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Who will be better next season, the Knicks or Nets?

Aug 3, 2012, 8:29 PM EDT

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With rosters pretty much getting set except for a few final pieces around the NBA — save for one big shakeup still to come out of Orlando… eventually — we can start to get a serious look at how rosters are shaking out.

And after all the moves the Nets made so they could open the new Barclays center — re-signing Deron Williams, trading for Joe Johnson, bringing back Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries and Gerald Henderson — you can start to ask a question:

Who will be better, the Knicks or the Nets?

The fantastic Tom Haberstroh at ESPN ran some advanced stats projections and the stats liked Brooklyn.

The Nets might have wished for a bigger splash to open their Brooklyn office, but there’s a fair chance that they’ll be the top dogs in New York in 2012-13. The Nets have the best player in Williams, a sneaky deep roster and considerably higher upside next season with Teletovic and Lopez. New York was a No. 7-seed last season, but now that Jeremy Lin is in Houston, there’s not much youth on the Knicks to help propel them to the next step.

Haberstroh is right, Williams is the best player on either team — before you start saying Carmelo Anthony know the Knicks are not playing Nigeria this season. In the NBA Carmelo scores a lot of points but takes a lot of shots to do it, he takes a lot of contested jumpers.

The stats don’t love Amare Stoudemire, they like Humphries better. And the Knicks bench additions of Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas and Jason Kidd are not game changers.

I think the two teams will be close in record. The Nets are going to score a lot of points but it is going to take years off Avery Johnson’s life as he tries to get them to defend. Mike Woodson did get the Knicks to defend but unless they find a way to get ‘Melo and Stoudemire to play together seamlessly they have a ceiling. One that isn’t dramatically better than the seventh seed they were last year, maybe a four or five seed.

And it is possible that the first round four/five matchup in the Eastern Conference playoffs next year would be Brooklyn and New York. And then the battle for New York would really be on.

  1. knightrider1755 - Aug 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Gerald Henderson? I think you mean Gerald Wallace. Proofread next time.

    • gmen4life33 - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:05 AM

      This is the second Nets article you have said Gerald Henderson. You have no credibility Kurt.

  2. Mr. Wright 212 - Aug 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    If healthy, Knicks by at least 5 games.

  3. knightrider1755 - Aug 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Frankly Kurt, the Knicks suck.

  4. cakemixa - Aug 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    The real question, does anyone outside of NY care about these 2 overhyped teams what will be lucky to be 7/8 seeds and win a playoff game or two?

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Aug 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM

      Better question, how many of you outta town inferiority complex yokels will there be uttering that nonsensical question all season?

      • cakemixa - Aug 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM

        I’ll probably stop when my OKC is likely back in the WCF/Finals, while your overhyped NY teams are struggling to “figure out what went wrong?”

      • beagle11 - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:46 AM

        Yeah but you’ll still be living in a place OKC driving your 3rd cousin to Carls Jr. for a date on your John Deere.

      • jimeejohnson - Aug 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

        “New York got the ways and means, it just won’t let you be, NO-NO!”

      • badintent - Aug 5, 2012 at 6:48 PM

        @Beagle11. U da man ! but I do like Carl’s chicken burger ! Next time you in Miami, check out the Viscaya Castle, built with John Deere $$. Madonna and Stallone had homes next to it, but sold and moved on .

    • 00maltliquor - Aug 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM

      (Couldn’t respond under your response post to Mr. Wright)

      “my OKC…”

      Dude, arn’t you a CLE fan? I coulda sworn you were reppin’ Cavs forever. What happend, switched it up once LeBron left and your team was once again irrelevent, so you go piggyback on Durant and OKC?

      (Sincerest apologies if I’m mistaken, but I swear your a Cavs fan. Correct me if I’m wrong.)

  5. lakerluver - Aug 3, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    Who cares, neither one will win a title.

  6. dysraw1 - Aug 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    dude just wanna be starting something, ok i get it the Bklyn team improved themselves to me a home town team is a home town team the last time the Nets where in NY i rooted for them and they have always been 1 of my favorite teams from the dr J days on

  7. khadeemw - Aug 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    Good Ol Kurt…Gerald Henderson…Haha…recycled articles and wrong name

  8. sellahh - Aug 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    I made a comment a few hours ago mentioning how Kurt says he loves hoops yet he mistaked GForce for Gerald Henderson (he did it once). I made it unknowingly of this story, hell it was before this story was posted. Now my comment is deleted and yet another story appears with you, Kurt, mistaking Crash for Henderson. You, sir, are a big-time adult troll.

  9. illcomm - Aug 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    sixers will end up with better record than both the teams

  10. fincity305 - Aug 3, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Everyone has time to hate on a beat writer when their team is busy sucking all the time . New York < Orlando.. Thats how much you suck

    • jimeejohnson - Aug 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

      You got their number!

  11. imforbigblue - Aug 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Who really cares they both will suck and neither has a chance of beating Miami

    • soflasfinest - Aug 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM


  12. 00maltliquor - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    Good question. It’s kinda like the Lakers or Clippers debate. But just like out West i’m going to have to put my money (surprisingly) on the older team, the Knickerbockers. I think their defense is going to be something fierce with all their pieces healthy

  13. fugubeach - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    The teams that are commonly said to be too old always prove people wrong. Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, etc.

  14. stayhigh_247 - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    “Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas and Jason Kidd are not game changers” Kurt, leave those drugs alone! True the guys are at the ends of their careers but they can still hoop. Have you seen what Camby and Kurt Thomas always brings to the table? Their gonna play limited minutes, thats a given, but effective minutes and in the playoffs those 3 guys have tremendous basketball IQ. I love D Wills game but Joe Johnson chokes in the playoffs, you cant teach leadership, either u got or u dont. Remember, Woody knows Joe’s tendencies more than any other coach still in the league, if these team met in a series my loots on the old guys….

  15. philadelphiafan - Aug 4, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    The top two teams in the division are gonna be boston and philly anyway.Knicks will fold in the first round as usual and nets will be swept as an 8 seed to miami.

  16. codysteeler - Aug 4, 2012 at 1:18 AM


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  18. proballerslounge - Aug 4, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    I have a similiar post in the link above. I am pretty excited though about the matchup….me being a ‘Melo and STAT fan I’m going for the Knicks.

    • deadeyedesign23 - Aug 4, 2012 at 10:31 AM

      Do you know the difference between Gerald Wallace and Gerald Henderson?

      • proballerslounge - Aug 4, 2012 at 10:36 AM

        Whats that

      • ocgunslinger - Aug 5, 2012 at 3:14 PM

        Who ?

  19. aboogy123456 - Aug 4, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    The Nets have a well built team and they should be third in the east behind boston and miami, with a small chance to make the finals. The Knicks aren’t even close to that level and in a playoff series they won’t give any of those teams problems.

  20. adiddie - Aug 4, 2012 at 10:57 AM


  21. aldavis4president - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    #WARRIORS…and I got the Knicks over the nets..nets have a deeper team.but melo nd Tyson will be the anchors this season. they should trade amare n play melo at the 4.. he’s cash money in the paint and you eliminate him having the ball early in the shot clock

  22. bigbadwolfmeow - Aug 4, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Wait…what does this have to do with Ricky Rubio?

  23. dal24la - Aug 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Good question
    Lets oversimplify this:
    Deron Williams > Felton (or Kidd if he starts)
    JJ > whoever replaces Landry Fields
    G Wallace (not Henderson Kurt) < Carmelo Anthony
    Kris Humphries < STAT (slight edge)
    Brook Lopez >> Nets top 5 bench players (Marshon Brooks, Mirza Teletovic, CJ Watson, Reggie Evans, Keith Bogans)

  24. alildusty - Aug 4, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    as a nets season ticket holder I would LOVE a 4-5 match up in the playoffs. It’s possible…

    definites being:

    Then you have philly making down grades rather than upgrades to their roster.

    You still have Chicago as a mystery team with rose out half the season and breaking apart bench.

    new York and Brooklyn can easily slip right into the middle with their star play.

  25. iamfisc - Aug 4, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Ok First off the last two season the Knicks have been completely banged up in the playoffs.. Second the knicks easily are the mst talented team top to bottom in the league with that roster… Putting all of that talent together has been the problem… Raymond felton, ronnie brewer, carmelo anthony, tyson chandler starters.. Jason kidd, jr smith, marcus camby, steve novak, kurt thomas and when e comes back iman shumpert who will start instead of brewer… Who is deeper thN that? Noone… Does it mean the knicks will win a championship, of course not but they will win te Tatlantic and be a 3 seed and be atleast 8 games ahead of the nets who only added joe johnson to a team with what 22 wins last year maybe? The knicks will rule NY and will make a run at the title “if healthy” no doubt about it..

    • iamfisc - Aug 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM

      And i forgot about amare stoudemire…. Derron wiliams has been terrible for team usa if u actually watch the games, If he is your beat player and joe johnson is yoursecond best you aint even comin close to winning the nba championship just ask the utah jazz or atlanta hawks..

      • Kurt Helin - Aug 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        Deron Williams has not been terrible for Team USA at all, for stretches he outplayed Chris Paul, especially in the tune-ups.

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