited to this LAKERS team. He doesnt have to score 30 a night. 18 pts, 15 boards and 3-4 blocks will be just fine. Shaq’s coming off as a petty, envious, insecure ex player. And people labeled Kobe as the bad teammate. I bet you Kobe will never have to “attempt” to motivate Dwight into coming into camp in shape.

    • camnellum12 - Oct 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      I agree, but I don’t think he’ll get 18+ PPG, more like 15-17 PPG, Pau has more importance offensively. Howard should be the 3rd or 4th option offensively.

      • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 5:54 PM

        dump it in to dwight for the easy points and to get guys in foul trouble. dwight will not be the 4th option every night. there are teams that can’t defend dwight and im pretty sure the lakers and nash will exploit that heavily, in effect making dwight the 1st option. i hope people do not forget he is a franchise player for whatever team he plays for. franchise players who play on the same team as other franchise players i feel can have interchangeable nights where they are the go-to guys.

        also, this is just a hunch, but im not sure nash is even thinking about scoring. he is a deadly shooter from anywhere, free throw line, the field and from 3, so he will take advantage when guys collapse. and don’t forget, kobe has played with pau for some years now, and i think he has a good handle on knowing when pau is playing disinterested or when he doesn’t want the ball. you can bet kobe will be feeding dwight on those nights too.

  18. bougin89 - Oct 5, 2012 at 9:35 AM

    I loved watching Shaq play, as I’ve said on here many times, but he is terrible on TNT and really coming across as insecure when he tries to belittle Dwight Howard.

  19. brianjoates - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Dream, Bill, Admiral and Ewing… Dwight has alot of work to do before he gets a seat at the big boy table.

    • 6thsense79 - Oct 5, 2012 at 12:07 PM

      Whatever. Ewing was a very good but not truly great center. The admiral couldn’t make it to a final until arguably the greatest power forward ever (Tim Duncan) joined the Spurs. Shaq didn’t start winning championships until he teamed up with one of the best shooting guard ever.

      D12 has already lead a team to the finals with no other dominant player. He’s right there at the big boys table and now that he’s playing with other all nba players he should be ok.

  20. butterfacesareok - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    Bynum is bigger and better offensively, about the same for defense with the edge going to Dwight, bynum hit free throws, dwight way more marketable so lakers went with it, bynum is bad and has fire at times, d12 is goofy

  21. butterfacesareok - Oct 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    He can only get 18 a hame being the best and biggest player on the floor, where most of his points come off rebounds??? Give me bynum, he got those numbers with kobe and gasol on the same team, bynum gonna average 26-28 points a game this year if healthy

    • Kurt Helin - Oct 7, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      Bynum is not half the defensive player Howard is. That is why the Lakers need Howard. (And by the way, the offense is a wash. Howard put up those numbers dealing with agressive doubles and triples Bynum never saw.)

      • michaeljordanseviltwin - Oct 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

        Agreed. Howard is perfect for the Lakers defensively, but hasn’t he previously voiced dissatisfaction about the expectations placed on him defensively. I remember Dwight saying he’d like to be as involved offensively?

        I see three possibilities for this roster failing to win a championship: Injury, Dwight pouting and causing internal strife due to his inglorious role as defensive cleanup guy, and most of all Kobe/Nash struggling to be effective without the ball. One of them has to give it up and find a way to be effective.

  22. tomtravis76 - Oct 5, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    Come on dude, Pat Ewing not a great center? You ask hoop heads about centers and Dwight Howard wont get mentioned until somebody has to say, “what about current centers”.Ewing was a beast at Gtown and locked down the middle at the Garden. He faced so many great big men during his career. Howards competition during his era is Bynum, thats it.

    David Robinson might not have won any rings until Duncan arrived, but Duncan credits David for helping him become a great player. Robinson is another all time great in the conversation before Howard.

    Shaq took the Magic to the finals vs the Dream. Shaq was the center piece of those Lakers teams. Kobe was a major component but without Shaq, zero rings for Kobe at that time. Shaq added another great young 2 to win the ring without Kobe. You need superstars to win rings, you need a team, no one guy wins rings unless your name is Jordan.

    Dwight Howard has an opportunity to be in the conversation, but he has alot to prove.

    • guyaneserj - Oct 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM

      TOTALLY agree tomtravis76

  23. thebigcaptain2011 - Oct 5, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    I don’t get it… Oh wait, I do. Hakeem has players coming to him for mentoring while no one asks Shaq for advice because he had 3 moves. I know his job is to be an analyst, but even before then he rarely had anything good to say about any of the young bigs. Truth be told Shaq benefited from being able to bowl over opponent. Once the NBA changed its rules pertaining to charging his game took a nosedive.. Instead of evolving his game deterioratedand he spent his last 4 seasons of his career on a hate tour. Now he’s the weakest link on TNT’s NBA broadcasts. Go figure.

  24. limonadamas - Oct 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    Brook Lopez? Brook “6 rebounds/game” Lopez? Whatever. haha

    • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 6:10 PM

      i think “stayhigh_247″ had it right in his comment. shaq is frontin to prove a point.

      using the lopez brothers, where one has been rotating from bench player to starter and traded for a non all star, and another as you point out who struggles to get 7 rebounds a game, is a way to just support his points. but if you are a smart basketball fan it’s hard not to see that shaq just sounds upset, threatened or jealous that another center was getting so much love. think about it, shaq was the playful, somewhat loveable people-person center who was great… and dwight was approaching that plateau…infectious smile (pause), was a multiple all star, he had the look of a center that a franchise could build a foundation with. dwight was the funny guy, we just heard stories of him farting up storms in the locker room. it’s hard for shaq to see that and not feel that dwight was stealing his thunder.

      sorry to bring this up, but it sorta feels like the whole lil kim-nicki minaj beef, where shaq is the guy fading to black (lil kim) and dwight is the guy coming up (nicki), getting all the new love and is somewhat of the same character (aside from basketball talent). then the superman nickname came and shaq had it. he started saying dwight is copying him, saying he wants to be in his shoes and go to LA. in my opinion shaq was doing all that that to make dwight not want to go to LA because shaq knows what a personality like dwight’s can become in that city and he wanted to nip that in the butt quickly.

      AH. i commented too much about this beef today. good comment by dwight btw.. very professional response he provided.

      • somekat - Oct 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM

        that is a joke

        every city outside of LA, still knows Howard for the scumbag he is. Most of these guys are scumbags, but only very special ones show it to the world. Saying he’s threatened because this is the new “likable center” is ludacris.

      • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        ok , i hear you, but consider this in an unbiased manner.

        think about how many years dwight has been in the NBA
        his free agency circus lasted for how long? was it even up to 2 full years? i don’t think so.

        so, are you really going to say i’m wrong about how i described dwight because of how he handled his impending free agency? those months in his life represent who he truly is? that’s not fair to say.

      • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:54 PM

        u really called him a scumbag. like, that’s actually ludicrous to me. i bet if you ask the guys who are around dwight on a regular basis would say that about his character. he handled his business part in life wrong, jerking the magic around with loyalty and being wishy washy, but hey, you can’t describe howard the man, the human being as a scumbag. that shows you are not watching the same person i am. sure he coulda handled free agency better, but don’t tell me the guy with a million dollar smile is a scumbag. how do you describe bin laden if dwight’s a scumbag? satan?

      • money2long - Oct 5, 2012 at 8:59 PM

        i bet if you asked the guys who are around dwight on a regular basis about his character, they would not describe him as such.***

  25. lakerluver - Oct 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    The player formerly known as the Big Aristotle is now known is the Big Whining Insecure Petty Vindictive Wussy in my book. Go away, Shaq.

    • badintent - Oct 9, 2012 at 2:23 AM

      First post I have agreed with ever. How’s Hoopz ? Still lifting Shaq ? Easy when his balls are so small. Just ask Barkley when he threw the ball at Shaq back in the day. Shaq did nothing but glare and mumble. Just like he does now ! Sucker MC

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