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Celtics still not expecting Avery Bradley for start of season

Jul 25, 2012, 6:05 PM EDT

Avery Bradley, Nolan Smith AP

Boston will start next season in Miami against the Heat, and a refrain from Celtics fans all summer has been “if we just had Avery Bradley and our injured guys we could have won that series.” I hate the “if we had been healthy” game, in this case because two of Miami’s big three were not healthy either.

That first game in Miami isn’t going to answer the question anyway, because Bradley isn’t likely back.

Players want to be back faster than they should be and Bradley told A. Sherrod Blakely of that he may not be ready to go for the start of training camp. Which is no shock. We’ve known that for a while. But that’s what he said.

“I don’t know anything,” Bradley told in a phone interview. “They just want me to get healthy. That’s all they really tell me. They don’t really give me time frames.”

The Celtics are more cautious.

“We know there’s a possibility that Avery won’t be able to play the first month of the season,” Danny Ainge, Boston’s president of basketball operations, told “So we have to be prepared for that. You never know how these things play out; will it be a month? Or two months? I don’t think it’ll be much longer than that, or he could be back sooner. You try to build a roster where you can get by with any injury, that can sustain you through a short period of time.”

The fantastic offseason Boston has had helps here.

They can slide Courtney Lee right into that defense-first, knock down threes starting role. If you want to play around with adding some offensive punch, Jason Terry is there. Doc Rivers has some options.

And he has the depth to win despite the missed games. Which is a luxury he lacked last year due to a flood of role player injuries.

  1. crconsultoria - Jul 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    Reblogged this on crconsultoria.

  2. j0esixpack - Jul 25, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    I doubt they’d have signed Lee if Bradley were healthy, but in the long run that could work out better.

    I also doubt Allen would have left if he hadn’t lost his starting job to a younger, better Bradley. In the long run that also may work out better for the Celts.

    The constant reminders by Celtics fans regarding the lack of Bradley and Green, not to mention the poor health of Allen and Pierce, is because a certain basketball reporter who shall go unnamed often implies that a healthy Celtics team was lucky to take an injured Heat team to the brink, playing them harder than a younger, healthier OKC.

    With a little more research said reporter might have realized that the Celtics were older and more injured than the Heat, making their accomplishment that much more impressive… And giving a younger and much improved Celtics team a better shot of going deeper this season.

    • barkley4life - Jul 25, 2012 at 6:52 PM

      If you really believe that then you should stop visiting basketball related websites because obviously your not doing so for truth and knowledge. Boston couldn’t beat the Heat up 3 2 at home. With Wade on one knee, Bosh out 3/4 of the series and when it mattered you got destroyed by a one man show and role players. Not to mention you have done nothing in the off season to answer that one question. Whose stopping Lebron? Its not a coincidence that Celtics havent beaten Lebron since Tony Allen left and Paul Pierce and others had to guard him. 45 in Beantown when it mattered and you were never in the final two games AT ALL. Get a clue.

      • j0esixpack - Jul 25, 2012 at 7:52 PM

        You mean a team with an injured Pierce, no starting SG, backup SG playing hurt, plus Rondo and an overworked Garnett playing out of position at Center, couldn’t beat the Heat up 3-2 at home with Bosh, Wade and James all in the lineup?

        No they couldn’t. Are you surprised?

        If you get your news from this site then its understandable why you didn’t know the Celtics had any injuries.

      • giselleisasucubus - Jul 25, 2012 at 8:07 PM

        Give me a break. Bosh played big minutes in games 5,6, and 7, the biggest games of the series. Yes, Boston sucked in GM6, but you talk about Wade on one leg and then call out Joe for his comment? Are you serious? The reason why people bring up Avery Bradley is because he MANHANDLED Wade in the last 3 games of the regular season series. When the Celts lost him, it was a huge loss.
        Now, on the Miami subject- Are you f**king serious w/one man team and role players? Really, because if you think that, YOU should stop visiting these sites because you clearly know nothing about basketball. 2 of the top 5 guys in the world in the same lineup, and Battier playing up to his ability. Bosh went off when he came back. Chalmers is way underrated. Miami is loaded, don’t give me this one-man team crap. Your Tony Allen comment was idiotic too. Allen didn’t cover Lebron during those days. Allen is pushing 6-5 and he plays the 2. Lebron is 6-9 and plays THE 3,4 AND 5. Lebron played some 1 early on, but not in 08. Pierce was younger then and a better defender, and his help/backup was James Posey, NOT TA(did you also forget that Lebron scored 45 in GM7 in 08 and lost?). Jeff Green and Courtney Lee were brought in to help out going forward.
        Last but not least- the Celtics weren’t in Game 7? Really? Wow, I guess I watched a different game, because Boston was leading until late in the 3rd and game was close until 4 minutes to go. Next time you attack someone, have your facts straight.

    • truthhurtstoo - Jul 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM

      celtick fans ALWAYS have excuses…. nothing new here- move along now. Time to take off those green-tinted glasses and get comfortable with 3-4 place finishes

    • barkley4life - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM

      The Heat’s wins, other than Game 2 (4 pt in OT) were 93-79, 98-79, & 101-88. Exactly which ones of this three games were the Heat a bounce or two away from losing?

      Please show me where the numbers say otherwise…lmao.

    • barkley4life - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM

      Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth…now Garnett is playing out of position at Center blah blah blah…but the key to the Celtics run this year was Garnett at Center. BLAH BLAH BLAH…Oh wasn’t Lebron playing POWER FOWARD…


      Even Ray Allen knows that.

      By the way crybaby you were a HORRIBLE referee call away from losing to the Hawks……I bet you forgot about that.

      Suddenly an OLDER Pierce and Garnett over an 82 game season are going to be rejuvenated? Bradley owning Wade? Wade was an up and down player the entire playoffs.

      Again….PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE CELTICS stop Lebron, if you mention Pierce Bass Daniels you know crap about basketball. You have no answer for him at the 3 or 4. Gm4 he single handedly destroyed from the baseline, the wing, the top of the key, in transition, on defense.

      And crybaby don’t whine about injuries when you were up 3-2 at home.

      Bosh played 14 mins in Gm5. He started GM6 and 7 and you got massacred. You lose in 5 or get swept if he starts Gm1.

      But yeah make up more theories etc. when the FACT is you lost and were BLOWN OUT IN ALL YOUR LOSSES.

      • j0esixpack - Jul 26, 2012 at 5:01 PM

        Obsess much?

        I’m getting the feeling that bozosforall has changed his screen name after being humiliated with his trash talk and predictions this season.

        You may find “crybaby” is some trash talk that impresses Middle School kids but it doesn’t exactly do much for your reputation around here.

        I’m zen with the age and abilities of Pierce, Garnett and the rest of a much improved team.

        I’m just trying to set the record straight with a certain “reporter” who often implies that a strong and healthy Celtics team only did as well in the playoffs because the Heat were injured – never mentioning the much more significant injuries and absences of the Celtics.

        Any unbiased reporter wouldn’t make that mistake. It’s the distinction between news/sports-talk and journalism.

  3. misterdreamer119 - Jul 25, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Without “what ifs” in sports your wesite wouldnt exist.

  4. passerby23 - Jul 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    @ Kurt Helin

    You know I’m a regular reader and poster on here. I have to call you out everytime you do it because it just looks so bad. You continually state that you hate the “what if” game, but constantly apply it to the Heat. If “what ifs” are stupid and irrelevant, then don’t apply it all. “If Bosh and Wade were healthy, it would’ve negated Boston’s injuries” is basically what you’re saying.

    1. Boston’s bench scoring was atrocious. Green wouldn’t have helped?
    2. Bradley was a lockdown defender who bothered Wade a lot. He wouldn’t have helped?
    3. Boston had no depth behind KG. Wilcox wouldn’t have helped?
    4. Wade’s knee problems seemed rather non-existent from the middle of the Indiana series on after it was drained. Let’s suppose it wasn’t. Couldn’t you just as easily say Pierce’s and Wade’s injuries cancel each other out?
    5. Can you really say that Ray Allen hobbling around on one leg wasn’t a factor?
    6. Can you at least acknowledge that Bosh played almost half the series where Bradley, Green, and Wilcox played none?

    In the final analysis, Bosh missed 4 games that might’ve impacted the series. Boston missed their most valuable defender, a shooter who was playing to about 60% of his ability, their leading scorer who was hurt, a 15/game scorer who didn’t play all season, and an experienced, valuable big who didn’t play at all and honestly say that “what if” is a wash?

    If Steve Blake and Devin Ebanks were injured and OKC was missing James Harden and Russell Westbrook and the Lakers won the series, would you say the “what if” game is not worth applying?

    • Kurt Helin - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      I’ll continue to say that Miami’s injuries impacted them WAY more than Boston’s.

      • jjordannba - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        Your a scrub man, you make no sense. Get off your Becky-Necky Knee Pads and write a non-bias article you are the worst writer for this site but yet your the most frequent one. Try to learn from Matt Moore man

      • barkley4life - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:36 PM

        Kurt your using common sense in your argument. Suddenly Avery Bradley became the second coming of the greatest lock down guard in history. Basketball is simple…the TEAM WITH THE BEST PLAYER ON THE COURT WON!

        Celtic fans bring up role playing guards like that’s what was going to erase the biggest problem. From the post the Celtics had no answer for Lebron James. He just listed 6 points and not one mentioned they had no answer in defending Lebron.

        45PTS….GM6 AT HOME…yup…it was all those role players that didn’t play that affected 4 BLOWOUT LOSSES

      • passerby23 - Jul 26, 2012 at 3:09 PM

        Then you simply aren’t being honest with yourself and your readers. You say you hate “what ifs” and then implicitly suggest, “IF Miami and Boston were both healthy, Miami would’ve had a major advantage.” Ok, then why do you use “what ifs” if you hate them?

        Was Wade THAT injured? He looked pretty damn good in Game 7. Wade had 20, 23, 27, and 27 points in 4 games. Two sub-par games were the game were they were being trounced anyway and Lebron’s monstrous Game 6 where NOBODY else was needed. He had legitimately two poor games, one of which was a game where the outcome was never really in doubt. Bosh played 3 games and hit four 3’s in Game 7. I just don’t see where Wade dropped off his normal production excluding the first half of the Indiana series where he clearly looked out of sorts and a healthy Bosh played 3 games.


        4 blowout losses? I didn’t know losing an overtime thriller by 4 points that could’ve gone either way was considered a blowout these days.

        Bradley would’ve made a big difference given his ability to guard Wade and the fact that Allen – the only other playing SG – was limping around. And it’s not just Bradley, they had a lot of injuries.

        Lebron’s greatness, at the end of the day, is what won that series and the Finals.

      • j0esixpack - Jul 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

        Sorry Kurt – passerby23 p’wned you on this one

        But I’ll take your view as a positive endorsement of just how strong the Celtics are

        They played with only 1 healthy member of their aging Big Three, and without Bradley, Green and Wilcox, pushing a much younger Heat team – playing only part of the series without 1 of their young Big Three – to 7 games.

        I’m just pleased that you’ve actually acknowledged that the Celtics were injured at all

        Meanwhile I think we all should step back and appreciate that a team as old and injured as the Heat were able to be so dominant against a young talented team like OKC!

    • passerby23 - Jul 26, 2012 at 3:15 PM

      @ barkley4life

      Do you remember when Lebron dropped 45 on Boston in Game 7 of the 2008 series and LOST? You remember the run Lebron had in taking the Cavs to the Finals in 2007 and they LOST?

      There’s no doubt he was the MVP of the playoffs and the ultimate difference maker, but just his production is not enough to dismiss all the points I raised. They didn’t need to stop Lebron to win the series. Nobody has an answer for him. They needed Bradley to contain Wade and they needed a couple of bigs to spell Garnett. That COULD’VE been the difference in the series.

      And I’m not even saying Boston is the better team, the only point I’m making is about the “what ifs.” You can’t dismiss it with a one-liner and THEN use “what ifs” to support your argument (Kurt Helin).

  5. misterdreamer119 - Jul 25, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    When does preseason start. im tired of miopic Heats fans. Dallas kicked your asses last year. Thunders were scared this year. We will se October 30th. Go Celtics.

  6. naterich21 - Jul 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    3 months until the season. FFS…….i can’t freakin wait

  7. dimiandmac1 - Jul 25, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    You say 2 of miami’s big three weren’t healthy…Either was boston’s 2, paul pierce was playing on bad knees and ray allen was playing on half an ankle…those gamea they won were kg and rondo thats it! So yea biston fans should feel optimistic and excited for a healthg 2013 season

    • barkley4life - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM

      So your saying that if Garnett or Pierce didn’t play until Gm5 that it doesnt matter. As soon as Bosh went to the 5 in Gm6 GM7 and Lebron played the 4 Celtics got their ass beat. Enough already its basketball common sense you had no answer for the best player on their team and he obliterated you. No one they had injured could guard them. He tore through Pierce, Bass, Daniels, Pietrus. GAME SET MATCH.

  8. dimiandmac1 - Jul 25, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    Sorry for the typos I bought a new phone and im using the touch screen keyboard for the first time

  9. 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    How long do we have to listen to the “if only”s regarding the Heat/Celtics series? You know with a bounce one way or the other, the Heat very easily could have won that series in 5 right? You know in 3 of your losses you were blown out, right?

    Last year is over. The “Shop Miami Heat Championship Gear” box on the top right corner of this page says so.

    By the way. Was in Boston last week for a few days. Loved it. You folks have a wicked awesome city.

    • scalfor3 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:29 AM

      with a bounce or two the C’s could have easily won in 5 too. heat fans really cant admit how close that series really was

      • truthhurtstoo - Jul 26, 2012 at 7:42 AM

        not likely

      • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 26, 2012 at 8:52 AM

        Boston played great. But seriously? A bounce or two and the C’s would have won in 5?

        The Heat’s wins, other than Game 2 (4 pt in OT) were 93-79, 98-79, & 101-88. Exactly which ones of this three games were the Heat a bounce or two away from losing?

        By contrast, other than Game 3 (10 pt win), the Celtics wins were 93-91 (with Wade’s buzzer beating 3 rimming out) and 94-90.

        Enough already.

      • barkley4life - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM

        No basketball fans know that it wasn’t close. How do you lose the last two games IN BLOWOUT FASHION and say otherwise.

      • scalfor3 - Jul 26, 2012 at 5:02 PM

        well, a bounce or two in game 2 wouldve swung that game to boston. if the C’s had won that, they would’ve won in 5. of course there are tons of variables that go into any one game, let alone a playoff series, but the facts are that the heat narrowly won (lets not forget the C’s led game 7 for most of the first 3 quarters).

        i just find it annoying that miami fans can’t admit how close it was, i have no problem admitting a few bad bounces couldve put the sixers in over us

  10. dmckella1 - Jul 26, 2012 at 8:33 AM

    Seriously guys, who cares how close the series was? Do you think Garnett gets a smaller ring for effort? The Heat won, it’s over, time to look forward. JoeSixPack, do you really think the Celtics would have given a four year contract out, just to cover for a month without Bradley? Get your heads on straight guys.

  11. 13champlain - Jul 26, 2012 at 8:43 AM

    Get him healthy. Celtics are a playoff team and are deep in that position this year. The primary goal of the C’s this year (as in every year since 08) is simply to get to the playoffs healthy. Seeding should be the second goal.

  12. barkley4life - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    I also love how now that Ray Allen isn’t a Celtic that he is of little consequence and Avery and Courtney Lee pick up the slack easy. If you know basketball you even if Allen is missing, running off of screens etc eliminates one defender and opens up the entire court.

    Common basketball sense shows you the teams that give the Heat the most trouble are anyone that can attack the paint out of the post. Celtics are even MORE of a perimeter oriented team then ever. Not to mention your banking your entire season on a healthy Kevin Garnett(who is a monster but an old one). He spends ANY time on the injured list and you will be fighting for your playoffs lives.

  13. j0esixpack - Jul 27, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Passerby23 p’wned Kurt!

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