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Quote of the Day: Magic, Barkley on huge Team USA win

Aug 3, 2012, 1:09 PM EDT

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“I want to congratulate the guys on their continued dominance in London. This is starting to look a lot like our 1992 Dream Team. I look forward to watching them continue to drive for that gold medal and bring it home for the USA.”

—Magic Johnson

“That’s probably how many points they’d beat the ’92 team by … if we played today.”

—Charles Barkley

That was the former Dream Teamers’ reactions to the USA’s 83 point thrashing of Nigeria on Thursday, via Marc Stein of ESPN. I’m personally pretty weary of comparing teams across generations, especially in this case, but I think it’s becoming clear that this Team USA could end up in the top 3 all time (you have to include the 1960 team that had Jerry West and Oscar Robertson in these conversations).

Of course, one stumble and this 2012 team falls way down to the other end of the list.

  1. mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Obviously, with the teams in ’92 being so much more advanced than today’s teams (with all the splitting of teams, lack of international NBA talent, etc.), the 83 point victory doesn’t mean anything. Right?

    Riiiiiight… what I do know, is that this USA team when hot is a totally different beast than has ever previously been seen. It’s like the Miami Heat winning the championship this season: A big man is not neccesary to accomplish it. I have no doubt in my mind that, with last night’s performance, they would’ve beaten the Dream Team by only about…45 points. On the ’92’s best day.

    • mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

      By the way, I’m strictly referring to the way they played last night. If they played the Dream Team in the same hot-streak manner they played Nigeria, there’s no one on earth that could’ve stopped that team. That is all.

      • passerby23 - Aug 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

        Right, because the ’92 Dream Team would’ve just let the 2012 just camp out and launch 3’s and shoot 71% against them! The Dream Team wouldn’t let them get started. And where this current team is dominant – guard play – the Dream Team could match up with them.

        One fact still stands: aside from the drubbings of just-happy-to-be-there teams like Tunisia and Nigeria, when Tyson Chandler is not on the floor, the U.S. has a negative +/-. All this talk about how you don’t need a dominant center today is mostly a result of the lack of quality centers in today’s game. Guys watch the Kobe’s and Lebron’s of the world and don’t develop traditional back to the basket kind of games anymore. Things will swing in the other direction eventually.

        Dream Team would beat current team by a dozen.

      • GT - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:08 PM

        The only team the 2012 DT couldn’t beat is one with in-prime Russell, Wilt and 9 random pygmies.

        There, my analysis is as accurate as yours based on all available evidence.

      • ljl2 - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:16 PM

        except for any team that actually played defense and put a hand in the face of shooters and didn’t leave them open while also refusing to play transition defense.

      • mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM

        So are you saying that every team the ’92 team played was playing elite defense? Is that what you’re insinuating? Lol get real.

        The fact remains, the ’92 team never did ANYTHING like this. At all. Ever. Not once. Same cannot be said for the ’12 team. No matter how much you want to say it.

      • khayes31 - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM

        the dream team never trailed an opponent and scored 127 points twice. just saying. to me that’s how a team is considered the best ever.

      • davidly - Aug 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

        Last night’s performance was based upon the competition. They got everything they wanted against a team that wouldn’t even make the NIT. It is impossible to assume that they’d get that performance against any other hypothetical match-up. In other words: They wouldn’t have that hot-streak against the Dream Team.

    • justwannawinna - Aug 4, 2012 at 2:15 AM

      Don’t be so sure they had the most feared unguardable man MJ along with that one of the most versatile players in magic and the best shooter in bird. Ewing and the most undersized best rebounder of all time Charles. The only match up nitemare would be magic on james and Barkley on Durant. Mj would be on Kobe Cuz lebrons size is too long for mj. Buh if the dream team wanted to they could pound it insider with Barkley or malone

  2. paulhargis53 - Aug 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Manny, that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard concerning these 2 teams.

    You sir, are an asshat.

  3. ccshocktalk - Aug 3, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    You mean to tell me, that you believe, that you would take last nights show case against the original dream team on their hottest night? Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Chuck?
    I get it that last nights show case was amazing, and I think that they are vastly under rated in the comparison to the dream team, but to say that they would beat the Dream Team on their best night ever by 42 points is extremely outlandish.

    My best advice to you is to patent whatever it is you are smoking and put it on the streets and you’ll be a billionaire in no time flat because whatever you are on has you sitting on a totally different planet…

    • mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:08 PM

      My point is, the Dream Team never did anything remotely close to this. I welcome you to show me some proof that they did. Meanwhile, the ’12 team just did it, last night. Melo set the US scoring record in less than 3 full quarters.

      We saw the ’12 team do it, never the ’92 team.

      So, with that being said, I’m not making any hypothetical scenarios outside of the already-hypothetical scenario of those 2 teams ever being matched against each other.

      Let’s make this easier on yourself, and others who agree with you, shall we? Let’s take the top score from the ’92 team’s scores, and compare to the score from last night. They beat Angola by 68 points, while scoring 116 points. Let’s subtract that points total from the points total of last night’s US victory, 156. 40 points.

      They score 40 more points than the ’92 team’s best night in those Olympics. Against, what I would argue was, worse competition. Now if you want to compare “Who on their hottest day would beat who on THEIR hottest day,” and list the rosters, that’s fine n dandy. Let’s compare actual scores, and you’ll probably find some way to discredit it anyways. Lol

      • ccshocktalk - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:29 PM

        Listen here Einstein, saying that the 2012 team is best because the scored the most amount of points is like saying that because team a beat team b and team b lost to team c that team c is better than both team b and a without ever playing team a. It’s just stupid. What is even more retarded than that is to compare teams 20 years apart. Nobody will deny that they are playing against a higher level of talent overall, but to think that the 2012 team is better than the 92 team because they put up more points on the board is asinine.

      • handsofsweed - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:32 PM

        2012 team having little to no low-post, back 2 the hoop, half-court offense, plus the Dream Team’s HOF/GOAT-level perimeter defenders equals the recipe for an ass-whipping.

        Don’t think for a second that MJ, Dumars, Pippen and Magic wouldn’t have put one hell of an embarassing end to the 2012’s perimeter game.

        It’s like you aren’t old enough to have seen both teams play and/or watch too many And-1 Mix Tapes.

      • mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        For 1, I didn’t start the debate. I only participate in it. 2, you admitting that the ’12 team is playing against tougher competition. 3rd, you acknowledge that the ’12 team put up 40 more points than the ’92 team ever did, against said tougher competition.

        So again, if you read my original comment, I state that with THAT type of performance shown last night, they would have beaten the ’92 team. Nowhere did I say that they would CONSISTENTLY put up those kind of numbers. There’s a reason nobody’s ever hit 29 3’s in a game before, it doesn’t happen. In this case, EVER.

        In what way is that asinine? Lol… the ’92 team had their chance to prove how great they were. The most they scored was 116 points. Where I come from, 156 points beats 116 points every time.

        Stop being nostalgic about the Dream Team. Progression isn’t a bad thing, neither is admitting that they WEREN’T invincible by any means. If you can’t admit that this ’12 team would’ve spanked ANYBODY, including the ’92 team, while putting on a performance like that, then you don’t deserve to be using vocabulary such as “asinine” and “outlandish”. Those words are generally used by more intelligent and logical people.

      • infectorman - Aug 3, 2012 at 3:14 PM

        Manny my boy..

        About 11 posts ago, you typed the words, “that is all”.
        Then you went on to continue with your gibberish ad nauseum.
        Please! Spare us your opinions. We just don’t care.

        Oh yeah, by the way, you ARE aware the the word “fresh” was actually popular back in the time of…..you guessed it! The 92′ Dream Team, right?
        Might wanna re-think that user name, it’s just not so “fresh” any more
        I’m thinkin’ “MannyIce” or “ManicManny”…you get the drift…

        That IS all.

      • ccshocktalk - Aug 3, 2012 at 3:19 PM

        Listen junior. What I said is that the competition in this Olympics is definitely without a doubt tougher than the Olympic basketball in 1992, only an idiot would debate that or even question it. That being said, to start a conversation based on the 2012 team’s performance of last night and say with last nights performance they would spank the dream team, but you don’t even have any data to compare to the present team. One cannot simply take statistics and use it and say oh they are better because they never scored as many points in a game.

        Your logic is shoddy at best. The fact is these two teams have no parallels, there is no way to compare them, just leave it at that. You can take digs at my intelligence all day long, but at the end of the day I think everyone who reads this will know you’re the one who isn’t all there upstairs. Good luck in your comparisons though, really, keep it up…maybe some kid somewhere will believe you.

      • chicitybulls - Aug 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

        Come on fellas. Give mf a break. All he’s saying is that if the ’12 team did something they’ve never done before and unlikely to do again and play over their heads and the Dream Team had one of their worst shooting displays then the ’12 team would win. You can’t argue with that. You can apply that to any team though by the same logic. Like if the Baylor women shot 71 % and hit a crazy amount of 3s while the ’12 team shot poorly then the Baylor team would beat the ’12 team. See, it works both ways. Just plug in any team and keep the stats. mf…hmmm I know another name you can use. You can even keep the same initials.

      • mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

        Infectorman,

        My handle is relevant? Lol I was born in the 80’s and had my nickname Mannyfresh by the time my 10th birthday came around in the mid 90’s. So yeah, it’s from the era. I’m not against the 90’s, or the Dream Team. I’m simply being realistic. My comments are in response to Magic and Charles still pretending like they think the ’12 team wouldn’t win 1 single game against them.

        CCSHOCKTALK – I’m just gonna call you old man, since you want to refer to me as jr.

        The way this team dominated was by raining 3 pointers the entire game. It’s not like they just pounded the rock in the paint and got layups. If that were the case, one could easily make the argument that the ’92 team would have defended the paint much more efficiently and it wouldn’t have happened. But, 29 3’s translates to what? 87 points. 87 points strictly off 3’s. Lol nobody could withstand that onslaught, not even the Dream Team.

        For that single game, the 2012 team would’ve beaten anybody that was put in front of it.

        I said good day, gentlemen!

    • bigmeechy74 - Aug 3, 2012 at 5:27 PM

      To be fair, by 1992 Larry Bird was WELL past his prime. Magic was older too etc. I’m not saying 2012 would win but they are definitely more athletic and quicker. But the 92 team had better basketball players. It would be fascinating to see if it was possible. Do you know how impossible it is to guard kevin durant? and Lebron James? Plus the ridiculous speed of westbrook etc? I think if they played a best of 7 it would go at least 6 and probably 7 games. With a SLIGHT edge to ’92

  4. therealroman - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    This if from the Article 18 hours ago, where you wrote about the win against Nigeria:
    “[...]The 156 points is the most any team has ever scored in a single game in the history of the Olympics. The old record had been 138. It goes without saying that is more than the Dream Team ever scored in a game, in case you feel like starting that silly debate again.[...]”

    Now you write this:
    “[...]I’m personally pretty weary of comparing teams across generations, especially in this case, but I think it’s becoming clear that this Team USA could end up in the top 3 all time (you have to include the 1960 team that had Jerry West and Oscar Robertson in these conversations).[...]”

    So you don’t wanna compare different teams from different generations and you believe it’s a silly debate yet you fuel that debate by writing something about it basically every day?

    I believe you’re a basketball expert but that’s pretty dumb.

  5. therealhtj - Aug 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    I think the Nigerians could beat the original dream team by 83 today.

  6. lastdukestreetking - Aug 3, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    The only position where the ’12 team might have an advantage is PG. Magic was still good but older & slower than his prime. Stockton was a great ball handler & but wasn’t the most athletic guy. CP3, DWill & Westbrook could dominate them.

    • ccshocktalk - Aug 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM

      those guys couldn’t hold Stockton or Magic’s jock strap. No doubt that Stockton’s athleticism wasn’t as great as their’s but to think that his basketball IQ wasn’t as high or higher than theirs is pretty silly. And to think that Magic couldn’t post up all 3 of them…hello, he played all 5 positions on the floor…do you really think he’d just try to be faster than them? Lets take into account John and Magic’s basketball IQ for a second and you’ll realize these kids wouldn’t be putting on a highlight real that you think they would be.

      • bigmeechy74 - Aug 4, 2012 at 11:18 PM

        That’s ridiculous if you think these guards would have no chance against john stockton. Absolutely absurd.

  7. hartdaddy - Aug 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Magic-Congratulations Team USA.

    Barkely-Some Smart Ass Comments

    You can tell who’s more nervous about this 92 Dream Team Vs. 2012 Team USA. Better settle in Barkely they just getting started, that was only the matinee.

  8. urodaddy07 - Aug 3, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    People discount how big and fast today’s athletes are. It is impossible to compare athletes from different era but if you look at the strength and speed of players you have today objectively, you have to at least concede that they would stand a chance. Position for position I think today’s US team would beat the dream team. Lebron at guard or forward would mangle any defence. KD is a better shooter than anybody else on the dream team except for Stockton.

    • ccshocktalk - Aug 3, 2012 at 4:26 PM

      That’s actually wildly inaccurate (KD is a better shooter than anyone on team USA accept Stockton).
      Michael Jordan actually shot .497 and KD shoots .468 just saying. And if you want to say that it was only his fifth year, that’s fine because in Michaels first five years he shot .505…sooo I’d love to know how you came to that conclusion. Oh yeah, this guy…Larry Bird, he also shot .496 as well…both of them were better than KD…that’s just a fact…

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html
      http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3202/kevin-durant

      nobody can deny today’s athletes are some of the best tuned athletes that there ever have been…but to say that the guys that came from a no blood no foul era couldn’t hang with the 2012 team, that’s just nonsense. And to say that the 92 team would mop the floor with the 2012 is absolutely ludicrous. lets just say that you cannot draw parallels because it is impossible.

      Also, lets not forget, positions today are almost non existent which is a statement of how much the game has changed in the last 20 years. Guys like LeBron, & KD just don’t fit into the 1,2,3,4 or 5 positions that were slated back in the day…those two guys could play anywhere between the 4 and the 1 and at times float to the 5…it’s a different game, different style, different rules, mentality, etc. everything is different and it really makes it impossible to compare and contrast.

  9. isujames - Aug 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    I agree with ccstalk, WTF are you smoking saying some outlandish issh like that????This game for the U.S. was the perfect time for them to play an allstar type of game where they run and gun while playing little to no defense against a team that you can get away with that against.I was not impressed.This game reminded me of the allstar game that just took place.Honestly MFresh you sound pretty silly saying what you said.

  10. isujames - Aug 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    The 92 squad could have ran up the score like that on everyone they played but unlike this team they play defense and play hard on both ends of the ball.This was the one game this 2012 squad knew they could play this type of game against.

  11. eflem80 - Aug 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    This US team can absolutely beat the “dream team” & not just because of what happened yesterday. The main point I use in this argument is the competition. The “dream team” won their games by an average of 48 points…..this team is beating teams (who are loaded with nba players) by an average of 52 points. And we’re not talking about against players like Toni Kukoc….we’re talking about all stars. These teams have 3-5 NBA players on them who unlike most of the dream teams competition are not impressed or in awe of just being on the floor with them…their teammates back in America so it’s just not a big deal. I think people look at the dream teams roster & get caught up in the names rather than what kinda players they actually were while they were on the team. Clyde Drexler even said that Magic “couldn’t guard a shadow” at that point in his career. Same with Bird and Stockton was just coming into his own. True, this team has no one better than MJ and they lack size…BUT their deeper, more athletic, and have more players at their prime than the dream team did. Also, even though jordan would be the best player on the floor…Kobe, LBJ, and Durant would be the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best players on the floor. I’m not saying that it’s a lock that this team would win, but I think in say a 7 game series…it goes 7 and boils down to who plays harder in that 7th game between Kobe & MJ.

  12. dadawg77 - Aug 3, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Dream Team wins because of Jordan, Pippen and height. Pippen on James would have been fun to watch. Jordan would be the lead scorer and lock down who ever he was guarding. If the 92 team was playing the current team it has a different rotation as everyone knew the Dream Team didn’t have strong competition after USSR and Yugoslavia broke up. Thus rotations became very exhibition like.

    • mannyfresh209 - Aug 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM

      Jordan wasn’t even the lead scorer when the ’12 team WASN’T in the conversation.

  13. skinsfanwill - Aug 3, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    Everyone keeps addressing how the 92 team would have to defend this ’12 team. How on earth would this team defend Ewing, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Magic, Bird, Jordan. None of these guys will get open shots because the ’92 team actually played defense. Anyone can hit open 3’s. Chandler would have no chance in the post. Everyone on this ’12 team would be fouled out by the half.

    • handsofsweed - Aug 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      Righ!!! When your bigs are Kevin Love and Tyson Chandler and your opponent plays better perimeter defense than anything you could possibly imagine, your offense stalls. This “spread it out and try to go 1-on-1 to the hoop/kick it out for a 3″ would not have worked even remotely consistently vs Dream Team. You can’t even set up even if you want to bc Joe Dumars ate Chris Paul for lunch.

      Then, they pack your ass down in the half court when they have ball bc you can’t just “pressure D” the Dream Team guards to create the 65% of your offense that you’re counting on. Once they break your pressure bc they’re smarter and better than you, they get your d in that half court nightmare. You struggle w defending the pick/roll and with rebounding, so they just beat the hell out of you.

      But some dummy who really doesn’t understand the game itself will argue stupid crap about point differentials, blah blah “we beat so and so by so much and that translates to blah blah.”

  14. metalhead65 - Aug 3, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    just stop all this nonsense. the 92 team was called the dream team for a reason and they set the standard as high as you can set it. other teams have followed and some like the current one are quite good but no mater what they do they will not be the 92 team so stop talking about being better and just enjoy the way they are playing and the gold medal should they win it. the USA has nothing to aplologize for dominating the game the way they do. maybe people have forgotten the reason why the pros were sent over to begin with and that is the other countries pro teams caught up with the college all stars we were sending over to compete. those countries liked beating the USA and took great pride in it and now that they have been put back in their place we are suppose to feel sorry for destroying the competition? I don’t think so!

  15. freemantowilliams - Aug 3, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    OK! ENOUGH! I’m tired of this dream team vs ’12 team talk. It’s obvious there’s only one way to settle this! I’m looking at you EA Sports. Get it done!

  16. progress2011 - Aug 3, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    OK,

    Those guys on Nigeria’s team couldn’t even dribble. Definitely did not understand passing lanes. They were not interested in defense and simply wanted to say, they played against the best in the world / Team U.S. A.

    I don’t think this game against Nigeria can be considered a measuring stick.

    North Carolina or even Duke would probably beat them by 30. So, let’s not get too ahead of ourselves. It may be challenging to bring home the gold.

    GO TEAM USA !!!

  17. davidly - Aug 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    Chuck is right. Who wins depends on whether they play in ’91 or ’12. I don’t know which’d be more entertaining: The current US team playing a team of guys pushing 50 and beyond, or the Dream Team playing a bunch of three to ten-year-olds*.

    *with a fourteen-year-old “Bean” insisting on trying to dunk on everybody.

  18. rrussellndfan - Aug 3, 2012 at 11:45 PM

    I’m with manny. You people are just flat out in denial. Probably because your older and can’t handle your favorite players not being as good as the players today. Get over it and stop crying. Yes the 92′ team was great but they arent as good or athletic. Watch the films. People are just flat out more athletic. It’s called the evolution of basketball. 92′ was 20 years ago. The game has changed, some of you just won’t accept it.

  19. justwannawinna - Aug 4, 2012 at 2:31 AM

    Alright first to the comment that said ball iq isnt a big factor , its the omost important thing. Another thing magic was still a beast that could make impossible passes. I’ve only seen James do anything close . Next Stockton would skool any guard when he was at his best, Cuz his handles and amazing ball iq. Another try thing points don’t matter in different games Cuz the only match up problem would be lebron and maybe Durant buh then again who can slow down Jordan in his prime. And magic could skool any of the forwards and pound the hell outta the 12 team

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