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Big day for Ray: Allen set to meet with Heat Thursday

Jul 5, 2012, 8:20 AM EDT

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Miami has put on the full court press to lure Ray Allen to the Heat.

Wednesday that included Dwyane Wade tweeting:

2morrow is a big day for#HeatNation..

A tweet that was retweeted and added to by LeBron James.

Thursday is the day Allen meets with Heat brass and discusses joining the Heat.

Memphis has offered Allen the mid-level exception ($5 million), the Timberwolves and Clippers have spoke to him as well, but the conventional wisdom is this is a two horse race — Boston or Miami.

Boston is offering two years at $6 million a year, but they are also offering a comfort level and familiarity. Which is huge for Ray Allen, a creature of routine. But the Celtics started Avery Bradley at the two last year and just agreed to a deal with Jason Terry, giving them a lot of guards in the rotation.

Miami will offer $3 million a year for three years (the mini mid-level, which is the most they can offer). They also will offer a lot of minutes in a small-ball rotation and they offer a serious shot at a ring — we saw in Game 5 of the finals how hard the Heat are to beat when their supporting cast is knocking down threes around Wade, LeBron and Chris Bosh.

What is most important to Ray Allen? Does his relationship with Rajon Rondo play into this? He wants to chase another ring, does he believe Boston can do that again? How much do minutes matter and where would he get the most? He’s been mentioned in trade rumors the past couple years, will that stop if he stays with the Celtics? Where is he most comfortable?

We will find out the answers to those questions pretty soon. Maybe Thursday.

  1. 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    First off, I always liked Ray Allen. Not sure if he does all the things we’ll need someone in his role to do, but that dude can play.

    Second. Any outrage over Nash picking the Lakers in an attempt to “join forces” to get a chance at a ring? Let’s see, 2 time MVP, no ring, plays out his contract as hard as he could play, on franchise going nowhere, decided to” join forces” with a superstar SG and a top big man, in a city that could be described as “Hollywood”, with fans that show up late to games, and teams work a sign and trade to make it happen.

    Does that sound familiar? Did the Suns owner send out a nasty tweet about Steve Nash? Are Canton13 and tampajoey all lathered up over Nash’s sense of “Entitlement”? Are Nash jerseys being burned in the streets of Phoenix? Is he going to be lustfully booed in NBA arenas every night next two seasons?

    Anone upset over LeBron’s coming to Miami, but not upset over Steve Nash’s choosing the Lakers, is a complete hypocrite an has no credibility at all.

    • andyhr17 - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:45 AM

      Yes, you’re exactly right. The situations are EXACTLY the same. One player at 38 years old in the twilight of his career trying to get one last chance at a right…and the best player in basketball entering the prime of his career arranging for him and his buddies to all sign with he same team to get a title. Yep, i see no difference at all.

      • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM

        You’re only pointing out why the contracts are different.

      • andyhr17 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM

        No, I’m pointing out how they are nowhere close to being similar. Aging players at the end of their career going to a good team is completely different than what Lebron did. I don’t see people comparing Lebron to Karl Malone going to the Lakers, or Charles Barkley going to the Rockets with Olajuwon and Dexler.

        I also didn’t see Nash stringing the Suns along and having other teams come to visit with him to try to recruit him.

      • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM

        There’s no winning this argument is there? Nash’s & LeBron’s motivation to leave their old teams was the same, and the rosters of the teams they chose to go to are clearly similar. And the sign and trades are similar. And the cities involved have striking similarities. But the main point is that both players had the exact same same motivation to do what they did, and LeBron got killed for it while Nash might be even more liked now.

        Obviously there are differences. Their ages are different. The way the public perceived the entire Nash/LeBron sign and trades are clearly different. The way the media covered their decisions were different (ESPN is not blameless for the travesty of “The Decision”). And the way the players worked the media were completely different.

        And let’s get real for a second here, the color of their skin is different; and before you get all crazy on me for pointing out the elephant in the room, take a good long look at yourself ask if race truly has nothing to do with how you’re feeling about all of this.

      • andyhr17 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        So you state how they are so similar…and then your entire second paragraph covers all the ways that they are different.

        Obviously their motivations are the same. There are two motivations to signing with a team; money and winning. You can’t say that every player who signs with a team to win a ring is the same as Lebron.

        An no, race has nothing to do with it at all.

    • drunkenjunk - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:46 AM

      nobody is upset about Nash leaving. They’re two different situations. Lebron acted like a child the entire time. Nash acted like a pro.

      • acdc363 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:05 AM

        Thank you drunkenjunk and andyhr17! I thought I was gonna have to be the one to school that fool! Sometimes its hard to see the whole picture when you have Lebron’s penis in your face.

      • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM

        Even if I say you’re right, you’re only talking about personalities being different

      • tomtravis76 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM

        How did Lebron act like a child? Did he not play out his cotract? He didnt demand a trade to a certain team. Lebron was led down the road by ESPN in putting on the TV special. Lebron used that time to donate a large sum of money to the Boys and Girls club, should that money be given back, because everyone is so disgusted with Lebron? Lebron made the right decision, he won a title.

        The NBA is a different league, the players now have been playing against each other from very early ages. These guys are friends, and who doesnt want to win and celebrate being the best with their friends?

        Players come and go, just enjoy the game.

      • heat256 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:27 AM

        Nash was never counted on upon being drafted as being a savior and being thought of as an all time great before he played in one NBA game either. He isn’t a two way player, meaning he is little more than a turnstile on defense. Nash didn’t make it all into a spectacle, that is very true, but still the anger over LeBron doing exactly what nash is doing is being handled very differently. Maybe people have a soft spot for the older, scrappy white guy than they do the big, young black man.

    • couldntthinkofaname - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

      Nice cheap shot at another fan base. Classy. You Miami fans were just rabid before the James and Bosh went down there, huh?

      I love how you take the opportunity to take a shot at Nash and pimp LeBron (as if he needed that). Your team just won the title and this thread has nothing to do with the Heat, so quit being a crybaby.

      By the way, Hollywood and LA are two separate towns and 99.9999 percent of Laker fans have normal jobs and aren’t actors.

      • couldntthinkofaname - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

        My bad. Meant to say this had nothing to do with the Lakers (not the Heat).

    • j0esixpack - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      LeBron and Nash? Similar in that both went to a new team.

      Did I miss Nash’s primetime special “The Decision” and all the drama that went with it?

      Funny, I didn’t know Nash grew up in Phoenix and was leaving his hometown team in a lurch.

      Nash hasn’t even been with the Suns his whole career.

      • tomtravis76 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:56 AM

        funny thing, lebron didn’t grow up in Cleveland.

      • j0esixpack - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        I must have been imagining things.

        All this time I thought LeBron grew up in Ohio, and was treated like a hometown hero.

        I must be thinking of some other LeBron James

      • brianjoates - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:57 PM

        Go watch the documentary about Lebrons hs team. He even mentions that as a kid he didnt like Cleveland. He is from Akron,Ohio.

        Dan Gilbert is to blame for not building a team to compliment Lebron. Pat Riley did it. They went to the Finals in year one and Title in year two. Thats on Cleveland for not knowing what they had and just using Lebron to make boat loads of money.

        So, why isn’t KD thought of such a douche because he decided to not leave OKC for his hometown of Washington? Kobe had a chance to leave LA , he could have gone to Philly. The hometown story is a nice one ,but this is pro sports , not Disney movies.

      • andyhr17 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

        Yeah, grew up 40 miles away from Cleveland. So far away. Might as well be in a different state.

      • tomtravis76 - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:21 AM

        Baltimore to DC is 40 miles. Not going to find too many Baltimore people who are fans of Skins and Nats and vice versa with Ravens and Orioles. Forty miles between cities doesn’t make you hometown.

      • j0esixpack - Jul 6, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        It’s Ohio.

        Don’t flatter yourself.

        But my mistake – I seemed to perceive some local homegrown pride in the Akron native among Cleveland fans when he lived there – and when they felt jilted after he took his talents to South Beach.

    • miamatt - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      I am as big a Heat and LeBron fan as there is, but this is a bit different. I would have to tip my cap to both the Suns and Nash for keeping things professional and quite throughout this past year. I have no problem with a player trying to find the best possible chance to win a title, whether that player has zero rings or five. Isn’t that the whole reason for playing? To Win?

      Outside of the public relations disaster that was the decision, though, what was wrong with what LeBron did? If anybody reading this was a leader in their industry, unhappy with the results at their current job, and had a couple of friends in the same situation, wouldn’t you jump at the chance if you and your friends could work together towards a common goal? So it wasn’t about the money, it wasn’t about the biggest market…. the problem is that he’s in it for the winning?

      And it’s funny how folks look at the end result and say he was “stringing other teams along”. How do you know? Cleveland just kept throwing desperate, quick-fix solutions out there every year (Jamison? Shaq?) instead of planning for a true rebuild like Miami did. Teams like the Bulls, Knicks, and Mavericks (this year) all tried the same thing, but Miami closed the deal, point blank. Don’t cry because Miami’s risk paid off instead a team more palatable to your sensibilities.

      • guyaneserj - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:50 PM

        Excellent response Miamatt, unfortunately not everyone is as rational and/or level headed as u! I fail to see (the decision aside), how ANYONE wld act any differently!

      • andyhr17 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:47 PM

        Yes, why can’t all teams “truly rebuild” like the Heat did. You know have 3 of the top players in the league get together and agree that they will all go play for a certain team. Yep, that’s how it should be done. Other teams are just stupid for not figuring that out.

  2. finsfan71 - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    Ray would have to be pretty naive to think the addition of Terry won’t eat into his minutes. But I certainly wouldn’t blame him if he chose Boston. Plus, there’s no shame ending your season in Miami.

  3. bhester1906 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Miami is the best situation for Ray Allen. Boston is good as well but there are only so many minutes in their rotation. Bradley is the new starter and Terry will take Allen’s role from last year. Allen probably won’t start but you know the 4th quarter lineup to end the games in Miami will be Chalmers, Wade, Allen, James, & Bosh.

    • ccshocktalk - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:24 AM

      Terry is more of a point guard, more of a Rajon Rondo player who can actually hit 3’s and jump shots. …so i would expect him to be backing up Rondo. Ray Allen is the 2 guard who will back up Avery, so Boston would be pretty solid at the 1&2.

      Miami, that 4th quarter lineup dictates that LeBron is the 4 which isn’t unheard of anymore with him, but it would dictate that Dwayne Wade is a SF which he definitely is NOT.

      He’d be backing up Dwayne Wade…which isn’t bad, but it wouldn’t look to appealing. I don’t see why he would choose Miami over staying in Boston in a scene he is already familiar with. The addition of Jason Terry should threaten Rajon Rondo’s minutes, not so much Ray Allen’s minutes.

      At the end of the day your 4th quarter small Miami lineup definitely wouldn’t happen, if anything it would be Battier at 3 and the Heat resting Dwaynes legs.

      • miamatt - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:41 PM

        You are correct that Battier is in that fourth quarter lineup, but Chalmers is the one who sits. Everybody keeps locking him into a position with these hypotheticals, moving Wade to small forward. Wade moves over to point, although the reality is Lebron will play point power forward, with Wade at times also initiating the offense. It couldn’t be more obvious, I don’t know why everybody keeps acting like Chlamers is unbenchable. On any given night, the end-game lineup would include 2 out 3 of Allen/Chalmers/Battier on the floor, with occasional Haslem appearances, depending on the game.

      • Kansachusetts - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM

        Nothing is going to threaten Rondo’s minutes. If Terry pans out in that role, though, Rondo’s legs might get more of a rest than they have been getting.

  4. diablito0402 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    At@ 1972, and you got any cred, talking like” the role WE need him to play” what you part of the team all of a sudden, 3 years ago your favorite team was the magic probably, just another frontrunner, like always..

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:33 AM

      And three years ago, you were trolling Heat posts? I’ve been all in since 1988. You just started hating the Heat in 2010. Who’s the phony, me or you?

    • doctordunkenstein - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:28 PM

      diablito0402, u just got owned

  5. redblue560 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Steve Nash joining the Lakers is completely a different situation. His family will stay in Phoenix, it will still be his home but he is just going to play basketball for another team that made sense for him to get traded to, close to home. He asked to be traded.

    The trio in Miami, although not proven, seems to have agreed to play together.

    It makes you wonder, with the 2012 USA olympic team, if there will be another 3 or 4 or 5 players who would think the same. Bad for the league.

    • ccshocktalk - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:40 AM

      This isn’t so bad for the league at all. The league seems to share some of it’s revenue from major markets with smaller markets. So, as long as the sharing continues then it wont be a problem.

      And again, just because you take 3,4,5 “superstars” and put them on the same team it doesn’t always mean you’ll role through the league and win 10 championships.

      There will always be dark horse teams out there that play team basketball and get things done by having a well rounded deep team, and that’s a fact in all sports. The Rays do it in baseball, the Yankees, Boston, and Angels have proven that teams that spend a lot don’t always win a lot, or win the big thing at all.

      Don’t forget the Pistons went to back to back NBA finals and won one 4-1 against the Lakers when they had 4 HOF players on their starting lineup. Then they took the Spurs with a young Tony Parker and Manu, and Duncan to a 7 game series losing 4-3 and Detroit had virtually no all star/super star on that team. The most notable player was Chauncy Billups….a center that couldn’t score if he was alone on the court. That was TEAM basketball, and so long as you have a TEAM you can always compete.

      I would rather have 10 guys that can average 10-15 points a game, 4-10 rebounds per game and have a balanced attack where anyone of them could go off on any given night, but it’s a solid team effort top to bottom, not rely on 2-3 guys to average 20 points a game, and over 10 boards to give my team the possibility of sneaking by 3-4 points.

      PS- NYK tried it and they suck. Miami did it and they squeaked by the Thunder (who are very good, and created that team through the draft). If it wasn’t for Mike Miller, Shane Battier (twice) stepping up with huge performances and then Chalmers doing it as well, then Miami wouldn’t have won…if it wasn’t for a role player stepping up like they never did in the regular or post season then the Heat would be another team with 3 superstars who didn’t win the championship.

      • redblue560 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:50 AM

        Agree, a well balanced team always stands a chance. It is when you start to have 5 stars dominating and turning it to a boring lopsided game.

        The best return for my seat and plane tickets was during the 2009 bulls-celtics first round series when 4 games went down to the wire in / OT / Double OT / Triple OT. My in-laws have boston tickets while I have Chicago.

      • wadecounty305 - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        “Miami did it and they squeaked by the Thunder” winning the series 4-1 hm… I’m guessing by your logic it’s either sweep or squeak. SMH

        “If it wasn’t for Mike Miller, Shane Battier (twice) stepping up with huge performances and then Chalmers doing it as well” – Guess what… those guys played for the Miami Heat.

        “I would rather have 10 guys that can average 10-15 points a game, 4-10 rebounds per game and have a balanced attack where anyone of them could go off on any given night” – Wouldn’t you rather have 3 guys who can count on for 20-30ppg, 3 guys who can give you 20+ point on any given night.

        And to all the Haters, not necessarily you (ccshocktalk… unless you’re one of them).

  6. patfic15 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    @1972…were you even on these boards prior to this year? Nash did it the right way. No spectacle, just a signature and brief statement….unlike your king…

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:35 AM

      He is pretty damn good isn’t he?

  7. diablito0402 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Pryor to 2 years ago i didnt know heat where even in the nba, they talked about the heat as much as the raptors, i dint see you on these posts either

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:20 AM

      You didn’t know the Miami Heat was an NBA franchise prior to 2010? I’m calling BS on that one. Or you were in a coma for 23 years, and in that case, I hope you’re doing well.

      How’s my Imagine being in a coma from 1987 to 2010. “How’s my Blockbuster Video stock doing?” “Anyone know where I can find a payphone?” “Pat Riley is the GM of who?”

    • heat256 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      Judging by your spelling and grammar, you probably didn’t know when you were in class either. Hurry up and get back and get my fries made boy. Your mom is impatient when she’s not fed.

    • tomtravis76 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:31 AM

      Another new NBA fan, glad Lebron got you watching the game. The Heat won an NBA title in 2006. You missed some great Heat v Knicks battles over the years. Zo v Larry.

      As for the Raptors…you remember Vince, they didnt get any press.

  8. redblue560 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    The western conference became tougher with Nash joining the Lakers. 4 Teams likely to be still in a tight competition for the top 4 spots….. Thunder, Spurs, Lakers, Clippers

    The eastern conference.. expected to remain at the top… Miami and the next 3 in a tight race, Pacers, Celtics, Sixers…. might show at the next 3, Bulls, Nets, Timberwolves but will definitely be in 5-8 spots.

    • southbeachtalent - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      I would say in the East it’s Miami, Chicago (healthy Rose), Celtics, Pacers.

    • livingsacrifice86 - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM

      I’m guessing the T-Wolves reference was a typo. They’re in the Western Conference

      • redblue560 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM

        Yup typo….Milwaukee bucks. Young team just got another year of experience. playing together. They did play some good games making their opponent earn the win.

  9. southbeachtalent - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Come on Ray… Come over to the dark side..

  10. lakerluver - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Boston should’ve beaten Miami last season. Next season it appears that they might be even better, especially if Allen resigns. As great as LBJ is Miami has the look of a one hit wonder.

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:48 AM

      A month ago, I’ll bet you (and all those like you) thought they were a no hit wonder.

    • zeedoubleyou - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM

      I think there is a much stronger argument that the current Boston core is a one hit wonder.

    • truthhurtstoo - Jul 5, 2012 at 5:22 PM

      Get your eyes fixed then loser. The HEAT will win the Championship again.

  11. 49erminer4life - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    The media is to blame for the lebron debacle. The crowned king in high school. Then league as they always do rigged the draft(how else do U explain drako to the pistons) and sent him where no pro sports player ever wants to play, cleveland. He did all he could there. Lebrons not what the media made him out to be(jordan/kobe). Hes a great all around ball player. If you didnt.realize after watching these finals you never will. I liked how he used the spotlight to raise money for the B&G club. No im not a heat fan, I wanted the thunder to win. I hate how much hate lebron gets. Nobody hates kobe doe, hes alway had another hof’er wit him. He gonna leave the lakers high and dry with only bynums bad knees when he retires. Dude is slime, I guess everybody forgot about colorado

  12. dgbk - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    ppl are reaching with the lebron defense.. the article is about ray allen i thought lol

    Race has nothing to do with it. Most of the backlash towards lebron came about because the jim grey show. the we will win not one not two etc et pep rallys. then he had an attitude of a 9 yr old when ppl didnt like him any more. the commercials and press confrence statements etc etc. he scrapped all that i will be the villian and got back to playin basketball and won. At the end of the day thats all that matters.

    Nash asked the suns owner to do him and his family a favor. He could said no screw u and traded him to the bobcats but didnt. Cleveland was made to believe they had a shot and bringing lebron back. he gave them this feeling up until the final day and before the show. Suns knew it was over after the season and got a decent deal for nash.

    Misleading multiple cities and fan bases is why the Lebron dislike. Not because he is young and blk, if nash did the same ppl will hate him as well. watchin nash wearing purple in gold for all suns fans will be odd but i doubt anyone will hate him for it.

    those are my two cents back to the topic. Allen should stay with the celts.

    • tomtravis76 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:35 PM

      Living in Miami is kinda nice, he should go to the Heat.

      Nash could have walked away leaving the Suns with nothing. He helped them out by getting picks to help rebuild.

      Cant really say Lebron mislead any organizations. He made it clear he was taking meetings with multiple teams once he became a UFA. He also gave a deadline of when he was going to decide on the organization he wanted to play for with a TV special. And what NBA fan didnt tune in? Lebron didnt hold any organization hostage like we have seen some other players do as of late.

      • dgbk - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        U honestly believe those meetings gave other teams a fair shot?? if the stories are true this plan for the miami big three came about at the olympics In 2008. Which mean nets Knicks cavs. etc etc were mislead. I remember the day before the ” the decision” when wade resigned and the heat signed bosh. They were doing interviews acting like they had no idea where lebron was going but most ppl knew by then. If u dont believe plannin to join ur friends in 2008 but takin multiple meetings in 2010 is misleading than idk.

      • brianjoates - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:17 PM

        Sure they talked about the idea of teaming up, Melo actually screwed up by inking the extension with Denver, they all wanted to play together(but he will get Chris Paul in a Knicks uniform after next season, nobody really wants to play for Donald). Dont think it was for sure Miami as the organization to ink them all when they talked about playing together. It was Pat Riley who made it happen.

        These guys also took alot less money to play together. Miami made it possibe for all three to be on the same team.

  13. ccshocktalk - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    if someone didn’t know who the Heat were they seriously missed out on some great players….Alonzo Mourning, Harold Minors dunk contest wins, Glen Rice was as dangerous a 3 point shooter as almost anyone else in his time. Tim Hardaway had arguably one of the best crossovers anyone will ever see in the NBA, long before NBA players were allowed to take 10 steps without dribbling the ball.

    I know that the New York Knicks, and Van Gundy certainly knew who Alonzo Mourning &co. were…if you didn’t know Miami prior to D-Wade and Shaq winning the championship, you missed some of Miami’s best years.

  14. passerby23 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    I would think wherever Ray signs will tip the balance of power between the Heat and Celtics. Ray going to Miami obviously makes them a potent offensive force and a guy subtracted from a Celtics team. If he signs with Boston, they are loaded at the guard position and have a much better bench, which will be needed for an aging team.

    I would think the Celtics pitch to Ray is something like this: “There will be a starting spot here for you. Avery will be out until December anyway, but when he returns, he will come off the bench. Jason Terry can also play some point with the second unit or there may be times when the two of you play together. Rest assured, there will be lots of minutes for you. With regard to you being ‘trade bait’ the last couple of years, trust us, we want you here. We feel this is a dynamic roster and there won’t be a need to move anybody. Oh, and we can offer you more money.”

    Miami pitch: “You will have all the minutes you want. You will get more wide open looks than you’ve had your entire career. Your best chance to win another ring is right here. We like your defense and it will only add to a stout defensive team. You will love the weather and we will be in the mix to win championships every year that you’re here.”

    My money is on Ray choosing Boston. KG, Pierce, and Doc will be influential and it will be hard to uproot his family and take less money.

  15. Mr. Wright 212 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Why would Ray Allen go to Miami?

    • heat256 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:45 PM

      Because he’d be crying so hard if he was on the Knicks roster he’d never make it up and down the court

    • truthhurtstoo - Jul 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM

      To be a winner. Something you know nothng about clearly

  16. ccshocktalk - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM


    I’m not a “hater” on the Miami Heat, i’m just looking at the numbers, and trying to show you that it takes more of a team than a few all stars to try and get things done…Miami got lucky with a few guys having break out games and stepping up…

    Mike Miller however, quadruppled his points in game 5, averaged 6 points a game in the season dropped 25 points, Shane Battier averaged less than 5 points a game and twice went off for 17 points, Mario Chalmers who had games of 12, 10, 3,2 and 25 also was a significant help because none of your superstars really stepped it up. LeBron upped his by maybe 6 points, Dwayne Wade not at all and Bosh down some…

    all I’m saying is that i’d rather have a true team top to bottom that I can count on night in and night out to get about 10-15 points and 4-10 boards a night instead of hoping my trio of all stars dominates and someone miracuoulsly pulls a game out of their @ss and triples or quadruples their normal production and none of my normal players drops off (like bosh and chalmers did).

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:00 PM

      Or that the reason these guys are the ones surrounding wade, James and bosh are because Pat Riley, a basketball genius expects them to be able to pick up the slack and win ball games without excuse….but hey, hating is more fun eh?

    • wadecounty305 - Jul 6, 2012 at 9:55 AM

      You’re missing the concept of the Big 3.
      Point is you don’t have to rely on these role players to give you 10-15ppg even though they can. Mike Miller career average (12.8ppg @46.2% 40.5% from 3), Shane Battier (9.2ppg @ 44.1%), Mario Chalmers (8.3 @ 42.9%)

      Is not better to have 2 Super Stars you can rely on to give you 25+ 1 giving you 20+ and 3 roles players who can give you 10ppg, one of which can go off on any given night?

      Now add Ray Allen to that… FFW to the Finals (don’t mind that just being a cocky Heat Fan LOL).

  17. redblue560 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Which one is a better drive with your convertible top down ? I-95 or I-5

    Which one is a better view to wake up in the morning ? Pacific Ocean or Atlantic Ocean

    Either way… it will be a welcome change to bitter cold mornings and frequent snowy drive in Boston.

  18. Miami305 - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Miami needs Ray Allen and Ray Allen needs Miami. Miami will be champions again in 2013.

    • addictedzone - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:44 PM

      Miami doesn’t need Ray Allen. And Ray Allen doesn’t need Miami. But they’ll both be even better together.

  19. 1historian - Jul 6, 2012 at 7:37 AM

    I did NOT watch it but I have heard about it for more than 2 years now – it’s pretty obvious that the show ‘the decision’ was about as silly a thing as I have ever seen in pro sports, which I have been following for about 55 years.

    That having been said, James has admitted that it was stupid to do and has apologized for it numerous times but there are still people who won’t/can’t forgive him for it.

    That’s their problem

  20. redblue560 - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    My hunch tells me this is a done deal for Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis. They need consistent outside shooters if not at least on the free throw line. Miller does not give them that.

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