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Stan Van Gundy says Derrick Rose could be next star to bolt

Aug 21, 2012, 11:11 AM EDT

Chicago Bulls' Rose tosses the ball in front of Los Angeles Clippers' Paul after the Bulls turned the ball over during their NBA basketball game in Los Angeles Reuters

So who is next?

LeBron James left Cleveland to team up with stars in Miami, following a blueprint seen in Boston (although how they got there was different). It’s a trend that continued on through Dwight Howard pushing his way out of Orlando and landing in Los Angeles with Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash and Pau Gasol.

You know this is not the end — stars teaming up is not some new trend (have you seen the rosters of the 1960s Celtics?). The difference is free agency, or the threat of it, gives the players leverage in the team building. So who is next to try and move to a superteam?

Stan Van Gundy — who was in the middle of the poorly handled (by everyone) Howard debacle — was speaking Monday on 740 The Game sports radio in Orlando Monday and said he thinks Derrick Rose could be next. As transcribed by

“I think Derrick Rose is a great, great representative of our league, and he’s a great player. And he’s got good players around him, very good players around him, but if (the Bulls) can’t get another star there for him is he eventually going to look around and say, ‘Hey, I’ve got to work this out on my own and I’ve got to find somehow to get somewhere else so that I will have a chance to play with another star.’ The league has changed.”

“The league has changed,” Van Gundy said. “It used to be the stars wanted to sort of have their own team, they certainly wanted good players around them, but now everything’s changed. I think it started with the Celtics, bringing (Kevin) Garnett, (Paul) Pierce and (Ray) Allen together and everybody saw that and decided, ‘Look, this is the only way we’re going to win.’”

Rose isn’t bolting. Not anytime soon. He just signed a new max five-year extension to his rookie deal that kicks in next season, he is not a free agent until the summer of 2017. Which means really we are four years away from him even having the leverage to try and force a trade, if he wanted to. And right now he doesn’t.

But even the Bulls have looked around the landscape of the East and realized they need another star. That is why the odd-deals and short-term contracts the next couple of years. With just a couple moves (amnesty Carlos Boozer, for example) they could have the flexibility to go after another max player to pair with Rose. They can try to recruit and build a super team of their own.

But Rose isn’t bolting. Sorry Stan. Can’t help you with this one.

As a side tangent, somehow the idea of the elite NBA stars finding a way to play together has become distasteful to some. Even though that’s how the NBA has always been — Bill Russell had Bob Cousy and Tommy Heinsohn and a boatload of Hall of Famers; Magic Johnson had Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and James Worthy; Larry Bird had Kevin McHale and Robert Parish; Michael Jordan had Scottie Pippen; Shaquille O’Neal needed Kobe Bryant as much as the other way around.

What seems to bother people is that now the players have the power rather than the teams in some cases. That Oklahoma City is more “organic” than Miami. Because it’s fine if management puts together stars, but we don’t want the players to control their own destiny? Rooting for management to take back control seems anti-freedom to me, but root for what you want.

The fact is, stars finding a way to play together and get to the spots they want is a fact of life in the NBA now. And I think that the players having leverage and not just being pawns of the owners is a good thing.

  1. justbhouse2 - Aug 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    Stan sounds bitter. Let it go man

    • cantonbound13 - Aug 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      Stan needs a hug.

  2. fnc111 - Aug 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    He is right. It’s obvious no star player wants to play in the Midwest winters. Chicago has never had a star sign there as a FA since MJ left. The strategy should be to get the número uno pick next spring and hope there is an Anthony Davis type player sitting there for them to draft. Bulls are in trouble if they don’t build thru the draft.

  3. worldbfree4me - Aug 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    I couldn’t agree more! If Mark Cuban hadn’t turned into a “cheap save save a buck or two owner,” The Mavs could be basking in the the “Free Agent” wishing well too right about now.

  4. ras1tafari - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Other than the ’04 Pistons, has there ever been an NBA champ without at least 2 HOFers?

    • pglive21 - Aug 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

      This isn’t really a good argument. I mean the Mavs had Nowitzki and Kidd, who are both virtual locks to make the HOF. However Kidd was not even a shell of his former self, even during the title run. Just being a future HOF player doesn’t mean they are playing like a HOF player.

    • celtics1297 - Aug 21, 2012 at 9:48 PM

      94 Rockets

  5. borderline1988 - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    I don’t like your comparison of general managers bringing star players together as opposed to players doing it themselves.

    There is supposed to be a theoretical sense of equality in that all general managers are on an similar footing with regards to attracting FAs and building a team (obviously this isn’t always the case; bigger markets have more money to spend, and East Coast cities attract FAs much more than other cities).
    But you still need a quality front-office to put together a good team. The 2000s Knicks were a prime example of how bad management can screw up a team, regardless of popularity or money spent.

    But when players team up, it kills the parity in the league much faster and more effectively. Because ultimately, the players decide where to sign. A general manager can only attempt to attract FAs, whereas FAs actually decide.

    • miamatt - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

      One problem is that parity just flat out isn’t good for the league. Looking at past “golden ages”, Lakers vs. Celtics in the 80’s was tremendous, and MJ’s Bulls vs. the field was special as well. There is always a place for fresh faces and new teams like OKC, but the NBA is best served when storied franchises like the Lakers, Celtics, and even the Knicks are competitive. The NBA thrives off it’s surperstars’ high profile performances like no other american professional sports league.

      Smart general managers play to their advantages. In Miami that’s Pat Riley laying his rings on the table, selling a culture of hard work and winning, and letting the weather/women/nightlife speak for themselves. That doesn’t work in San Antonio or OKC, but they operate a different way that is no less successful in those respective cities, don’t they? Unfortunately, many teams aren’t run with the mindset of playing the cards they are dealt, they just settle for overpaying b-list stars, blow draft picks, and complain that the system isn’t fair.

      • kopy - Aug 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

        Those golden ages were great because everyone only had 5 TV channels so the league could easily highlight the best teams, and there weren’t as many teams in the first place. It doesn’t work as well when every major city has a team in their market, but most of them know they don’t have a chance before the season starts.

  6. willcoop62 - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    Problem is, there are only so many supremely talented players in the league right now other than the usual suspects that you old pair Rose with right now. Howard would have been an exceptional get, but his drama was not worth the risk. The only true possible star on the horizon in a few years may be Jabbari Parker, and with him it’s a gamble.

  7. stayhigh_247 - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Hey Stan, why dont you stfu! Just because you worked for an organization that still doesnt have a clue, dont make assumptions about D Rose. He is not Dwight! A lot would have to go wrong for that to happen. In the beginning there was Mj & Orlando Woolridge. It took management a few years, but Jerry Krause got lucky and drafted unknown commodities Scottie Pippen & Horace Grant. Reinsdorf has shown he knows how to win and build around his star players, chicago is not cleveland and certainly not orlando. So Stan, finish printing out some more resumes and be quiet!

  8. jea1117 - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    all this talk about the players deserve to play where they want, kills me. we forget that its about the FANS. Players are well compensated for their talents. its the fans that get the bad end of the stick when a star jumps ship to play with his star buddy’s. the NBA should do like the NFL and use franchise tags and non guaranteed contracts, then the cities, teams, and fans don’t get screwed over by the 4 major cities

    • dls612 - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

      Are u the guy caught on tv burning LeBron’ s jersey?

  9. dls612 - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Its going to depend on how bad he wants to win! Every year the bulls are gonna have to get better than the last. And if not , and if there is a great opportunity to join a team that is one Derick Rose away from a title! Well u can blame him for bolting! Some guys try to hang in there with these organizations but as some of these players get older they’re thinking about getting at least one ring before they careers come to an end! But then every once in a while you get those loyal ones that stay. For now he a bull.

    • svupper - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:16 PM

      Kevin Garnett comes to mind.. He gave Minny all he could, but understandable ended up leaving for a chance to get that ring..

      I’m a big Bulls and Rose fan, and right now i can’t see that happening, but never say never..
      I do understand how players might go Gollum for that ring, cause it is the most precious thing for an NBA superstar..

  10. rajbais - Aug 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    I agree.

    Chicago is a nice town, but the crowd is lame; not rambunctious or loud, and there’s no star treatment that New York, Los Angeles, or Miami could give.

    Our practice facility is in a typical suburb, the arena is good (but not luxurious), and the fans only come because they’re not creative with their lives and don’t figure out anything else to do.

    Plus, this is a Bears, Cubs, and Blackhawks town. Despite the full capacities the fan types change regularly because Chicago is big enough to have revolving doors of fair weather fans. The majority of true Bulls fans are minorities, but all were poisoned with a lame ass culture where the only time you should act “out there” is by drinking. Enthusiasm and refreshing candor is a crime in a Midwesterner’s regular dialogue.

    Plus, The boos during the opposing team’s free throws are inexistent and we need a volume meter in the 4th quarter just to get the bare minimum fan screams.

    We’re terrible!

    He deserves better fans and I hope he goes to L.A. when Kobe retires.

  11. lastdukestreetking - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Helin made way too big a deal about Rose signing his max extension after his rookie deal expired. But that’s the way the CBA has been for a while. Player is only a restricted FA upon rookie contract expiration. LeBron signed his max extemsion with tha Cavs as Dwight did with the Magic. And they’re gone now from those teams. It’s when the extension expires that the player has the leverage. Four years sounds like a long time but it’s not. With the more restrictive salary cap it takes only 1 bad contract on the roster to hamstring a team for a long time. Guys like Rose & Durant will soon have their leverage and will use it if they don’t think their teams are true champoinship caliber.

  12. asublimeday - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Rose is a true hometown hero, not a turd like James or a drama queen like Howard. There is no smoke, no spark, no fire to this story.

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Aug 21, 2012 at 10:21 PM

      Really? I bet most of the people of Akron are proud to be Lebron’s home town

  13. cantonbound13 - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Stan Van Gundy looks like Ron Jeremy.

  14. chicagosworth - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Rose will not leave Chicago. He will want the satisfaction of winning it with (1) His childhood team (2) His City (3) to be able to really say he help build a championship team. Like Jordan but better, like Rose…Next up , The Rise of Rose.

    • dlhouse18 - Aug 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM

      People said that about Lebron too.

  15. lakerluver - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    One of the reasons why I’m such a huge Rose fan is because he seems to be the type of superstar player who wants to be a part of building a championship with the team that drafted him. That being the case, I don’t see him leaving the Bulls, unless they decide to trade him.

  16. dysraw1 - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    so now SVG is swengali the all knowing look its obvious da Bulls are in for a rough patch, but things won’t be by the start of the 2014 season.

  17. chasemoreau - Aug 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Derrick Rose?

    He is not leaving Chicago.

    He was born in Chicago, grew up in Chicago, it is home to him. During his draft day interview, he said he was happy because he was drafted by the Bulls because his family could come to games and also so he wouldn’t be homesick. He grew up wanting to be a Bull, and now he is THE Bull. (To those who bring up Lebron, I can pretty much bet Lebron grew up wanting to be a Bull as well, he was just drafted by his local team. The feelings were less mutual in that case)

    Last December he signed a 5 year 95 Million dollar contact to stay with the Bulls. In February, he got a 14 year extension to his Adidas contract, worth a reported 260 Million dollars. Part of the reason he received the mega shoe deal was because of his MVP status, but a large part is that he has the first signature basketball shoe to make a dent in Nike’s sales dominance on the streets of Chicago. Since the Air Jordan 1 in 1985, Nikes have dominated as the athletic shoe of choice in Chicago.

    More likely than Derrick Rose ever leaving Chicago, is that after this season when he is out with his injury, they gain good picks that they use to draft his superstar partner, or they swing the picks to trade for him.

    Stan Van Gundy couldn’t be more wrong about Derrick Rose leaving Chicago, and even if he wanted to, it is not happening until 2017 at the soonest.

  18. Fan On Fire_Maurice Barksdale - Aug 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    The players having leverage is a good thing for the players, but what about the fans? You know, the people who really pay these players. Just because it’s the way it’s always been done, doesn’t mean it’s right.

    The NBA will always be inferior to the NFL as long as they assume that the way it’s always been done is the best it can be done. A Franchise tag, a hard salary cap, these things work in the NFL, and they give teams like the Green Bay Packers the ability to compete for championships, as opposed to the Milwaukee Bucks, a team that can’t compete for them.

  19. magicbucs - Aug 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    @jea1117… Agreed! Might as well just have 12 NBA teams. ALL to big markets. Screw all the fans. Nba players and owners would be nothing without us fans

    @lakerluver… Dwight was also one of those nice guys that Said he wants to only play for 1 team for a career. If the bulls can’t build a contender D rose will ask for a trade. Adidas already gave him so much $ that he poops it. He eventually is going to want a ring.

  20. icu84bs - Aug 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    The owner’s hyprocrisy is the main problem here. They want to keep the star players as long as possible but shorten the max length of contracts each negotiation. If it were the NHL, LeBron (in Cleveland), Bosh (in Toronto) and Rose would be signed to 15 year extensions and going nowhere… Just saying you can’t have it both ways. If you want the players to commit, the teams also have to commit. A teams’ commitment is exactly the length of the current contract., that should be the commitment expected from the player. No more, no less.

    A secondary note: After a contract expires in any other job you are free to look for work wherever you can find it. As we fans are often told: ‘Sports are a business’. Why do fans in City A think a player should play in City A for their entire career (or as long as said fans want the player there)? After a contract expires in any other job you are free to look for work wherever you can find it.

    • icu84bs - Aug 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

      Sorry about the redundancy in my last paragraph. I meant to delete the second ‘After a contract expires in any other job you are free to look for work wherever you can find it.’ Cheers 8)

  21. rajbais - Aug 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    SVG will be correct. If Hakeem couldn’t be a lifetime Rocket D-Rose likely won’t be a lifetime Chicago Bull.

  22. cantonbound13 - Aug 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    If LeBron didn’t do the decision show. If the Heat didn’t throw that pre season party & if those 3 didn’t seem so arrogant through the whole free agency period, nobody would have been upset with their decision. It is obvious they wanted to team up prior to the process but put on a show during & after the whole process which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Every player has the right to decide where they can play when they are a free agent. Those guys were very unprofessional throughout the process & it upset people.

    • scalfor3 - Aug 23, 2012 at 12:53 PM

      i think there still would be some “they took the easy way out/jordan wouldn’t have done that” backlash, but nothing on the scale of how much hate they got. they really had no self-awareness during that whole process. lebron seemed genuinely surprised that it rubbed people the wrong way. cost of surrounding himself with yes-men

  23. donrwells3 - Aug 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Chicago has a bad habit of not wanting to spend for championships. They have never gone over the cap.
    The Lakers are willing to pay $240 (or so) million dollars to make a run at a championship.

    Being a Chicago fan, I wish that Reinsdorf would sell his team. The “House that Jordan Built” has been in a constant state of flux since Reinsdorf broke up the luckiest squad to ever be slapped together. He draws a full crowd with a cheap team because of the Jordan years. He is a profit-only driven owner. He will never overspend to win a championship yet he will never win a championship by not overspending.

    The Bulls may never win another championship under the ownership of Jerry Reinsdorf. The legacy and the past championships of Michael Jordan (and co.) will ensure that Reinsdorf remains a very rich man.

  24. itsonlyaspeedbump - Aug 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    “Rooting for management to take back control seems anti-freedom to me, but root for what you want.”

    Kurt, I don’t even disagree with you, but you are circling very close to a nerve with that line.

    Anyway, it’s not surprising fans in general demonize players for leaving as free agents. Their loyalty is generally not to a player, but to a team. Management’s interests in this regard line up with the fan’s interests. Looking objectively, we can say this behavior is not particularly fair to the player. But I’m certain someone reading this will swoop in and mention the amount of money players make, which apparently is supposed to excuse the treatment they receive.

    I would only agree with Kurt when it comes to free agents. What ‘Melo and Dwight did on the other hand…

  25. celtics1297 - Aug 21, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    the celtics players in the 60s were all drafted/traded by auerbach.

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