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Report: Knicks working hard to land Nash, but hesitant to give up Iman Shumpert

Jul 4, 2012, 12:50 PM EDT

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Steve Nash is an unrestricted free agent who is being courted at the moment by at least four teams: the Knicks, Raptors, Mavericks, and Lakers. Conspicuously absent from that list are the Suns, but all signs show that they’re ready to move on, and won’t come up with the money or the years that others are willing to in order to retain Nash’s services.

Nash can of course sign wherever he chooses. But because of salary cap restrictions, for him to get close to the money he’s worth (in the $8 million per year range), certain teams would have to work out a sign-and-trade to send players back to Phoenix to create that cap space.

The Knicks might be where Nash is leaning at the moment, but they would need to include Iman Shumpert in the deal. They’re hesitant to do that, reports MSG Network’s Alan Hahn:

Steve Nash, meanwhile, and the Knicks are working with the Suns to complete a sign-and-trade deal that would bring Nash to New York. Indications are the Knicks are his top choice, but because a trade is complicated (and there is great hesitation to give up Iman Shumpert), the Raptors are in play. A lot of effort has been made, however, to get this done.

Shumpert showed value last season as an excellent perimeter defender, which is an area where the Suns desperately need to upgrade their talent. However, Shumpert suffered a season-ending knee injury in the first game of the playoffs, and may not be ready to return to action until midway through next season.

The Suns will be fortunate to get anything of value in return for Nash, given his unrestricted status. The Knicks may like Shumpert, but if New York is Nash’s top choice, and the team is in win-now mode with Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler likely having two or three more seasons playing at an elite level, it should be an easy choice for New York to make to do what’s necessary to get Nash.

If the Knicks can’t get a deal done — either because of their hesitations or the Suns’ demands — Nash’s second choice would appear to be Toronto. The Mavericks will make an offer, but maybe only for one year due to wanting to keep their cap space freed up for 2013 free agents Dwight Howard and Chris Paul.

The Lakers have expressed interest, but it’s unclear what they would be willing to offer Phoenix in that all-important sign-and-trade. Nash would be a great fit for that team, and has said publicly he believes Kobe Bryant is the league’s best player. But his interest in L.A. is much lower than New York and Toronto at this point, so consider the Lakers a longshot at best to be the spot where Nash will eventually end up next season.

  1. cantonbound13 - Jul 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Everyone besides Melo, Amare or Chandler should be available to get him.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:12 PM

      NOT SHUMP YOU IDIOT!!!

    • blue18hutthutt - Jul 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

      You’re an idiot. Nash is in the twilight of his caeer, maybe has 2-3 years left max, can’t play D (funny how so many people conveniently ignore this) and won’t give you as many minutes at this stage

      Shumpert, in his rookie year, has already established himself as one of the best perimeter defenders and has rediculous upside

      Please, just stop.

      • knightrider1755 - Jul 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM

        The way Dolan works, if Nash can be had, Shumpert is a goner.

  2. elcomandanteenjefe - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    The Knicks are in the process of becoming the Suns of the East. The only person that plays defense on that team has been and will continue to always be Tyson Chandler. Caramelo can lose as much weight as he wants, but he will continue to chuck the rock due to his selfishness. As for Stat, the only defense in his vocabulary is smashing fire extinguishers.

    • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

      This is so untrue. Knicks were a top defensive team in terms of points allowed AFTER Woodson took over (he is a defensive coach). They played really good defense vs MIA, even after Shump got injured. BUT, they had no offense. It was brutal to watch. 5+ minutes w/out a FG were normal against MIA.

      I love Shump, but we need Nash. Not only for his talent, but because he will transform Stat from “top 5 worst contracts” into “top 5 PFs”. We need an offensive identity. Have to do this for a chance to win next 3 years.

      • elcomandanteenjefe - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM

        I hear where you are coming from, but those stats are patted with the efforts of Chandler who led the Knicks in blocks and rebounds and Shump who led them in the steals category. From there, there is a significant drop, especially when it comes to blocks and rebounds.

        And although I agree that Woodson emphasizes defense, the same can be said for Gentry as the coach of the Suns. I am just going on what statistics have previously shown — Nash plays no defense, Stat only plays defense if the ball goes through him, and Caramelo tries but also goes the same way of Stat. So would Nash make them better, yes, but will this make them good enough to beat the Celtics, Bulls, or Heat… HIGHLY doubtful.

      • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        Hear what you’re saying, but a starting 4 of Nash, Melo, Stat, Chandler and im not conceding anything, even to C’s, Bulls or Heat.

      • knightrider1755 - Jul 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM

        Getting Nash is the only way Stat will ever touch the ball, because ball hoggin’ Melo ain’t giving it up.

  3. hartdaddy - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Steve Nash ain’t getting you passed Miami, Move on NY, MOVE ON!!

  4. knightrider1755 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Knicks should trade Melo for Nash and some future draft choices.

  5. bucrightoff - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    From Nash’s perspective, going to New York makes no sense to me. They are still at best the 4th best team in the East (and have no shot against Miami, OKC or San Antonio). So go to Toronto and don’t win a ring? Fans love him, he’s an icon. Go to New York and do it, he’s not even past John Starks in Knicks lore.

    • borderline1988 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

      That would seem to be correct, although the truth is that Nash has never played with the amount of talent to be found on the Knicks, so it’s difficult to make predictions. Nash may be the best in the league at making his teammates better. There’s no doubt that Tyson Chandler would benefit tremendously on offense, as would Stoudemire.

      He may even make Carmelo better. Carmelo has always been a ball-hog, but I believe that it’s not b/c of his mentality. He wants to become better all-around, he just has no clue how to play effectively without the ball in his hands in ISO situations.

      Nash may be able to do that.

      Although as a Raptors fan, I am really hoping he comes to Toronto.

    • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      How can people say a core of Nash, Melo, Stat (who is MVP type player w/Nash), Chandler (who is an awesome lob catching, DPOY center) have NO shot at winning a title in the next 3 years. Im not saying they should be the favorite, but really, no shot?

      • bucrightoff - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM

        Consider they have to likely beat Chicago and Miami (both much better than the Knicks) just to get out of the East. They may even need to also beat Indiana, Boston or Philly, all teams close to the Knicks. And for all that, they still have to beat either OKC, San Antonio or if Stern can work something up, the Lakers. All this with a team in which Steve Nash won’t even likely touch the ball the most (Melo obviously). If they could find a way to trade Melo for more parts, I’d give them more of a chance. But this is the Suns of a few years ago with a much more difficult road to a ring. I’ll give them a 0.01% chance because its not impossible, I just cannot see it.

      • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM

        I didnt the Suns of a few years ago had Melo and Chandler. And saying the Knicks will have to go through some combination of MIA, CHI, BOS, IND, isnt really proving your point, you are just naming East playoff teams lol. No ish Sherlock. Knicks were 2-2 against BOS last year and 2-1 against CHI (with Rose) so yea, us improving def means we have no shot against them…

      • bucrightoff - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM

        Carmelo kills their offense and you know it. Steve Nash is pointless when you’re SF needs to ball in his hands from 18-6 on the shot clock. Without Melo the Knicks would have more of a shot, but brining in Steve Nash to run the half court to hand it off to Melo is a waste. You can say they’ll adapt, but then Melo becomes a malcontent and then where are you? Lest we forget the Knicks best stretch of basketball last year was without Melo. The major thing teams like Boston, Philly Chicago and Miami do very well that New York (and espcially Nash) does not is play tough, hard nosed defense. I do believe if you check Steve’s medic alert bracelet it notes an allergy to defense.

        There’s also the X factor no one talks about: Phoenix’s traning staff. Its widely accepted they helped keep Nash’s back problems a non factor. Will he be as effective without the world class training staff Phoenix has? Or are the Knicks looking to acquire them as well?

      • kinggw - Jul 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM

        Thats right, no shot. Adding a 38 year old point guard doesnt make the Knicks elite, especially if they have to give up their best perimeter defender to get him. Even with Nash the Knicks are at best the fourth best team in the East.

        If the Knicks were serious about winning they’d be trying to find a way to get a guy like Lowry who would be better for them long term than Lin or Nash.

      • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM

        Hater.

        “Adding a 38 year old point guard doesnt make the Knicks elite,”

        A 38 year old, 2 time MVP, was a game away from leading Suns to playoffs by himself, PG. And teaming him up with his old friend Amare, with whom he had the best pick and roll since Stockton and Malone

  6. sndvl99 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Using Amare and elite in the same sentence shows the author’s lack of perspective on this one.

    • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM

      3 years ago, Stat was coming off a WCF appearance with Nash and was the leading MVP vote getter for PFs.

      1.5 years ago, Stat was coming off of I believe 10 straight 30 point games, and was the popular pick for MVP (even Lebron said so in interview).

      THEN, Knicks traded for Melo. No more PG, no more pick-and-roll, just Amare standing in the corner, taking jump shots. No longer elite.

      BUT, if Nash comes back, yea no doubt Amare is elite. He just needs a PG who can run pick-and-roll.

      • bparmalee - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:11 PM

        You missed the point…. then the Knicks traded for MELO…. he is the pg. He won’t let offense happen that isn’t the Melo iso offense. No pick and rolls…. no plays…. just everyone stand over there and watch me.

      • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM

        Lol thats not true. When Billups was healthy, offense ran through him, no problem. Melo respected Billups. BUT, when Knicks got rid of him, and went with a combo of Shump (cant pass), Toney Douglas, Bibby as PGS, Melo said “give me the ball”.

        If Melo has a HF MVP PG, yea he will let him run offense. Dont be stupid

      • knightrider1755 - Jul 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        The Knicks are Melo’s team and Woodson is on-board with that. If Nash comes to the Knicks, he is going to have to live with that formula. The only reason Dolan wants Nash is because having another big name star will enhance his pocketbook. Dolan is the P.T. Barnum of the NBA and MSG is the Big Top putting on the “Greatest Show in the NBA in the Greatest Sports Arena in the World” and putting on the Knicks fans. “Hurry, hurry, Step right up, get your tickets, See the greatest …………….!”

      • gmen4life33 - Jul 4, 2012 at 5:42 PM

        That would be true….if the Knicks werent selling out games even when they sucked (save your jokes). Point is the Knicks will sell out every game regardless of Nash, so Dolan getting him to sell tickets doesnt make sense. Nash merchandise wont outsell Melo or Lin and isnt significant to Dolan. Try again.

        Let me give you a hint, Nash turns Dolans 2 big men (Amare and Chandler) into offensive weapons.

  7. dysraw1 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    this is a tough one because shump has so much up side & he hasn’t played out his rookie contract , if anyone can transform a team its Steve Nash, but with such a small window of time i dont know

  8. bparmalee - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    We know Nash and Amare will work but how can Nash and Melo work? Nash controls the offense and pace… something Melo demands control of and the Melo Iso doesn’t play to Nash’s strengths. Amare and Melo are a disaster together…so instead of fixing that dynamic they want to bring in an aging star that won’t mesh with Melo either? The Knicks need to decide if they are Melo’s team or a passing team…. they can’t be both. If you are building your team around Melo then stop bringing in guys that thrive on ball movement. The Knicks act like they are “one guy away” from a title….. that’s just not the case. Melo or Amare….. make a choice.

  9. Mr. Wright 212 - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    I HATE THIS MOVE. KEEP SHUMP. F THE RAPTORS FOR THAT BS WITH FIELDS. That completely ruined the original deal, which was supposed to be Fields NOT Shump.

  10. detroitrollin22 - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Knicks suck

  11. bknowledge - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    1) get Nash
    2) Melo and Chandler for Dwight and Jason Richardson
    3) Sign sf with minimum league exception

    Starters:
    Dwight
    Amare
    sf signing
    JRich
    Nash
    Bench:
    Lin
    JRSmith
    Novak
    Harrelson

    4) If Lin’s trade value is still so high, trade him at the trade deadline for veterans/sf or a lottery pick…

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Jul 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      Not if the Rockets or Raptors add a poison pill to the back end of his contract like the Raptors did to steal fields (Knicks won’t match, and that contract offer sheet COMPLETELY ruined the deal that was on the table to send him and the other castoffs to Phoenix for Nash)

  12. trevormcnamara - Jul 4, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Nets
    Pg-dwill
    Sg-brooks
    Sf-johnson
    Pf- wallace
    C- lopez
    Key bench- tyshawn taylor, reggie evans, mirza teletovic, possibly marshon brooks who would come off bench if humphries re signs

    Knicks
    Pg- nash
    Sg- walker, douglas, or mason
    Sf- anthony
    Pf- stat
    C-chandler
    Key bench players-jeremy lin if they can resign him because of his contract douglas, baron davis if he resigns and plays, dan gadzuric, josh harrelson

    Who would win a 7 game series? Who would dominate for the future?

  13. loungefly74 - Jul 4, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Phil Jackson nailed it when he said the Knick are (not verbatim) a talented mess. adding Nash might make it worse. the Knicks got great talent…they just need a gameplan/coach that will properly utilize those guys. so…no need for them to get Nash.

    well…IF nash wants a great chance for a ring, sign with the Lakers on the cheap. that would be a very deadly team.

    If he wants $$$…Raptors.

    • knightrider1755 - Jul 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

      If he wants turmoil…the Knicks.

      • loungefly74 - Jul 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM

        hehe…yeah. they need to figure things out this upcoming season or players might abandon ship…

  14. davidly - Jul 4, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Steve Nash is an unrestricted free agent who is being touted at the moment by at least three NBC journalists: Moore, Helin, and Pollakoff. Conspicuously absent from that list is someone who thinks he might just be willing to take less money.

  15. hmax13 - Jul 4, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    it is simple:

    MELO = NO RING

  16. vadergriffin - Jul 4, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    It’s funny how everyone always brings up that Steve Nash can’t play defense. Sure, he might not be able to but his superior offense makes up for that. Nash can obviously create plays, clutch, shoot 3 pointers, 50% field goal shooter, 90% free throw shooter. Age has to do with nothing as long as you’re still doing your job. Jordan was still averging over 20+ at 40 years old. Nash + Amare will be deadly, Chandler’s offense will increase, Melo will get better, and their current coach will be able to coach them from the start. The Knicks will be good an will be a top 5 team in the East. Some of you are just to stupid to realize how good Nash is and how much difference ONE person can make. You knicks haters will be quiet as fuck next season why they’re dominant.

  17. newyorkfootballjets - Jul 4, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    Sign and trade fields or lin for nash wtf not shump. who else is gonna shut down d rose or d wade or rondo definitly not nash

  18. dal24la - Jul 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Guess Knicks didn’t try hard enough because STEVE NASH IS COMING TO LA!
    I’m surprised yall don’t have this up yet. (They didn’t when I posted it).

  19. acdc363 - Jul 4, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Nash to Lakers! Nash to Lakers!

    • knightrider1755 - Jul 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM

      Knicks are trashed again.

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