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Dwight Howard trade talks stall with Cleveland out as third team

Jul 10, 2012, 2:19 PM EDT

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If Dwight Howard is going to be a Brooklyn Net anytime soon, either Magic and Nets are going to have to find another team to facilitate this or they are going to have to figure out a two-team trade. Something they have been unable to do for a year.

Talks are still going on to complete Dwight Howard blockbuster trade to the Brooklyn Nets but the Cleveland Cavaliers are now out of the picture, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports and the NBC Sports Network. That makes this deal much harder to pull off because the Magic want cap relief and the Nets do not want to take on the deals of both Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries. ESPN reports that the Bobcats have been mentioned as a potential third trading partner, although they have a long way to go.

Cleveland could be out in part because they could not come to an agreement with Humphries on a sing-and-trade. Cleveland had wanted to do a one-year deal, Humphries was thinking four and the two sides apparently could not reach a compromise.

But there may be more to it, ESPN reports.

Multiple league executives told on Sunday that there is growing reluctance among some teams to participate in the sort of three-team deal that would get Howard to Brooklyn, amid some league wide dissatisfaction that the Los Angeles Lakers were able to swing a deal for Steve Nash last week.

Being the cog in creating another super team in Brooklyn, with Deron Williams and Joe Johnson already in the mix, is not palatable to some teams concerned about competitive balance.

“You can talk about the new (luxury) tax all you want, but if the Lakers get Nash and the Nets get Howard, then what did the new CBA accomplish?” one GM said. “You have to realize part of long-term planning is making sure you don’t help create teams you can’t beat.”

While this deal teeters and may fall, the Magic continued to talk to other teams, reports ESPN. The Lakers and Rockets were interested but not close to a deal, still talks are going on. But they are a long way from reality.

  1. sufferingbirdsfan - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    lets end this now and send him to the sixers

    • florida727 - Jul 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

      “…is not palatable to some teams concerned about competitive balance.”

      What will they say next year when he’s a free agent, can go anywhere he wants without restriction, and THEN signs with the Nets? Make the trade. Get over it. Face it, the guy holds the cards. At least in a trade, Orlando can hopefully get something of value. If he stays and walks next year, they get nothing.

  2. hscribner - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    This deal will get done way or another.

    If not, then Howard ends up in Houston — no way owners/Stern allow Dwight to Lakers. If Stern vetoed CP3, then he’ll veto Howard.

    Dwight will have a run-of-the-mill/no playoff season, become a free agent and sign with Brooklyn next season.

    End of story.

    • adfranco - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      First, NBA does not own the Magic like they own the Hornets. Therefore, Stern would have no say over where Howard goes. However, looks like other GMs will have a say, which will make it hard to get a 3rd team involved.
      Secondly, Dwight can’t sign with the Nets next season since they have no cap space because of the Joe Johnson trade.
      The Magic should just let the jerk walk next year knowing full well he won’t be able to go where he wants to go if he becomes a free agent. What’s the worst that can happen? The Magic sucks the next season and gets a high lottery pick.

      • hscribner - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:51 PM

        Thanks for the response and spotting my error. Forgot the Hornets were owned by the NBA at the time.

      • tsi431 - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:53 PM

        The NBA, as far as I know, does not have a hard cap. A team can spend as much as they feel, as long as, they are willing to pay the luxury tax. The Nets will make a bunch more money off Dwight then they will pay in the luxury tax.

      • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 10, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        tsi, there used to be a hard cap in addition to the soft cap in the days of the old CBA, but they’re phasing that out and replacing it with the MLB-style graduated luxury tax. Which absolutely gives an advantage to larger market teams with more cash, so I have no idea why small market owners who want to prevent super teams would agree to the change, but they did.

      • vikes69 - Jul 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM

        false! According to the CBA Stern has the power to veto any trade or free agent signing he deems unfair

      • Kurt Helin - Jul 15, 2012 at 8:52 PM

        Technically correct, there is a “good of the game” clause, but he has never used it and it would have to be a horrific trade for him to do it. Remember it was not Stern as commissioner that voided the CP3 trade, it was Stern as defacto Hornets owner.

    • badintent - Jul 10, 2012 at 6:29 PM

      NO. The GMs can take a flyer on his bad back and bad attitude and let him go to China, play with Starbury, Chinese officials fined him $5 million for missing practices, then he comes back , a grown up , a real man and signs with Knicks and they destroy Fakers.. End of the real story………………….”.And then I woke up and realized it was all a bad dream”…………J.R. Smith and his mommy.

  3. ningenito78 - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    More guys should do sing and trades.

    • CJ - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM

      they happen so rarely because it’s difficult to harmonize the interests of so many parties… Too often both GMs and the agent are all singing to different tunes… Makes it tough to strike a chord…

      • jbk1234 - Jul 10, 2012 at 5:15 PM

        Agreed. You look at reports having Humphries agreeing to a one year deal and then his agent (who is also Howard’s agent) says that is not the case. The people who want the deal to happen sell the Cavs on a one year deal without squaring it with Humphries first.

  4. magicbucs - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    I kinda hope now he has to play some of the season with the magic so he can hear the boos from his use to be beloved fans. Or trade him to a team in Israel for some cash and weapons lol

    • badintent - Jul 10, 2012 at 6:37 PM

      I like the weapons part !! The Oduma adminstration gave a few thousand Auto guns to Mexican drug lords via ATP screwup, then Holder covered it all up………Not so much.Of course that was nothing to the $$ billions LBJ ‘s wife made with her shipping company sending thousands of cargo ships to Vietnam full of weapons, tanks, etc for many years.Takes a Democratic to write the book that Cheney read for Iraq “Are ya taking notes, I’m in the house, holding court.”…………………….Judge Joe Brown;.

  5. thatstinks - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    If I’m Danny Ferry I’m getting mom on the phone , ” Mother Howard why does Dwight want to be so far from you ? ” .

  6. dutchman45 - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Howard has abad back. Whatch out what u trade for

    • berto55 - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:53 PM

      I wonder if he really hurt it playing basketball or in his A Cappella group.

  7. 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:51 PM


    The trifecta of “I got Rick Sund Fired”, “I made Jerry Sloan Quit”, and “I Got Otis Smith AND Stan Van Gundy Fired”? That’s a “superteam”?

    (Yes, I’m being snarky. Yes, I’m trying to piss you off. Yes, I’m posting wayyyyyyy too much)

    • pl4tinum514 - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      Only difference is, on Prokhorov Nets, owner fires you.

      • badintent - Jul 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        owner sends you to Siberian salt mine……… never seen again .

    • truthhurtstoo - Jul 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM

      Bad karma for Dwight….. can’t say he doesn’t deserve it though

  8. jolink653 - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    “Cleveland could be out in part because they could not come to an agreement with Humphries on a sing-and-trade.”

    yeaa that kris humphries doesn’t seem like he would have much of a singing voice

    • heat256 - Jul 10, 2012 at 2:58 PM

      Sometimes the writing on this site is so bad I wonder if they employ high schoolers.

      • lphboston - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:56 PM

        The writing is not so bad, but Helin has no clue about punctuation or grammar. Most of his posts include run-on sentences. It’s OK for people posting comments, but he really needs an editor to check his stuff before he hits the enter button.

    • miamatt - Jul 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM

      yeah, I can’t remember the last ‘sing and trade’ deal that came to fruition since the Van Halen fiasco.

  9. mrlitl - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    @ CJ dude that’s hilarious!

  10. obijuan13 - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    Kris Humphries was already a “Rent-A-Husband”, so he probably didn’t want to be a “Rent-A-Player” too.

  11. adzs - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    I can picture it now
    Dan Gilbert : We’re gonna help the Nets form ANOTHER superteam? Not on my watch….pull the f*** out lool

  12. ccshocktalk - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Orlando should just find some talent in Toronto and send his @$$ packing eh!

  13. rickyspanish - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    CJ dude

    Are you Woody Paige?

  14. rickyspanish - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    CJ dude

    Are you Woody Paige?

  15. bassstuf - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    How about Iguodala and Vucevic for Howard. Iggy I think has an option next year, so Orlando isnt locked into something long term and Sixers could try to get him to stay or if he walks…just money off the books to make a splash next year.

  16. fm31970 - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Mark Cuban is smiling now. You know he’d rent him for a season.

  17. mannyicey - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Dwight Howard will be “playing” for the Magic next year. He’s going to go at half-speed and get hurt. He’s going into the Free Agent market next year and get paid. He may or may not join the Nets next year, because other teams will have more money. And they may be big markets, too.

    So right now, I’ll be shocked if he signs for anyone. I mean, why mortgage your future to rent Dwight Howard for a few months?

  18. ihavecomplaints - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    What beef do these bitch-ass execs have with the Lakers getting Steve Nash? It was a fair deal, nothing shady about it.

  19. reupjosh - Jul 10, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    @ CJ wins for best comment. Next story Kurt… and don’t be afraid to proof read.

  20. ljl2 - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Before the Cavs hate (which will inevitably come) takes bloom, Jason Lloyd (local Cavs beat writer) has been saying for days that all this talk has been coming out of Nets’ and Howard’s camps. Cavs were only in preliminary discussions and not even as close to a deal as they were letting people believe.

    • pl4tinum514 - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

      Not surprising, given that anything beyond a “1 year deal” for Humphries to get that pick was out of the question. And there’s no way in HELL that Humphries should ever agree to a 1 year deal at this point.

      • ljl2 - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        Agreed. The deal would have done nothing to help the Cavs. Tied up money for when they were ready to spend, a worthless pick at the end of the 1st round. Not worth the Cavs time.

      • jbk1234 - Jul 10, 2012 at 5:18 PM

        It will be interesting to see what Humphries ends up getting on the open market. I read somewhere else that teams are offering one and two year deals now.

      • jbk1234 - Jul 10, 2012 at 5:20 PM

        They should trade him for Bret Farve. I heard he might being coming out of retirement.

  21. cantonbound13 - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    Please make this end, send him anywhere.

  22. koloofai - Jul 10, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    Kurt you useless idiot.. Sing and trade? They pay you to write crap like this? You give useless journalists everywhere hope

  23. badintent - Jul 10, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    stop abusing Kurt, he has a job, you don’t , that why you post here. I’m a retired
    sports agent, and I hate Scott Boras. I hear he trying to sign hoopers now, he’s blacklisted with most MLB teams.I can hear his pitch now, ” I got an A-Rod sign bat, you can use it on your coach if you don’t get minutes”

  24. thetooloftools - Jul 10, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    I just don’t want to see another “tainted” championship like Miami’s.
    I’m glad Cleveland walked away from helping another team “collude” to be contenders.
    Miami will always have an * next to it’s title.
    If the commish shot down the Chris Paul trade, he could have SMASHED the Miami trade after Chis Bosh basically admitted they colluded during the Olympics.
    It all getting rigged.

  25. fmlizard - Jul 11, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Its bound to happen through FA or trade so may as well get him to his precious big market by making his new team pay up to Orlando.

    If I were a small market team rebuilding (like Cleveland) I would be all over facilitating these deals, getting a little bit better each time I helped one go through and waiting to win my own superstars in the lotto. Basically, the OKC model.

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