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Jul 29, 2012, 11:44 AM EDT

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“They’re a lot smaller than we were,’’ Ewing, one of 11 Hall of Famers on that Dream Team, said on NBA TV. “(The current team is) kind of light in the middle. Myself and David Robinson, we would have had a field day… I’m not saying we would have creamed them. Best out of 10, I’d say we’d have beaten them 10 out of 10.’’

via Chris Tomasson’s post on London Olympics | Latest updates on Sulia.

That’s Patrick Ewing weighing in on the raging debate about Team USA 2012 vs. the Dream Team to Fox Sports’ Chris Tommasson.

And it’s kind of the sentiment of everyone who’s not on Team USA 2012. Yeah, some of those games might be close, but the Dream Team didn’t have the injuries, Dream Team didn’t have the size problems, Dream Team had better shooters, Dream Team had two of the five best players of all time.

So they wouldn’t cream them, they’d just win every game.

I’m sure that will make the guys on today’s team feel better.

  1. cdins - Jul 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    I think you meant to say 3 of the 5 best of all time. Magic, mj, larry.

  2. naterich21 - Jul 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Chandler wouldn’t know what hit him

  3. scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Where is this size advantage? Ewing and Robinson 7 footers. Tyson Chandler 7 footer. 92 had better centers and more depth.

    After Ewing and Robinson the next biggest player is 6’9

    Barkley 6’6. Malone 6’9. Vs. Durant 6’10 and James 6’8. You really think having a fat Chales Barkley at 6’6 250 posting up a 6’8 250 Lebron gives you an advantage. I would love to see Malone and Barkley have to guard Lebron and Durant on the perimeter. Barkley would have been run out of the building by the second period.

    You think a 6’7 210 Pippen is gonna post up all day on a 6’8 230 Carmello.

    The PG depth of 2012 is huge. Williams, Paul and Westbrook. Vs Stocton who had bad ankles at the time and Magic who hadn’t played in a year.

    Kobe vs MJ. We can debate forever, but I don’t think is much of an advantage either way.

    • arlingtonsynn - Jul 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      Let’s go in order:

      ” You really think having a fat Chales Barkley at 6’6 250 posting up a 6’8 250 Lebron gives you an advantage.”

      Nope. That’s what Robinson, Malone, and Ewing are for. Barkley is just the guy made of elbows who beats on LBJ until he doesn’t want to contend for rebounds. Barkley was the leading rebounder on the Dream Team.

      You think a 6’7 210 Pippen is gonna post up all day on a 6’8 230 Carmello.

      If he needs to, yes. Pippen was that versatile and Carmelo is a crappy defender. Again though, see my point above to see that Pippen wouldn’t need to.

      The PG depth of 2012 is huge. Williams, Paul and Westbrook. Vs Stocton who had bad ankles at the time and Magic who hadn’t played in a year.

      There wouldn’t happen to be anyone else on the Dream Team capable of playing the point right? MJ and Pippen were both more than capable if needed and Westbrook would suffer particularly badly. The perimeter defense of the Dream Team (remember… they played defense back in those days and Stockton, Pippen, and Jordan were all defense) would make shooting tough and the interior D is more than capable of launching his drives into the stands. Then Barkley would elbow him cos he is just a prick like that.

      Dream Team vs. current Olympic team is an interesting debate, but please understand that the Dream Team really was a well assembled team with an emphasis on defense.

      • Kurt Helin - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        Anyone who thought 1992 Barkley was fat and couldn’t play wasn’t paying attention. Flat out baller.

      • scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM

        Well I think Lebron and Kobe could also play point if need be. It seems the points you make go towards versatility, no? If that’s the case 2012 has a much more versatile team. Malone plays the 4, Robinson and Ewing the 5, maybe the 4. Magic was the only one who could play and guard multiple positions.

        now if you would like to start a discussion on who the more athletic team was, I think you will be disappointed.
        Duant can play the 3-5 role. I wouldnt consider Malone a stretch 4. Lebron can play 1-5, Melo 2-a stretch 4.

        You get the point? The 92 team didn’t have the versatility. Lebron could cover Jordan if need be. Jordan couldn’t cover Lebron. Not in the post giving up 2 inches and 50 pounds.

      • rtfinch - Jul 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

        Durant plays the 3-4 vs who? You’re going to post him up vs robinson or ewing. Yeah ok, good luck with that. Lets not forget the dream team probably wont play man to man. They’ll play a zone, go ahead and drive on robinson and ewing, and they proved vs france they miss shots with players closing out.

    • scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:14 PM

      Never said Barkley couldn’t play. I said that Barkley is not as conditioned as LeBron and if he had to guard Lebron over the course of a game he wouldn’t be able to. The point of this post is who was better. If Barkley is on Lebron….advantage 2012

      I also said Barkley was fat. He is.

      • cosanostra71 - Jul 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM

        In 2012 at the age of 50, yes, Barkley is overweight. You must not have watched him in 1992. Not only was he in great shape but he played on an fairly uptempo team.

    • infectorman - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM

      “Kobe vs MJ. We can debate forever, but I don’t think is much of an advantage either way.”

      You either 22 years old or haven’t the faintest idea of which you speak.

      There is NO debate between KoME and MJ;
      MJ wins 1000 out of 1000 times.
      END OF STORY

      • scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM

        Glad you cleared that up for me.

        Yeah there really is a debate. I can argue as many points in Kobe’s favor as you can in Jordan. You are one of the brainwashed media zombies who has gotten to accept without question MJ was the GOAT because it has mindlessly been repeated by the talking heads. Jordan is a brand, no doubt he’s is one of the greatest players of all time, But the media has grown this legend exponentially. If there were a 24 hour sports channel 30 years ago, it would be accepted that Bill Russell and his 9 rings or Wilt and his 100 point game and multiple championships would have been replayed ad nausem until it was engrained in everyone’s mind that they were the greatest of all time.

        While we are at it let’s debate

        Wilt vs MJ
        Magic vs MJ. (Little hint Magic was a much better overall player although I will give MJ the edge on D)
        Bird vs MJ
        Russell vs MJ
        Oscar Robertson (Mr triple double) vs MJ
        And there is more on the list…

        No doubt you’ll use the….Well MJ has 6 rings argument but My Bill Russell argument will beat that one.

      • rezburna - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:47 PM

        @Scorp16

        You might want to look up the statistics really quick sir. Jordan trumps Kobe in every statistical category, and it isn’t even close. The closest current player to matching up with Michael Jordan’s stats are LeBron James. I don’t believe in the ring argument either, so anything involving championships is irrelevant to me.

        Thing is, Scottie Pippen was one of the best defenders of all time. He could cover LeBron. Nobody could stop LeBron, but he could definitely slow him down. Nobody on that team could stop Michael Jordan. IDC if it’s LeBron James himself. LeBron James can’t shut down Kevin Durant, and he’s definitely not shutting down Michael Jordan. Ewing and Robinson are going to dominate on the inside. The only major advantage for this years team is when Stockton is in at PG. I feel like every PG on this USA team could destroy Stockton.

        But the Kobe/MJ debate is ludicrous.

      • scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM

        Ludicrous how?

        So that I correctly understand you position. Is it that MJ is GOAT or MJ is better than Kobe. I can accept that MJ is better than Kobe but to say there can’t be a debate then that is ludicrous. Kobe will be considered one of the greatest players when his career is done. Whether he surpasses Jordan maybe a different story. I think another ring or two for Kobe and the argument holds a lot more weight. Not saying he is going to win any more rings but let see his career over with before we start the comparisons.

        You want to discuss MJ as GOAT and you like relying on statistics well

        Is MJ the all time leading NBA scorer….nope that would be Kareem. So I guess there can be debate between Kareem vs MJ for GOAT no?

        PPG. MJ tied with Chamberlain at 30.1 So I guess there can be a debate between Wilt and MJ for GOAT no?

        Assists? MJ not even in the top 30

        Steals? MJ in the top 5.

        Look I am not disputing that MJ is one of the best players to ever lace up in the NBA. But I don’t buy into him being the GOAT. His game was different from Wilts, Magic’s, Russell’s etc.

      • infectorman - Jul 29, 2012 at 6:04 PM

        I don’t pay any attention to the media and their self-perpatuating blather.
        I use the eyeball test for everything state on here. Careful with your assumptions friend, you might a fool of yourself….again

        And unequivocally, Jordan was a better shooter, creator, defender, team player, slicer, dicer, dunker, dribbler was more aerobatic and also made a better casserole to boot. Oh! and he WHINED about 1 one billionth as much as KoME the MJ wannabe
        Nothing to do with rings….

        Kobe is sloppy 2nd’s compared to Jordan and he will NEVER be considered in the same class as Jordan by those of us who lived though both of them.
        Seriously wondering if you are part of the group

      • camnellum12 - Jul 30, 2012 at 3:00 AM

        @scorp16 I agree, Michael Jordan is not the “GOAT”, but he’s in the Top 5, which should all be tied in terms of greatness: Wilt, MJ, Kareem, Magic, and Russell. All players did something better than the other, and honestly are equally great and you can’t go wrong with either one. There can’t be a “GOAT”, different eras, different styles, different roles on teams. But why don’t MJ realize he didn’t win until Phil arrived? I hold Kobe to the same acclaim, and I’m a Laker fan, without the Triangle, Jordan would be what Carmelo Anthony is today (I know MJ is 100x better, I’m talking in terms of how he’s viewed as a teammate), a ballhog who can’t trust anyone. Michael Jordan owes Phil his glory, also Kobe, because they’re great individual talents, but will shoot 1st, shoot 2nd, then pass 3rd. How can you call Jordan the “GOAT”, when he can’t achieve in critical concept of basketball: team play?

      • blaksteele - Jul 30, 2012 at 11:56 AM

        Bill Russell had 11 rings

    • cosanostra71 - Jul 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM

      Tyson Chandler may be a 7 footer, but he’s nowhere near the 7 footer that Robinson and Ewing were…

    • passerby23 - Jul 30, 2012 at 2:42 AM

      You mean the “fat” Charles Barkley who is largely considered the MVP of that Dream Team and then went on to win the NBA MVP in 1993? Yeah, I’m sure the current team would’ve had their way with him!

      Why would Pippen post Melo? Pippen was best playing off others and they had a variety of primary offensive weapons.

      Malone would’ve been a monster inside against anyone on the current team.

      No offense to Tyson Chandler, but he’s no Ewing or Robinson and, even if he was, there’s two of them and one of him. Even now, when Chandler goes out, their plus/minus goes way down. Foul trouble would be a concern. But that’s beside the point. Chandler has a very limited offensive game and his shot blocking ability is not that of Robinson’s or Ewing’s.

      PG is a question mark, but Stockton played with all kinds of injuries throughout his career. Current team probably holds a slight advantage, but hard to dismiss a top 5 player of all-time (Magic), even at his age at the time.

      And to suggest Jordan wouldn’t have an advantage or anyone is ridiculous. I’ll take the best player on the planet any day.

      Disagree with Ewing that Dream Team would win 10 out of 10, I say more like 8 out of 10.

  4. mack10da - Jul 29, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    its seems like ’92 dream team is running their mouths a little to much!! there is only 3 dudes I would take over our boys today!! back then the competition was awful!! Barkley wouldn’t even be a starter!! also a few of those ’92 dudes do not deserve to be in the hof.!!!

    • genericcommenter - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      Barkley wouldn’t be a starter? The 2012 team has no one inside. No one. Chandler wouldn’t even have been a top 10 Center in 1992. Olajuwon ( he wasn’t eligible for Dream Team, but just a point about depth of talent) didn’t even make 3rd Team All-NBA that year. Brad Daugherty and a bunch of other guys would’ve destroyed Chandler. There were actual deserving HOF players in their primes in 1992 who weren’t even considered for Dream Team because they weren’t even top 4-5 at their position.

      Name one guy in 2012 who is a future Hall of Famer in his prime and wasn’t even considered for Team USA 2012. Name even one legit All-Star or semi-star. In 1992 there were several.

      • 20dollardinners - Jul 30, 2012 at 7:24 AM

        The defensive player of the year and one of the core reasons the Mavs won a Championship last year would not be a top 10 center in 92… right…

        I must be watching a different game or you must be drinking a little too much of “the good ol days”

  5. demo3356 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Its a totally different game now then it was in 1992 so its impossible to say for certain who would win, but its hard to go against a team with 3 of the 5 best players of all time and 2 Centers light years better than anything on this years team. Also the current team is missing 3-4 of the top fifteen players in the league (D12, Rose, Wade). If they had those guys maybe they would have a legit argument, but I dont see it with this current roster..

    • mannyfresh209 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:31 PM

      LeBron better than Bird. Kobe better than Magic. I’d even go as far as to say Durant is a better team option than Bird. So if you are talking about Magic n Bird, I think that puts 3 of the top 5 players between ’92-’12 would belong to ’12.

      That being said, I think the ’92 squad would win. Lol

    • passerby23 - Jul 30, 2012 at 2:50 AM

      And the league’s MVP the following year and the second leading scorer of all-time. Dwight Howard would help a little, but not enough.

      Other better centers than Chandler: Olajuwon, Mourning, Daugherty.

  6. dysraw1 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    you kidding me different era’s,different times the funny thing is that the 92 dream use a lot of zone D so players all over causing a lot of havoc Barkley & Malone would crack your skull before allowing a score. with Magic running the show it was party on O

    • demo3356 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

      Bro it was a COMPLETELY different game back in 1992. Much more physical and revolved around a lot of back to the basket post up offense. Everything went from the inside out. Now all big guys want to be perimeter players. Back in 1992 you could beat on guys and wear them down. None of the guys today could handle that stuff, Lebron cries if he gets breathed on too hard.Conversely he and Durant would cause mis matches with their range and athleticism. I think it would be fun to watch but think the dream team would win 8 or 9 out of 10

      • dysraw1 - Jul 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM

        know doubt none of those cats really know what a hard foul is

  7. packhawk04 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    It was just a five years ago when magic was messing around and gettin triple doubles against current all star teams. One writer said it best that even though it was more of a pickup game, the fact that magic looked like the best player on the floor shows the basketball smarts and awareness players today dont have. Players today are more athletes than basketball players.

  8. steviep23 - Jul 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    92 team could beat 12 without MJ.

  9. drummerdave20 - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    all 11 are hof ers. how many will this team have?! maybe 3??! if that? maybe just 2! Kobe and possibily lebron. kd needs to win a few titles first. but other than that. who do we have?! we struggled with Spain. we struggled with France for a little while. the dream team would’ve beaten France by 45 points.

  10. isujames - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    I appreciate your honesty Mr.Ewing and I agree 100% with you.

  11. bobhpine - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    This is ludicrous…Bird could barely run, Magic was old, Russell Westbrook would run stockton off the the floor, mullin and Clyde drexler- please, Chris Paul is far superior…dream team had Jordan which means they would always have a chance to win, but lebron and Durant have too much athleticism an Kobe has the competitiveness an leadership of mj…I know we love to cling to memories, but players today are bigger and faster…watch a game from the 80s, it looks like slow mo…2012 would win 6 or 7 out of 10

    • passerby23 - Jul 30, 2012 at 3:01 AM

      So Tyson Chandler is bigger than Robinson and Ewing? Kevin Love is bigger and faster than Barkley and Malone?

      Stockton played against bigger and faster guards his whole career.

      Dream Team would clog the paint and force outside shooting, which is the greatest weakness of the current team. Dream Team wins 8 out of 10.

    • rtfinch - Jul 30, 2012 at 10:37 AM

      Still hung over from your 21st birthday yesterday?

    • ochocinco85 - Jul 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM

      it’s not all about athleticism, it’s about being smart and knowing the game well which the ’92 team was very good at. athleticism means nothing if you don’t have any knowledge of the game.

  12. isujames - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    2 of the 5 best players of all time, I say atleast 3 of the five best players of all time.

  13. isujames - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    @scorp16 Go back to playing your PS3 and reading your comic books and when you turn 25 you can join us men in grown people conversation.

    • scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      Truth hurts don’t it. Keep hangin on to yesteryear.

  14. finsphan - Jul 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    more versatile, Durant playing the 5, a 6’10 190 lbs shooter, melo playing the 4, a guy who hates contact, Barkley fat in 92, and some moron said he would only take 3 players on the dream team over today’s team, man people now and days really have no clue about how to play basketball, I bet the idiots who made those comments have never even seen an actual basketball court up close key alone played on one in an actual game, unbelievable how uneducated some people are.

    • scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM

      hey Fins Fan

      Durant is 235

      Say isnt Chris Bosh a 6’11 shooter who is also 235? I forgot, what position did he play in this years Finals?
      Durant isnt an ideal center, but he has played it.

  15. finsphan - Jul 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    I hate when 12 yr olds get on a chat board and try to sound smart, Durant can shoot! Westbrook is fast! Chandler is tall!

    players are by far more athletic now, but they are also dumber since half of them don’t finish college, don’t understand the game and only care about money. shooting percentage is down, turnovers are up, defense is worse and players are soft. Barkley and Malone would have a field day with Durant and love, beating them to a pulp, Robinson and Ewing would just chuckle at Chandler and 190 lb Davis, stocken (one of all time best in steals) would swipe Westbrook the turnover machine all day, magic would toy with Paul and on and on, only players who should even be mentioned with dream team would be Kobe and LeBron.

  16. scorp16 - Jul 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    so using your same logic youd probably state the 72 dolphins would had beaten last years Giants. Because after all they were old school. They were tough.

    Same argument really. What this is all about is if the athlete (or basketball player) in 2012 is better than they were in 1992. The answer is Yes they are. Just like the basketball player in 20 years will be better than they are today. Your points are not rational and they hold no credibility to argue otherwise is foolish.

  17. steviep23 - Jul 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    There is no crab dribbling past Ewing and Robinson.

  18. bobhpine - Jul 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    You people must have watched a different Patrick Ewing and David Robinson…Robinson was hardly dominant and patrick Ewing moved like an ox

    • passerby23 - Jul 30, 2012 at 3:08 AM

      Robinson led the league in scoring in 1995 and won the MVP. The guy was a force in his heyday. And Ewing is a top 10 center of all-time.

  19. khadeemw - Jul 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Ewing and Robinson wouldve have destroyed Tyson Chandler… and malone and barkley were too powerful of a frontline…lebron is strong, but he isnt nearly as physical as barkley and malone….that frontline would’ve put a hurting on them…and imagine if tyson gets in foul trouble…Kevin Love/Anthony Davis/LeBron vs Robinson…are you freakin kidding me…it would be a disaster…All that said and havent mentioned pippen, jordan, johnson, or john stockton

  20. diablito0402 - Jul 29, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Its not even about size, back in the day, the game was super fisical, elbows, hand checking, bodies on the floor, today some one on the stands sneezes and they send lebron to the freethow line, the dream team will absolutely abuse todays team.

  21. diablito0402 - Jul 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Besides, ive learned one thing in life, NEVER bet against JORDAN, anyone who disagrees is plain stupid…!!!

  22. finsphan - Jul 29, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    I would never say the 72 dolphins could beat any other team outside of 72, your not educated son, just because someone is a better athlete doesn’t mean they are automatically better. Bird was one of the slowest guys in the league and could not jump yet he made guys look like fools by out smarting them, Duncan has never been the most athletic but he is considered the best pf of all time because he is smarter and understands the game better, Stockton could barely touch the net yet his assist record will never be touched and one of the all time if not all time leader in steals. just because guys can jump high and run fast doesn’t mean they are better. sports is about passion, desire, dedication, understanding the game. most of these guys now only care about money, getting in a highlight real and not getting arrested, although most of them do anyway. so your argument of better athlete means better player had no logic.

  23. fotydaze - Jul 29, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    @scorp16

    You lose!!!! Your arguments are dumb, mj was 29 kobe is 34 really? Tyson Chandler wouldn’t have been a starter in the league in 92. Pippen would d up anyone on 12’s team especially lebron. Magic would post up cp3 all night. True better athletes today but they are much much worse basketball players

    • passerby23 - Jul 30, 2012 at 3:15 AM

      Jordan, Barkley, Pippen, Malone, Drexler, Robinson, and Ewing were great athletes. I don’t understand this “better athletes today” argument. People will point to Stockton, Mullin, Bird, and Laettner as being “non-athletic” but they made up for it with intelligence and creativity (well, maybe not Laettner who went on to have an average career).

      Stockton, Mullin, and Bird would be every bit as effective in today’s game. How many players with average athleticism are there today who are as crafty and heady as these guys were? Dirk is the only guy I can think of. I don’t hear people talking about Dirk struggling in today’s NBA because they are better athletes. It’s nonsense.

  24. sgtpepa67 - Jul 30, 2012 at 2:05 AM

    Today’s team couldn’t beat the 1992 team even if they were spotted 20 points. Today’s wouldn’t beat the 1994 World Basketball championship “Dream Team II”, for that matter. the 1992 team crushed the competition by an average of 43points and averaged, as a team, 117points per game and gave up 74 points per game. There is no way today’s team can put up those numbers. The 2012 Dream Team had trouble early with France and I am sorry, a team this talented should have beaten France by 40 points but they only won by 27. Not impressive at all. The 1992 team was something special that will never be duplicated again.

    1992 Olympics results
    Game USA Points Opponent Points Opponent Point differential

    1 116 48 Angola +68
    2 103 70 Croatia +33
    3 111 68 Germany +43
    4 127 83 Brazil +44
    5 122 81 Spain +41
    6 115 77 Puerto Rico +38
    7 127 76 Lithuania +51
    8 117 85 Croatia +32

  25. vote4ronpaul2012 - Jul 30, 2012 at 2:34 AM

    Ewing is ridiculous for saying the 92 team would win 10 out of 10 times. Lets not forget that this team lost their first scrimmage to a college team led by chris webber. (Yes supposedly the coach blew it on purpose but the players still play and this was legends against college kids.)

    Center- Huge advantage 92 (although I do think Chandler is underrated)
    Power Forward- Huge advantage 92 ( Barkley, Malone….Laettner (haha) (Unless you have a prime Duncan and KG not happening)
    Small Forward- Slight 2012 advantage. (only cause Bird’s body was falling apart. Lebron-Pippen matchup would be awesome)
    Shooting Guard- Large Advantage 92 (Although I think Jordan is now thought of as more untouchable than he should be and people don’t understand/ remember how good Clyde was)
    Point Guard: Large advantage 2012. (Chis Paul is (2nd most valuable after Lebron in the NBA) much better than stockton and an older magic.) Although the 92 team could run Jordan or Pippen at the point.

    I say 92 team 7 games to 3.

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