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With Lin out, Felton told he will be Knicks starting point

Jul 17, 2012, 9:45 PM EDT

Mike D'Antoni, Raymond Felton

This is the thing that should make Knicks fans nervous about Jeremy Lin being allowed to walk off to the Rockets — the two point guards left on the Knicks roster were not really good last year.

Felton was out of shape, turned the ball over nearly on nearly 20 percent of the possessions he used, shot 40 percent overall and 30 percent from three, and was nothing like the guy most Knicks fans remember from the fall of 2010. There is a reason the Trail Blazers wanted him gone. Jason Kidd is 39, can’t defend much any more and while he can knock down threes and has an undoubtedly high hoop IQ, his ability to execute what he needs to do is fading.

But those are your guys, and Felton is your starter according to a tweet from Marc Berman of the New York Post (via Sulia).

As we reported, Felton was promised starting PG guard when he signed, with Kidd as backup. Felton, Kidd, Spanish League warhorse Pablo Prigioni as third string will be fine. Unsure of Linsanity clamor once Felton came aboard. Why create an uncomfortable logjam filled with controversy. That’s not exactly what feel-good Disney Movie from last February/March was about. That was an unforgettable moment in time and would never be same. It passed when Lin redid offer sheet.

The on the court gamble the Knicks took is this: That the 26 games that Lin played for the Knicks were a bit of a mirage and he would not be as good with Carmelo Anthony dominating the ball. And they bet that Raymond Felton can return to form, not All-Star form but average form with some threes would be good enough.

A lot of Knicks fans don’t like that gamble. I can’t blame them, I wouldn’t have made it either.

  1. scoregasmic - Jul 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    I would make that gamble every time why waste money on Lin? He would have been so overpaid and Carmelo is gonna run the point anyway

    • saint1997 - Jul 18, 2012 at 2:31 AM

      You’re going to get hate from Lin fanatics but you’re right. I’m a Knicks fan but you have to make that decision there I think that if Raymond comes back fit it is a better decision. I’d choose Lin over Felt because of youth and potential but for that money you just can’t

  2. lefthand3 - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    we need john wall… NYC

  3. doctorfootball - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    You gotta love the Knicks front office. They hurt themselves every chance they get. Dolan and company make things so much easier for the other franchises. I don’t know if Lin is superstar material. But I do know that Kidd is no longer a star, and their new starter, Felton, is an average player. They should have kept Lin. The “Poison Pill” in year 3 of Lin’s contract wouldn’t have stopped the Knicks from getting new players anyway. The Knicks are going to be capped out even without Lin’s contract in the 3rd year. So this is all about what the owner is willing or not willing to spend on the Luxury Tax. I’ll bet Prokhorov would have matched. Dolan is a fool.

    • drunkenjunk - Jul 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM

      So true man. I’m not sold on Lin at all but I would have to sign him to that deal. The marketing alone would offset any of the luxury tax they’d have to pay. The main thing is even if Lin is just alright he’ll still be better than Felton and Kidd just can’t play that many minutes anymore. He’s old and doesn’t have that much to offer on the floor.

      • trybe29dr - Jul 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM

        How do marketing dollars help the team win a championship? Man u guys have a short memory raymond felton was 17 points and 7 assists a game in 2010 for NY. Thats what Lin has in a small 25 game sample…and being capped out is different than being over the cap the knicks were facing a $16m tax hit on Lins contract alone…why pay that for Lin?

      • Kurt Helin - Jul 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM

        First, that was a different offense for Felton in NYC. Second, he was terrible last year in Portland, out of shape and lazy. Depends on which Felton you get.

      • drunkenjunk - Jul 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM

        The thing is the Knicks only had to pay him 5 mil each of the first 2 years. They could of taken him off the books in the 3rd year if it hadn’t worked out. Not saying Lin is gonna bring them to a championship, just feel he is the same or could be better than Felton. Felton showed nothing last year.

    • saint1997 - Jul 18, 2012 at 2:32 AM

      Why do I support a franchise with such a cheapo owner! Get me the Russian billionaires hotline!

    • gmen4life33 - Jul 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM

      As a Knicks fan, I couldnt agree more. If not Lin, then someone else’s contracts will put us in the tax. It’s not Lin’s fault Melo and Stat are getting paid 23+ million each that year.

      I think this was about ego more than anything. Dolan didn’t like Lin redoing the deal with Houston, and Lin only do that because he didn’t like Dolan not negotiating with him directly (told Lin to go out and get an offer and that NYK would let market dictate his price). Dolan didn’t want to get taken advantage of, so he let him go. I personally thought he was just scaring Lin for redoing the offer sheet with HOU, but I was clearly wrong

      I hope Dolan realizes that if Lin becomes a star, and Felton struggles, that will be the last straw. Knicks fans put up with 10 years of absolute joke basketball and decision making, and still supported our team strongly. But I this backfires that’s it, boycott of Knicks until Dolan sells.

  4. jagwar73 - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    carMElo Anthony 8-27 (2-6 on 3s) from the floor, 8-11 from the line, 26 pts, 8 boards, 2 assists, and some D in 39 min. Another Knick loss as Denver rolls. Loved that move also… Good luck Jeremy!

  5. andyhr17 - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    They had to get Felton. With Baron Davis going down they were in desperate need of a fat point guard.

    • bougin89 - Jul 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      2 thumbs up on this comment

  6. dirtyjerseysports - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    The Knicks just let there last claim to NYC walk out the door.
    Looks like Jay-Z was right the city is his

    • dirtyjerseysports - Jul 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

      *their

  7. djlexluger - Jul 17, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Stop being prisoners of the moment the kid has done nothing to garner that type of contract. Don’t blame him for taking it, dont blame the Knicks for letting him go.

  8. trybe29dr - Jul 17, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    Not sure why people are down on felton. He fits in pretty well in with the knicks. Iso with melo or the pick and role that worked so well with felton and amare. Kidd isnt getting big minutes so honestly it doesnt matter if hes no longer a star. I certainly dont care about luxury tax or penalties since im not paying it, but when u consider Lin willingly re-did the deal so the knicks couldnt match tells u one thing…he didnt want to be in NY. Besides why pay Lin among the Elite PG of the league when he isnt an elite PG in the league? This didnt make basketball sense and i dont care about the business aspect of Lin…i want championships and huge sponsor dollars doesnt bring that

    • knightrider1755 - Jul 18, 2012 at 6:26 AM

      and neither do the New York Knicks. lol

      • truthhurtstoo - Jul 18, 2012 at 7:04 AM

        nets>nicks

  9. jmmsr1 - Jul 18, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    Come on you all know it… Dolan and management screwed this mess to the post. Stop making excuses… At the end do the day Kidd is too old and Felton is a never was.

  10. yousuxxors - Jul 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM

    i love lin but that signing would be for potential which what the knicks would of done usually. wish they disnt redo the offer but whatever. dont think he will ever be a bash rondo paul williams good. he probably would of been felton knicks at best.

  11. yousuxxors - Jul 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM

    they prob hoping felton cam bring stat back to 2010 form

  12. andyreidisfat - Jul 18, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    I don’t get it. I would have kept Lin and just traded him after year two if he didn’t pan out. The first two years of the deal were low cap hits and the third year at 15 would have made a nice trade chip for some team looking to get rid of salary with expiring contracts.

    • bougin89 - Jul 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      You just contradicted yourself though. If Lin isn’t a good player after two years you can’t trade him unless you take on a bad contract or contracts which would still leave the Knicks in luxury tax hell.

  13. brucet4ace - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    Dolan and the Knicks management handled this whole situation clumsily and unprofessionally. If they wanted to keep Lin up front, they should have made him an offer before he went on the market to find out his maximum worth. If I didn’t know better, I would think they are rank amateurs. But, from a pure basketball point of view, it is easy to see both sides. I actually do think an in-shape and motivated Raymond Felton is slightly better than Jeremy Lin though Lin has more upside. The combo of Felton/Kidd should be decent for us and I think they will be more successful playing with Melo and Amare. But what I will miss the most from Lin is the excitement and energy he brought to the game and the way he got everybody involved in the offense. As an example, Landry Fields looked like a much better player playing with Lin. He truly made his teammates better and made the Knicks a lot more fun to watch and cheer for. I wish you all the best Jeremy Lin!

  14. atahualpaoxford - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    Mark my words: I’ll bet you dollar to cents that, before long, the argentinian guy, Prigioni, will be the back up of Felton…

  15. malcom1985 - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Even if Lin was being overpaid, Lin has more of an upside than either Kidd or Felton. Lin is young, already talented, and simply needs time to grow, learn, and execute. You see flashes of what he can do, and could become a true superstar in the league. The potential is there, and he is already bringing you money on a flat bed without being the star on the team.

    New York had already completely embraced Jeremy Lin. Fans were once again excited to go to MSG to see the Knicks, or more precisely, Jeremy Lin play. When the Knicks were in god awful shape, when Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler couldn’t win a game to save their lives, Lin put them back into the headlines. Jeremy Lin literally went from nothing to a marketable brand in three weeks. And then the Knicks just let him, and all the money that goes with Linsanity, walk right out the door. Doesn’t make any sense from a business stand point when you stand to MAKE money keeping him around.

    • jolink653 - Jul 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM

      Of course because that makes sense in all ways which is why James Dolan didn’t do it…There are times that I want to just go to MSG and drop my jerseys on the steps and give it up because it’s so frustrating having a total idiot for an owner, and what’s worse is that he knows it and just doesn’t care…We had something going with the team and then he bids against himself to get Carmelo, gutting an up and coming roster for a one-way player who needs the ball in his hands every possession…We get something going with Lin and, after all the money thrown at other idiots who were past their prime or just bad to begin with, he lets Lin walk (WITHOUT EVEN GETTING ANY COMPENSATION)…So now we get to look forward to our All Star roster circa 2003 getting on the floor, winning maybe 45 games if we’re lucky, and going down in the first round AGAIN…But this time we’ll win two games and they’ll say it’s a step in the right direction

  16. truths4all - Jul 18, 2012 at 1:55 AM

    The Knicks will NEVER win a championship with Carmelo the Ball Hog since he makes every game a 1 (himself) against 5 contest. His game evens hurts Stodemire from be able to dominate the paint. Hey Knicks, welcome back to being the cellar-dwellers of the NBA!

  17. aht66 - Jul 18, 2012 at 2:24 AM

    The Knicks are using good business sense here. The Jeremy Lin story was a great headline in New York. Not just for basketball, but for everyone that ever dreamed of making it to the bright lights and big stage. He took advantage of his spotlight and parlayed that into a nice 3 year deal.
    Everyone wants to look at the Knicks, and make them the bad guys for not resigning Lin. And sure the Knicks could have offered Lin an extension or restructed the contract that he had when they signed him off waivers. But the whole issue with his bird rights/early bird rights made them hesitate. I could only imagine there were some questions surrounding his injury as well. All though he was maybe 85% ready to return the fact that he sat out of the entire 1st round of the playoffs when the team had no other options at pointguard spoke volumes.No one ever suggested he should place his basketball future in jepardy, but that was the platyoffs.
    What about the foolishness of Houston offering to pay him 25 million for 3yrs after they waived him in the hopes that Lowery and or Dragic would be a better option. Its now that those 2 point guards have found other teams to play for that the Rockets had to throw big money at a virtually untested player. Yes Lin has basketball skills! Nobody drops 38 points on Kobe and the Lakers without that. And he will continue to grow as a player. But when he first hit the big stage at the Garden, no one knew anything about him.There was no film to study. As teams started to collect data on the promising young unknown point guard from Harvard it became easier to shut him down.Teams set up their defense to sworn in on Lin and make him go left. This proved to be very effective! The once sensational point guard from Harvard was being exposed for the exact reasons he went undrafted and sat the bench at Golden State and Houston beofre being waived by both teams. His time with the Knicks was also coming to an end. Had it not been for Carmelo Anthony, the same player that everyone slams for not liking or wanting to play with Lin suggested to than Head coach D’Antoni to give Lin a shot and put him in against the Nets.

  18. Chris Ross - Jul 18, 2012 at 3:05 AM

    I can’t believe Felton is an upgrade over Lin. Felton struggled after leaving D’Antoni’s system for the past 2 years. Now people expect that he can come back to run a brand new Mike Woodson offense and mesh really well with Carmelo Anthony? I don’t think so.

    http://chrisross91.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/no-lin-situation/

    • florida727 - Jul 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      Does anybody “mess well” with Carmelo Anthony?

      • florida727 - Jul 18, 2012 at 9:11 AM

        “mesh” obviously, sorry…

  19. nokoolaidcowboy - Jul 18, 2012 at 5:50 AM

    To those that believe Lin knowingly allowed the Houston offer to be restructured so the Knicks could not meet it, that Lin is being disloyal, etc…

    Did you really think that Lin could walk back into that toxic locker room with Anthony and Smith bad mouthing his offer? These two even went as far as to throw out there that a lot of dudes would not be happy with his contract.

    He is better off playing on a team that doesn’t have a Diva or jealous knuckleheads like these two.

    I wish him luck, and Houston is going to have a marketing and ticket sales bonanza coming their way like they haven’t seen in awhile. And Lin will not have to play knowing that Carmelo and his porn mustache will be snickering when he makes his rookie mistakes.

  20. cantonbound13 - Jul 18, 2012 at 6:23 AM

    Felton better be in shape

    • knightrider1755 - Jul 18, 2012 at 6:28 AM

      Hope is not watching his weight by looking in the mirror.

    • andyhr17 - Jul 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM

      Round is a shape.

  21. bmoresabres - Jul 18, 2012 at 6:29 AM

    Lin was good during his short stint. However, the Knicks were sagacious in not lavishing a large contract on a still unproven commodity.

  22. trybe29dr - Jul 18, 2012 at 7:18 AM

    Here’s what u Lin guys are missing. You think that his 25 game preview is his baseline performance ei, the floor of his actual talents. When in all actuality its closer to his ceiling. I like Lin, thanks for giving this team what they actually needed last year. But to pay a player as a top 5 PG, when its still not proven hes a top 5 PG is assinine and doesnt serve as a basketball move. Lin is with a team in a basic rebuilding situation where he has to be the star and the #1 scoring option when Martin isnt on the floor. Ill be interested to see how he does. Congrats on him getting his payday, wish him luck, but u cant tie up those type of dollars to a guy that has less than 1/3 of a season under his belt…too much can go wrong

  23. deeballer - Jul 18, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    As a Heat fan, I love watching Knicks management at work. Lin is a cash cow and they let it walk out the door. This is the best situation for Lin though. Not enough ball in MSG with the black hole (Melo) occupying all the time. Woodson probably wouldn’t have given Lin the same freedom that D’Antoni did and that would have made him look like an average or below average point guard. He’s better off somewhere else. Seems like Knicks management and players are mad at the kid because he outwitted them in business and on the basketball court.

    • cantonbound13 - Jul 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM

      Nice to hear from David Stern on the subject.

  24. ebrownwareagle - Jul 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Stop IT! Couple of points to make.
    A) If Mario Chalmers SHUT YOU DOWN! You ARE NOT IT!
    B) Lin is not a cash cow… MSG tickets sales was already sold out the last 2years. So ticket sales are there. So people say they can corner the Asian market. Again Wrong! Even if the Knicks do get a strong Following in China; ALL THE TEAMS, Again ALL 30 teams in the league spit the money! The Knicks only capitalize on direct online merchandise sales and at MSG! Smart move NY! Lin can only impact teams with marginal ticket sales who need the remaining seats to be filled with the Asian community and J Linsanity Fans.

    • eshine76 - Jul 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      Lin isn’t a cash cow? Check out this article with charts on the MSG stock price.

      http://observer.com/2012/07/msg-stock-jeremy-lin-effect-leaving-07172012/

      Dolan owns a bunch of MSG.

      Let’s also not forget that a TV deal can be negotiated overseas to exclusively show Rockets games… that’s quite a bit of money too.

      You’re right, revenue from ticket sales is marginal.

  25. dysraw1 - Jul 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

    not to worried about Ray he knows that this maybe his last chance to be in charge of his own team, if he blows it then at least he had a crack at being the man again. whats important is that he get those 10 dimes a game

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