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Magic could have had, didn’t want Iguodala, either

Aug 13, 2012, 4:28 PM EDT

Iguodala of the U.S. is challenged by Australia's forward Ingles during their London 2012 Olympic Games men's quarterfinal basketball match in London Reuters

A lot of people have been asking how the heck Orlando traded Dwight Howard and got a team that is going to be near the bottom of the NBA out of it.

That was the plan. They want to be bad and use their own picks and the ones they traded for — plus the young players coming their way — to get better over the course of a few years.

Because they could have had Bynum… and they could have had Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia team president Rod Thorn confirmed to Mike Missanelli on 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia (via Sports Radio Interviews).

“It’s interesting in that we’ve been talking to the Lakers and to Orlando for the last three weeks… And then it really came down to, Orlando — they did not want to keep Iguodala because they’re going in a different way. And they wanted to move him, and so they talked to a few teams and they ended up making the deal with Denver to move his contract, and that ended up making the deal. It took a while to do it but it ended up getting done.”

For many the gut reaction is “they didn’t want that guy who just looked awesome in London?” But this doesn’t really bother me that much for Orlando — if you have to rebuild Iguodala is not the guy to do it around. To rebuild you want young players and picks and Iguodala is a prime of his career right now player with a max deal, he just stalls any rebuilding. Now, if you want to ask why didn’t Orlando just swap with the Lakers and get 24-year-old Bynum, that’s another discussion.

Thorn tried to sell that this trade worked for everyone, but he has to reach to make it sound good for Orlando.

But if I look at the trade, Mike, I think the Lakers obviously, they got Howard, he’s considered to be the number one center in the league. So they did fine. We got Bynum, who’s considered to be the number two center in the league. Denver got Iguodala, didn’t have to give up much. So it’s good for them. And with Orlando you won’t know for a couple years, Mike, because they’re dependant on these young players.”

  1. acharlot5 - Aug 13, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    No matter what anyone says this is just a bad trade.. cleared cap space, late first round picks and 6 players (which half who wont be on the team after this upcoming season) is not enough for Dwight Howard.. You dont repeat history and send D12 to LA or any contender. Easier for him to repair his image on a winning team that will be contending for the NBA Championship

    • saint1997 - Aug 14, 2012 at 5:15 AM

      Yeah i agree it was a bad trade. They should have gone rockets and got scott machado, kev martin, chandler parsons, royce white and some picks

  2. hartdaddy - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    Hey, this is the “proper” way to build a team right? This why I always laugh at people who are “disgusted” with teams who spend like the Nets or Lakers, claiming they are trying to buy championships. There’s only two ways to build a great team, buy one or suck for a very long time until you hit big in the draft. The Magic are going for the latter, following the the footsteps of a team like OKC. If I were a Magic fan I would turn of the TV for the next several seasons.

    • raidmagic - Aug 13, 2012 at 7:22 PM

      Well it won’t be the first time I have sat through some bad seasons waiting for the team to get better. Either way they are my favorite team and I won’t be turning off my TV. Real fans stand behind their teams reguardless

  3. rasalghoul - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    Former Magic season tickets holder here; no way I could justify renewal of my tickets after the front office let D12 run VG out of town then rolled over and play dead in trade talks. Last season I sold my pre-season tickets for over face value, they will probably be worth about $10 this year. Might as well root for the Bucks at this point.

  4. bucrightoff - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Why would the Magic want Iguodala? He’s not going to help them win the number 1 pick.

    • andyreidisfat - Aug 13, 2012 at 6:49 PM

      He helped the sixers get the number 2 pick

  5. gmsalpha - Aug 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    The Magic came out of this fine. They need 2 or 3 years of consecutive high lottery picks and if the balls bounce their way, they could be the next big thing, and in an easier Eastern Conference, no less.

    Yes, Orlando is going to be terrible for a few years, but this is the way to go. Besides, in a couple of years, you’ll have a few high draft picks AND Turkoglu’s contract will be over with and off the books. Depending on how the drafts turn out, a big free agent might want to head down to Central Florida and play in a still new arena with no state income tax and warm weather. Humid, but warm.

    Face it guys. Orlando was never going to get a “good” deal, but they made out alright if the plan was to look 3-5 years down the road.

    Besides, the Magic are not going anywhere, and they’re the only game in town, so when they do rebound, the fans will return.

    • kinggw - Aug 13, 2012 at 6:14 PM

      The problem with your theory is that the Magic will be bad, but not top 5 pick bad.

      Furthermore I don’t see any Durant/James once in a generation players coming down the pipeline anytime soon. For the Thunder plan to work you have to draft a franchise player. Are the Magic trying to throw away their season for a chance to draft Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel, or Shabazz Muhammad? Do they fit the bill? The Thunder plan worked out great for the Thunder, but I dont think its a model to follow. Sam Presti isnt a genius. If afforded the opportunity he would have drafted Oden. The Thunder’s success can be attributed as much to luck as it is to having a good front office.

      The Magic got screwed in the deal they made, and the more information that comes to light the more it seems that Hennigan or maybe Martins is in over their head.

    • eventhorizon04 - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM

      They didn’t offload Hedo Turkoglu’s contract, they didn’t offload Glen Davis’ contract, they didn’t get any worthwhile draftpicks since all their picks will be bottom of the first round, where you don’t find LeBron James-Kevin Durant-Dwyane Wade-Tim Duncan prospects.

      They got a solid 2-guard Arron Afflalo and a slightly overpaid forward in Al Harrington and a bunch of scrub players and scrub draft picks in exchange for a Hall of Fame Center.

      That’s bad value.

      • eventhorizon04 - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:36 PM

        *All of the draft picks they got from the trade will be bottom of the first round

        They’ll have to suck year after year after year to get enough lottery picks to build a decent team (the way OKC did), while if they had worked with Houston, they would’ve gotten Toronto’s lottery pick.

  6. fanz928 - Aug 13, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Should have trade Turk rich Howard for gasol Bynum and mwp 2 first round then trade gasol jameer Clark 2 first rounders for rondo and paul p
    Magic lineup Bynum baby pierce jj rondo

    • 20dollardinners - Aug 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

      file this under “they should have done trade A that no one in their right mind would agree to” and then “trade B…”

  7. pxeeks - Aug 13, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Iggi should never ever have gotten the max deal. He’s a complimentary player who never improves his game. He’s good. Not great.

  8. theboysofdallas - Aug 13, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    I understand, why would they an ok player with that contract

  9. loungefly74 - Aug 13, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    it’s the ‘ol classic “blow it all up to damn hell and start over” method…OR

    maybe they are just getting a head start on the “jabari parker” sweepstakes…

  10. magicbucs - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:04 PM

    I’ve said this a dozen times. Hennigan knows how to draft players. Even mid to late 1st rounders picks. He was the top scout for the spurs and asst gm for OKC. Look at those franchises. The magic will be back. And I’ll be watching them like a real fan since ’89 through the good and bad times. Not jump from team to team

    • eventhorizon04 - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM

      Just because he’s a member of their staff doesn’t mean he’ll be as successful as Sam Presti.

      And NOBODY finds franchise players in the bottom of the first round.
      Presti needed multiple top 5 picks to get Durant/Harden/Westbrook. He went 3 for 3 – no guarantee Hennnigan will just because he worked in a nearby office.

  11. ihatepancakes - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:04 PM

    They were going to take him, however his contract calls for 41 pairs of useless, dorky glasses per year and that would throw them into the luxury tax.

  12. jengibre23 - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:13 PM

    Who wouldn’t want andre iguodala. he can score pass rebound and play defense. Lit alone he can play any position on the court besides center because of his height. I’m really sad to see him leave Philly for Bynum I’m pretty sure they could’ve gotten a good big man without getting rid of their franchise player who I also think is a top10 player in the NBA

  13. ezwriter69 - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    There isn’t a team in the history of the association who succeeded with middle to low first round picks. That’s what the Magic has. That’s what they will have for the foreseeable future. That’s their plan, to get insanely lucky in the lottery, or make do with middle to low first rounders.
    That’s a total bleeping fiasco. Wonder how many fans will be showing up in a couple of years with no playoffs, and no hope. Worst management in all of professional sports… the TWolves have finally passed the torch.

    • Kurt Helin - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:52 AM

      The good picks they get will be their own for sucking the next couple years.

  14. dannythebisforbeast - Aug 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    @jengi glad you didn’t say he could shoot

    Orlando got low picks. I don’t know much I know unless your lucky or genius after the first few picks talent level drops alot and you need to know what your doing.

  15. tkels78 - Aug 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM

    Big baby is going to be a MVP candidate and jammer will have a break out season

  16. ozcarg - Aug 14, 2012 at 12:56 AM

    If all he really wanted to do was rebuild through draft picks here’s your solution…sit him on the end of bench until the last day of the trade deadline. Trade him to the sorriest team that’ll take him for their first round this year and another first rounder. You’ll end up with 2 high draft pick yours and theirs. And he’s not going to resign there so you’ll get another high pick later. He made you suffer so you make him suffer by going to a sorry team and pretty much losing a year and money due to the fact the cba makes you sign for one less year and less money.

  17. nodindenver - Aug 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

    I sure hope Iggy can contribute more than just some solid defense because the Nuggs gave up two of their better shooters for him. Guess it really does not matter anyway because if you are not fortunate enough to live in a city with a Superteam, the championship is a dream! Thank goodness football is coming soon because this league sucks!

  18. dlhouse18 - Aug 14, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    The Rockets was above and beyond the best deal.

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