Comments on: The Inbounds: Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and the actualization of scorers http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/ Basketball - NBC Sports Sat, 25 May 2013 09:39:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: limonadamas http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-128211 Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:56:38 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-128211 Umm.. most shooting guards play that way, no? Shooting guards tend to like to shoot, and they generally pass when doubled on a drive. The only guys this wouldn’t apply to would be defense-only guys like Sefalosha/Tony Allen or more limited catch-and-shoot guys like JJ Redick.

]]> By: manchestermiracle http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-128013 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:36:26 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-128013 “How many times has a team won the title with their point guard the best player, with the facilitator the best player on the floor?” Go back just a wee bit further and you’ll find a fellow named Earvin Johnson. He won five. The other guys knew that, if they got even the slightest advantage over their defender, Magic would find them. Oh, and he could play the other four positions pretty well, too. Sometimes all in the same game. The same title-clinching game, to boot.

]]> By: xonxrocket http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127985 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:53 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127985 What a waste of time this article is!

]]> By: xonxrocket http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127984 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:14:48 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127984 Truthfully, Wade didn’t need Shaq to win that ring.

He had the refs.

]]> By: omniusprime http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127978 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:08:45 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127978 No amount of self actualization is ever going to make Matt Moore intelligent. What a crock of crap this overly long article is, guess Matt thinks that a long article of moronic psychobabble will make him sound intelligent.

Each player has to be himself, no copycatting needed. There Matt, subject explained in just a few words. Utterly stupid to say that Kobe should be more like Dwayne or Dwayne more like Kobe.

]]> By: loungefly74 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127971 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:24:29 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127971 …i’m trying to remember if we were so analytical when comparing players back when i started watching in the 80′s? hmmm. anyway…

i’m sure kobe will adjust his game to the needs of his team…and his body. the success of his career and team leads me to believe he will be alright.

@zblott…interesting read. i’m taking a statistics (with a public affairs slant) class right now and your article(s) is a prime example of selective data…which is fine, if that’s the point you are trying to prove. my point is we can all bend the stats/data to reflect our opinion. (wow…ray allen better than kobe?…ugh…i think your biased opinion is your greatest downfall…it makes your analysis flawed. you are basically “building a castle over a swamp”…but thats just my opinion.)

]]> By: eventhorizon04 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127969 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:54:23 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127969 He said they were similar in style of play – not in accomplishments or overall skill.

He specifically said Kobe was obviously more effective than Evans playing the way they play – as shooting guards with a shoot-first mentality who mainly facilitate by passing the ball when double teamed on a drive to the basket.

]]> By: eventhorizon04 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127968 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:50:58 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127968 And LeBron James (20.9 pts – 5.5 rbs – 5.9 asst as a rookie)…but you’re right to not bring that up to a Kobe fan.

]]> By: eventhorizon04 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127967 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:48:23 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127967 Shaq in the 2001-2002 season (the last year he won with Kobe) averaged 29 points and 13 rebounds. He was still in his prime, which was the reason why he won 3 Finals MVPs with Kobe.

Shaq in 2006-2007 (the only year he won with Wade) was 35 years old and averaged 20 and 9. That’s the SAME average as Pau Gasol the two years Kobe won with Pau.

You’re right Shaq was a superstar, but by the time he won a ring with Wade, he was only equally as productive as Pau Gasol was during Kobe’s 2-peat (due to getting older). Wade was the consensus Finals MVP for a reason, and Shaq was retired just 4 years later, so don’t pretend Wade played with an in-his-prime Shaq who averaged 28 points and 15 rebounds per game like Kobe did.

]]> By: sellahh http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127963 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:27:37 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127963 Just sayin, Tyreke is one of few players to average 20-5-5 in his rookie season… alongside Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan.

]]> By: 24thesho http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127925 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:43:54 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127925 Tyreke Evans? Really? He’s a solid player, but, dude, please keep your Kobe minimizing to yourself. Kobe won at least 2 rings without another player of equal all almost equal caliber to himself. Wade won with 1 superstar both times and Evans is a very good to an above average professional NBA player. Get a grip, man!

]]> By: sellahh http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127914 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 01:42:55 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127914 “Self-actualization is a concept used in psychology usually in regards to the maximizing of one’s potential. It features ideas like “autonomy,” “spontanaeity,” “comfort with solitude,” and “peak experiences.””
I love how you post this and how this article is pretty free of typos that people like to point out,
Although the thing about psychology is is that the more you talk about it the less real it becomes ;)

]]> By: sellahh http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127913 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 01:39:36 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127913 i lol’d

]]> By: paleihe http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127874 Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:09:29 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127874 This article is basically a brain fart.

]]> By: zblott http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127862 Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:05:48 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127862 This is an important topic to consider when evaluating shooting guards since so many of them build their reputations on scoring points and looking cool while doing it (often by making things more difficult for themselves – taking on double teams, shooting long 2′s, etc). Very few of them actually interact with their teammates in a way that creates a positive dynamic, reaching this so-called “team actualization.”

It’s a shame, but it’s also why ranking the SG’s is so difficult. So many made themselves look good, but their teams rose&fell with the other players around them, especially the bigs. Check out how well the top 2′s of all-time did in terms of truly adding value to a club’s W-L records:
http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2012/9/10/ranking-the-best-shooting-guards-of-all-time.html

]]> By: money2long http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127858 Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:18:20 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127858 That picture just reminded me of when Wade broke Kobe’s nose. I think i was more perturbed than Kobe on that play.

]]> By: limonadamas http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/the-inbounds-kobe-bryant-dwane-wade-and-the-actualization-of-scorers/comment-page-1/#comment-127849 Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:44:19 +0000 http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181533#comment-127849 I can’t believe that you just tried to compare Kobe Bryant to Tyreke Evans… Come on, man.

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