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Report: Four-team trade involving Howard to Lakers, Iguodala trade being discussed

Aug 9, 2012, 4:10 PM EDT

Orlando Magic's Dwight Howard gestures during the first half of their NBA basketball game against the Boston Celtics in Boston Reuters

UPDATE 4:10 pm: Here’s a bit of an update on this complex blockbuster four-team Dwight Howard trade that illustrates how complex and potentially unlikely it is. From Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo:

Orlando’s Jason Richardson has been significant name in 4-way talks too, sources tell Y! There’s a scenario where he goes with Howard to LA.

The Lakers would save about $10 million in a trade that would send out Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol and brings back Howard and Al Harrington, and that seems a reason the Lakers would do it. They are way over the tax line the next couple years and want to lower payroll. But it also gives them room to bring back someone like Richardson, who will make about $5.7 million next year but has three years left on his deal. That would dramatically cut the Lakers savings, give them a contract that goes three years out, and the question of if they are better on the court is still up in the air.

And that’s just one team’s concerns and issues in a four-team deal. These are very, very hard trades to pull together.

1:16 pm: While things publically have been blissfully quiet on the Dwight Howard front for the past couple of weeks, the Lakers and Magic have not given up efforts to find a deal that works for everyone to send Howard to the Lakers.

And to do that, things seem to have gotten more complex (maybe too much so) but are now picking up some steam, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports and the NBC Sports Network.

There are multiple moving parts in the fluid talks, but the framework of a possible deal includes Howard and Denver forward Al Harrington going to the Lakers, Philadelphia guard Andre Iguodala going to the Nuggets, Los Angeles center Andrew Bynum moving to the 76ers, and Los Angeles forward Pau Gasol and Denver guard Arron Affalo going to the Magic, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Magic would have a better chance of moving Gasol in another deal to get further assets, sources said, and eliminate the risk of Bynum leaving them as a free agent in 2013. Nevertheless, there was still a sense that Gasol’s and Bynum’s destinations could be fluid in the talks. Either way, one would go to Orlando and the other to Philadelphia, sources said.

I’m not saying it is impossible, but do not go thinking this deal is done — that is a whole lot of moving parts and a whole lot of questions.

First, you almost never see four-team trades (in any sport) because they are insanely complex and hard to pull off, both in terms of the cap and making a deal everyone likes. So that’s a strike.

Next, the Lakers have said they don’t want to give up both Gasol and Bynum in a deal, but that was before the Steve Nash trade. Is a Nash/Howard pick-and-roll with Kobe on the wing enough to contend in the West? Would the Lakers really give up both guys? Actually, they might to save money (Howard and Harrington as a combo save them about $10 million next season).

The next issue, both Philadelphia and Denver (and the Lakers) are teams over the salary cap, so nobody can just absorb more salary, and Orlando wants to unload the contracts of Hedo Turkoglu and/or Jason Richardson. Denver has a $13 million trade exception but they are not looking to take on more salary as an organization and wouldn’t do something to help the Lakers unless they got a lot of help in return. Olympian Iguodala might be enough. Might. I could see Philly being willing to move Iggy to get Gasol or Bynum, but how many picks and what else are they going to be asked to surrender?

Which is to say, right now there are more questions than answers.

But it’s out there. And it seems to have some substance.

  1. philadelphiafan - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    No way Magic will do that for Pau and Afflalo. Maybe for Bynum they will.

  2. lmvs2012 - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Blahh blaaaa blaaaaah!..fhuk u article!

  3. omniusprime - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Another story about an ignorant trade for the Orlando Diva. Kurt Helin you’re about the only idiot who thinks a Nash/Diva pick and roll would be worth a squat, but then that’s why you’re an ignorant sports pundit instead of doing something useful for a living. This trade rumor is the most ignorant ever and the Lakers will become worse than the Warriors or Kings if they rely on ancient Nash.

    What the Lakers need is a much younger talented point guard than Steve Flake to back up that ancient geezer Nash at point guard because Nash can’t play defense worth a squat. We should have kept Fisher is we’re going to be stuck with an ancient point guard.

    lakerluver – turn in your laker gear because you’re a sorry excuse for a true Lakers fan!

    • bougin89 - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:46 PM

      1. Kurt didn’t make this trade rumor up nor does it sound like he thinks it is actually going to happen.

      2. Nash is a huge upgrade at PG over what you had last year and is exactly the type of shooter the Lakers need to put around Gasol and Bynum.

      3. If you think Derek Fisher is anywhere near the PG Steve Nash is you are the ignorant one. Steve Nash right now is probably better than Derek Fisher in his prime.

    • b7p19 - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

      “but then that’s why you’re an ignorant sports pundit instead of doing something useful for a living”

      You mean like sitting in a cubicle and commenting on the blogs of ignorant sports pundits?

    • allmyteamsareterrible - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:17 PM

      I love how you call someone an ignorant sport pundit, when there is a reason they have they job they do and you don’t. Seriously, get a grip on your life.

  4. prideandpoise - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Who’s to say that Orlando won’t unload Richardson or Turkoglu in a deal where they ship out Gasol? They don’t HAVE to unload all those guys in the Howard deal.

  5. lakerluver - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    @omniusprime, of course you know more about constructing a team than Buss and Mitch. Whatever, dude. You “smart phone general managers” crack me up!!

  6. camnellum12 - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    I’m not saying Kobe runs everything in LA, but didn’t he make clear he doesn’t want Pau gone? What the hell, Mitch?

  7. khadeemw - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    This is isnt even a remotely possible trade. First Denver wouldnt trade for Igoudala when they have Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, Fournier, and Jordan Hamilton. They only trades I could imagine Denver being involved in would be one in which they receive a legitimate power forward.

  8. lakerluver - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    I trust the Buss family, Magic, and Mitch. They all have made it clear that getting Howard is paramount to the franchise. If they decide to trade Pau and Bynum I will support them completely. They have earned that much!! In conclusion, owning a smart phone with access to the Internet does NOT make one an NBA General Manager. In other words, you are not as informed about the NBA or the LAKERS as you seem to think you are!! Good day, my friends.

    • camnellum12 - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM

      Oh yeah, because Pau and Bynum helping the Lakers get back-to-back NBA titles isn’t anything? Realize that team chemistry is a BIG deal. Plus, the Princeton offense going to LA was the best news I heard as a Laker fan this summer, because it’ll keep Kobe in check, Pau would be utilized properly, and it’ll let Kobe catch and shoot and not have to work too hard getting buckets. But this would just shoot all that down to he’ll, because Howard sucks at passing out of the post, and is limited offensively. And as great as the franchise is, it’s not like us Laker fans can’t question Mitch and Jim, if the Lakers are getting the bad end of this bargain, why not question them? And what happens if the 6’9-6’10, PF moonlighting in the C position Howard doesn’t win a ring? What will you say then?

    • soflasfinest - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:25 PM

      Oh we’re not informed BUT you are?! You’re a dumbass signed the entire PBT forum

  9. shockexchange - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    If this trade goes through and LA underachieves in the playoffs with D12, Horry Jr’s legacy will be clear even to Lakers stans – a volume shooter who has benefitted from playing on teams with “exceptionally more talent” than the rest of the league.

    • loungefly74 - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:26 PM

      yes…yes..and you…stock buddy ol boy will have the last laugh…ha! i think not. okay, i can’t speak for every Laker fan but let me tell ya…Laker fans are about the team FIRST. no one player is bigger than the team. that said, I am very happy that during Kobe’s tenure with the Lakers, they won 5 rings. like it or not, he was a big factor in their success. if you can’t see that, well…not sure what to tell ya. and yes…you are right…he was also a big factor in their failures…and for laker fans, well it sucks but you keep moving forward. he is “our guy”. okay, volume shooter or not…laker fans love the unparalleled success they have had in the past 12 years…does that make sense?
      yeah, am i happy or hiding the fact the lakers (as you put) “teams with “exceptionally more talent” than the rest of the league…”? heck yeah, im happy the lakers have great talent year end year out.
      okay…your beef with kobe (for whatever strange reason), thats your thing i guess…but us Laker fans love our team…and kobe has helped bring in a lot of success.

      • shockexchange - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

        Lounge, you are definitely a “ride or die” type of stan. I respect that.

      • loungefly74 - Aug 9, 2012 at 11:59 PM

        now…as much as i hated big baby D12 with his poor decisions…he now becomes one of my guys…the right thing for me to do is root for him…only because he is a Laker now.

  10. paulhargis53 - Aug 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    See lakersucker, even your fellow fans think you’re a nit wit. Just like I said.
    “Smartphone General Manager” how many times you gonna use that?

    Sounds like someone has phone envy.
    That fits in nicely with your penis envy, which is nice.

  11. fpimentel72 - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    what about Ron Arrest, Steve Blake, anyone except both Gasol and Bynum, if we need to get rid of bynum that’s fine but not Gasol too, we can get a lot more for him.

  12. 3pointlegend - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Orlando is dumb just hold onto him until January and trade him to Brooklyn for Lopez, or okc for a package including James harden or ibaka

  13. lakerluver - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    According to the Max & Marcellus show, 51% of LAKER fans would do the trade as presently constructed. Obviously, it’s not as bad a deal as some of you “G.M.’s” seem to think it is.

    • aboogy123456 - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

      True, most fans are not GMs, so why would it matter what 51% of fans think. There is a huge dropoff from gasol to harrington, there is a small dropoff from howard to bynum. Simple as that.

  14. lakerluver - Aug 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    @loungefly 74
    Talking to some of these dudes is like talking to a brick wall. In other words, we are wasting our time, my friend. The crap that’s said about the LAKERS is the same crap thats been said about the Yankees for years!! My only reply to that is, it’s a great feeling when your fave team’s only concern is RINGS!! As for the things said about Kobe…..every hater on here would have a Kobe jersey if he had helped their fave team win FIVE RINGS! But we have him and if you’re a “true” LAKERS fan you should appreciate what he has given to our team.

  15. shockexchange - Aug 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    “Hater” is the most overused term in the urban dictionary. That Kool-aid you’re drinking is spiked … you know that right?

  16. lakerluver - Aug 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    Most of us aren’t politicians either but aren’t we still interested in the opinion of the majority when it comes to electing public officials? Get my drift?

  17. shockexchange - Aug 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    ^^ Agreed. On that note, you should prolly add “____ rider” to your vocabulary.

  18. kinggw - Aug 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Yet another proposed deal in which Orlando’s haul isnt as impressive as it would be if they took the Nets deal. I understand that Hennigan doesnt want to placate Howard, but it is also his job to do whats best for the team going forward. Orlando is clearly rebuilding, how does a 32 y/o power forward on the decline fit into that picture?

  19. codysteeler - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Love this deal for my Nuggets!

    • sellahh - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:18 PM

      Yeah, an inefficent PF and a great wing defender for Iggy? I’d love that trade for sure man.

  20. chadinkc30 - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Noooooo way this trade happens, simple as that! Not wasting another second with it

  21. khuxford - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    I know most of you want this trade to happen so you can be done with the Howard talk, but you’re going to be disappointed.

  22. cowboysallday - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    I thought Kobe said “if paul goes I go”

  23. somekat - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    As a sixers fan (and one who thinks the team can’t take the next step with Iggy on the roster), I have no interest in Gasol. Puts them in the same position. Best player isn’t good enough to carry them, but isn’t getting any better, and is good enough to keep them from being truly bad. I would make the trade for Bynum, and let that young group learn together (would probably have to fire Collins, who refuses to play young guys, they would be rebuilding with Kwame Brown getting 40 minutes)

  24. jagwar73 - Aug 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Go away Dwight! Uuuugggghhhhh!!!

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