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Report: Kirk Hinrich now Bulls top target… not that thrilling

Jul 3, 2012, 10:43 AM EDT

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If Bulls fans were hoping to see their team get in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes or go after some other big name free agent, we’re sorry.

Sounds like the Bulls are going to wait for Derrick Rose to heal and stay with the guys they have pretty much, if this tweet from the reliable K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune is to be believed.

Hinrich drawing plenty of interest, emerging as Bulls’ top target. Gonna take more than vet’s minimum to get him and Bulls know it.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Hinrich. His three point shooting and solid defense make him a good fit with what the Bulls want to do, he can be a solid part of the rotation.

But this makes clear what the Bulls are planning. Which is to basically play the cards in their hand. I get that, it’s a good hand. But it may mean this year will be tough — Rose will not be back from his ACL surgery until likely around the first of the year, and even then the first year after an ACL injury tends to be a down one for players coming off that injury.

Maybe something changes, but the Bulls will be about defense and waiting for Rose.

  1. mcjon22 - Jul 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    They’re capped out and there isn’t a super star on the market, what are they really supposed to do? Get Kris Humpries?

    • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      Get creative. Dwight Howard is on the market. Pau Gasol is on the market.

      • tomossriceenoughsaid - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

        d12 would cost us our core, and we would have a new york knicks type of team. No thanks

      • ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

        That wouldn’t be logical at all. Lets ship off Noah, Deng, and some picks for a big fat baby that wont hustle, that wont play team defense, that wont be happy that Rose scores as many points as he does…yeah, i can totally see why you would go after him.

        bringing back Kirk would be a great idea because he can facilitate that offense, play defense and keep the team afloat while Rose is healing up. And they can play a two guard back court when Rose comes back shift Kirk over to SG and start D-Rose at PG, Deng at SF, Gibson or Boozer at 4 and Noah at 5…athletic, defensive, and dangerous, that’s why you don’t give up Noah, Deng and others for Pau or Douchey McDouche in Orlando.

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM

        ..Or a Miami heat type team. Yeah, that would be awful.

        I’m sure the three time defensive player of the year won’t play team defense. Do you honestly believe that the Chicago Bulls are one Kirk Hinrich away from being an NBA champion? Or an Eastern Conference champion? If you would rather have Joakim Noah as your center over Dwight Howard you are certifiably insane. Luol Deng is a fine basketball player. He’s an average individual defender that looks better because of his knowledge of defensive rotations (the same scheme that would trick people into believing Derrick Rose is an average NBA defender), he’s excellent from medium range, decent from long range, and cannot dribble a basketball. If you’d rather have that then Dwight Howard then enjoy the next four to five years getting curb-stomped by Miami.

        It is astonishing to me how Bulls fans think. I know everyone wants to reimagine Michael Jordan’s legacy to fit there own skewed view of comparison to the NBA’s current best, but no one wants to acknowledge he was coached by the greatest of all time, played with two hall of famers, not to mention one of the better European players the game had ever seen. Stop with this wishy-washy, hard-working, scrappy bullcrap and go get some great basketball players.

      • itsthemelman82 - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:22 PM

        Sounds like most of my fellow Bulls fan are living in reality…. Well, except blueintown and anyone who thinks going after D12 is a good idea. Let’s go over this again. The Bulls have pretty much no cap room. With that very limited cap room we to fill roster spots left by CJ, Korver, Brewer & now Asik. D. Howard doesn’t wanna be in Chi. (which I have no problem with, dude is a flake so screw him). Why trade for a guy that’s not gonna stay after 1 year . Does that really make sense to give up important pieces to your team just to lose whatever you’ve trade him for and the player himself? Lastly, we are stuck w/ Boozer . He has NO trade value and He won’t be amnestied this year. Too many years and money to pay off for him to go away. I’m not saying the Bulls don’t need a second star but just because a player is a star doesn’t make him a good fit. Get well Derrick… That the most important thing anyway.

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 3:09 PM

        Yes, I believe adding the best center in the game would make the Bulls better at basketball. During the offseason in ’97, many believed the Bulls adding an undersized power forward from San Antonio renowned for his immaturity and petulant behavior would make them better at basketball, because he was a better basketball player then the guy he was traded for. It did.

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM

        *Obvious correction: ’95 offseason.

      • itsthemelman82 - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:32 PM

        Rodman was a perfect FIT. Also, he didn’t say no to play w/ the Bulls nor did MJ & Scottie (really) object to adding him.

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

        I am unclear as to when adding the best big man in the game is not a perfect fit for any team’s roster, but I digress.

        It seems what we have here is a chicken or the egg argument. I believe in building from a core (stars) out (role players) and you seem to believe the inverse. This hyperinflation of the value of Luol Deng has got to end. I agree, he’s a nice player who knows what he does well and exploits it. But a guy who is the 47th best scorer (just above Corey Magette amongst small forwards in points per game), 52nd best rebounder (a full rebound less per game than Shawn Marion despite playing ten more minutes per game), and 80th in free throws attempted (behind small forward behemoths like Alonzo Gee, Gordon Hayward, and – once again – Corey Magette) is not essential to the core of a true championship contender. There are two components to the Bulls’ core right now: Tom Thibodeau and Derrick Rose. The rest is merely assets. Use them, and work out from there.

  2. bullysix - Jul 3, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    I agree I think the Bulls are now in the second phase of the Derrick Rose tenure.

    The Bulls are going to make 2014 their retooling this team to become the team that Rose make his first title run for the title.

    Being 25 years that’s still 2 years ahead of the Jordan time clock for winning titles.

    • lmoneyfresh - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:48 AM

      I’m not sure why people are giving you thumbs down for that comment. I’m a bulls fan and you are exactly right. The bulls know next year just isn’t going to happen, so they’re getting ready to make a run in 2014-2015. By then they can either trade or amnesty Boozer and hopefully make a few moves with the same core of players they have, and believe in. It sucks to know that they likely won’t contend for a year or two, but a title later is better than no title.

      • blackandbluedivision - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:14 PM

        Because (a) that’s two years from now. (2012-’13, ’13-’14, ’14-’15) and (b) this isn’t his first run at a title (c) even with him hurt the Bulls still made a good run. They just need a scorer to replace Rose until he gets healthy. The Bulls were 18-9 without him. Good but not great I agree. But, it doesn’t warrant a complete retooling

      • lmoneyfresh - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:27 PM

        You’re right, that’s one season too many by me. I think they ride out this upcoming season and then try to make moves after that. That takes one more year off of Boozers awful contract and a full season for Rose to get back to his old self. And ya, they’ll be good without him, but not good enough. The bench players did a great job stepping up last season, but they wore out and got exposed by playing so many minutes. I also don’t think it’d be a big retooling, but I could see Noah or Deng getting shipped out as part of a trade. I think they want to keep most of this team together, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of them go.

  3. trybe29dr - Jul 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Its obvious the bulls are serious about being contenders…

  4. tomossriceenoughsaid - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    ^ The Bulls already are contenders. I wish they would have traded Asik at the trade deadline. We cant afford 8 million a year for a body, and atrocious free throws. But we have that PF overseas that is a beast. We will make it work. Best record 2 seasons in a row. Give Coach Thibs his money!!!!!!!!

  5. loungefly74 - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    IF (and a big IF) the Bulls are healthy by playoff time next year…they got a legit shot. I think the Bulls can do some serious damage with the current squad (assuming DRose gets healthy…by playoffs)…getting a role player like Hinrich would be a welcomed addition. I stress “by playoffs” as we all know thats when it really counts.

  6. trybe29dr - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    Bulls are just being lazy and complacent…if the wizards could find a team to take rashard lewis’ contract the bulls can find a take for boozer. But hey if theyre ok with mediocrity its fine with us…happy i wont hear about these guys for nearly a year…

    • ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      Don’t forget that the rest of the Bulls are still really good…Boozer (regardless of what people say) averaged 17 points and just shy of 10 boards per game last year, Deng 17 points 5 boards, Noah 11 points 10 boards per game, add in any decent point guard just to facilitate the offense and they’ll be competitive…

      • pudgalvin - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:30 PM

        In the games the Bulls have been completely healthy over the last two years (Boozer included), they’ve had the second best points per possession in the league behind OKC. Better than Miami, better than San Antonio, better than the Knicks. With what happened last year, it’s easy to write this team off, but they are an elite team when everyone is playing. Still don’t know if they’ll every beat Miami, but 1 torn acl and one sprained ankle at a bad time is not a reason to completely blow this team up.

  7. trybe29dr - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Howard woud cost the bulls their core? What core? Its derrick rose and ho-ah those are the only players the bulls have worth anything…talk about buying into the media hype. I was completely unaware there was a core in chicago. You have an outstanding player and a good player…thats it

    • tomossriceenoughsaid - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM

      lol maybe you haven’t heard of a phrase called the “BENCH MOB”. We have a very solid core. Maybe the top 5 defender, mid range maniac by the name of Luol Deng? You dont get the best record in the league back to back with one good player. A.I. would have done that years ago.

      • zeedoubleyou - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:48 AM

        Depth will get you the best record in the regular season, but superstars (plural) are necessary to win titles.

        Right now the game plan is simple: Stop Rose, stop Chicago.

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:57 AM

        ^ Exactly.

      • itsthemelman82 - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        You are so right. People don’t wanna hear about defense but it’s what the Bull do better than any other team! Deng is HUGE for us! He plays some of the best individual defense against Lebron I’ve seen.

    • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:24 AM

      And when that “bench mob” was forced into a “starting mob” it became a “go home after one round mob”. Seriously. Enough with this depth crap. Your bench does not win you championships (see: Miami), your stars do. And when your only star is 6’3″, you’re in trouble.

      • tomossriceenoughsaid - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM

        Apparently the heat have you two convinced that you can’t win without 3 top 15 players. Well watch and see. I thought the heat bench played pretty damn good in the finals. The bulls have the most winningest coach thru 2 seasons in league history. We will be ok.

      • ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM

        Um, you might want to check the record on that one, without your bench you don’t do jack you dip sh-t.

        Miami lost and almost lost games when their BENCH didn’t have a huge night. Mike Miller went ape sh-t, Mario Chalmers went ape sh-t, and Shane Battier went ape sh-t twice. And each time a BENCH PLAYER WENT APE SH-T and scored a dozen or more points, the Heat won by the skin of their teeth. When someone from the bench didn’t, they lost.

        http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011.html

        take a look at Dallas spread offense, 9 guys that scored over 15 points a game, um that would be at least 4 from the bench. 5 more guys that scored over 10 points a game.

        How about big shot bob for the spurs, he wasn’t really some super star, but he hit all their clutch shots, and he did the same thing for the lakers and the rockets, and now has 6 rings (2 with each team, and I’m sure he’s flipping you off with at least 2 of the 6 rings).

        Without benches teams don’t win anything…go find any super star in any team sport who didn’t win it without his team.

      • chicitybulls - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

        If you lose your best player for the season after the 1st game of the playoffs and you lose your 3rd best player for 2-3 games in that same round and one of your top bench players gets injured in that same round ANY team is in trouble. Dont be an idiot. The bench is very important. You will not win consistantly without a good bench. It worked this year for miami but it remains to be seen what will happen going forward. Even they address that they have to get a better bench which is why they’re going after Ray Allen. You also obviously dont know what you’re talking about if you think Deng is just aiight. He’s an All Star and one of the most respected defensive players in the league. I’ll take the players opinions over yours if you dont mind.

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:43 AM

        Think about this for second. Why in God’s name do Shane Battier or Mike Miller ever get the ball in their hands? How did they get open enough to make shot after shot after shot? How did Robert Horry get in position to hit so many big shots? Is Joakim Noah commanding a lot of double teams? We know Deng isn’t, because – as I think we’ll probably agree – he can’t dribble. There’s no reason to rotate a second guy over if all he can do is stand on the three point line, catch, and shoot. Mike Miller and Shane Battier went apes*t because the best player in the game was sucking the defense in. Robert Horry got so many open shots because he was playing with, what seven Hall of Famers? Why is this idea that great players make great teams so damn complicated?

      • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        …also, Dallas did not have nine guys that scored over fifteen points a game. That would be asinine. They had three. Did you really believe Dallas averaged 262 points per game?

  8. trybe29dr - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    You dont have the best record in the NBA with one good player back to back years? Yes you do…they were called the cleveland cavs before the bulls took the prestegious title…deng is just a regular player. Gives great effort…like much of the bulls players…but just a regular guy who shoots 46% from the floor…absolutely nothing special…

    • ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM

      Deng isn’t anything special, he’s just all NBA defensive 2nd team…I’d say that’s pretty average.

      • trybe29dr - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:43 AM

        Bull fans need to look at this team with some objectivity. U have a world class player in Rose…but he struggles to shoot at times and sometimes needs 25 plus shots to score 30. Boozer isnt as bad as people think, but he isnt nearly as good as chicago needs him to be. Oh yea and he shrinks in the playoffs. Noah is a good player…a little over rated for my taste. I rather have talent then hustle but hes a good player…taj gibson is a guy i like. Deng has been in the league 8 seasons…and the best you can say is that hes been named to TWO all defensive SECOND teams…that is average guy…its the definition of average…good team, but hardly what id call “a core.” a core is durant, westbrook, and ibaka…bryant, gasol, and bynum…james, wade, and bosh…randolph, gasol, gay…the bulls have a 1 player core…use some objectivity fellas. Chicago is no better than the cavs were circa 2008-2009

      • chitownmatt - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM

        Yeah, when he plays a whole season with an effed-up wrist.

  9. cantonbound13 - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Good thing you gave Boozer big money

  10. sportsguy99 - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Hinrich is an excellent backup for rose and can actually even start at the 2 guard and give the bulls more than rip or ronnie brewer has the past few years

  11. ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    “blueintown – Jul 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM
    ..Or a Miami heat type team. Yeah, that would be awful.

    I’m sure the three time defensive player of the year won’t play team defense. Do you honestly believe that the Chicago Bulls are one Kirk Hinrich away from being an NBA champion? Or an Eastern Conference champion? If you would rather have Joakim Noah as your center over Dwight Howard you are certifiably insane. Luol Deng is a fine basketball player. He’s an average individual defender that looks better because of his knowledge of defensive rotations (the same scheme that would trick people into believing Derrick Rose is an average NBA defender), he’s excellent from medium range, decent from long range, and cannot dribble a basketball. If you’d rather have that then Dwight Howard then enjoy the next four to five years getting curb-stomped by Miami.

    It is astonishing to me how Bulls fans think. I know everyone wants to reimagine Michael Jordan’s legacy to fit there own skewed view of comparison to the NBA’s current best, but no one wants to acknowledge he was coached by the greatest of all time, played with two hall of famers, not to mention one of the better European players the game had ever seen. Stop with this wishy-washy, hard-working, scrappy bullcrap and go get some great basketball players.”

    Yeah, that’s just it…everyone wants to re-imagine Michael Jordan’s era again with Derrick Rose. That definitely has to be it.

    How about the fact that team basketball can get it done. Look at the Spurs, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu, Bruce Bowen, Steven Jackson, Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, 3 solid stars with at least 3-4 solid role players who knew their roles behind them.

    LA, Shaq and Kobe with Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry (again), Luke Walton, Devean George, Brian Shaw….two hall of famers and a very good cast of role players around them.

    Michael and Scottie with a variety of guys that were not all stars in B.J Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Will Purdue, John Paxson, Mark Randall, Cliff Livingston, etc. loads of guys who stepped up and played their roles along side two all stars. And they won 3 championships before they got Rodman, or Toni.

    Building a core of strong role players is much more important than trying to find two or three all stars and hoping you’ll get the rest in place. Deng, Noah, Rose, Gibson, Hamilton, and Boozer are only one more strong role player away from being able to take down the leagues elite. But they definitely should not and do not want to get that all star by trading away two or three key pieces to that team for one guy that is a huge b-tch.

    Dwight plays on a team that doesn’t rebound, or play defense, which leaves all the loose balls for him. They had Brandon Bass who is a great big man, they traded him, they traded Gortat another great big man who they could and should have paired him with to get more boards and more defense, but they didn’t. It was a team that would jack up 3’s and that was it.

    Miami has one championship, and that’s great. The Celtics have one championship. Two teams that built it around the big three. The Knicks suck and have a big three scheme.

    The Spurs have 4 championships with solid team work around 1-2 stars. The Lakers have 6 with only two all HOF worthy players in the Kobe era. So between the Lakers 2 all stars and the Spurs 2 all stars you have 10 championships, between the Celtics big three, the Heat big three, and Knicks version of the big 3 you have 2 championships…and the first big 3 started in 2007, 5 years with one ring. The Heat 2 years, 2 trips 1 ring nice odds, no doubt about that…but we’ll see if they can replicate the same thing…but by my count (given enough time hasn’t elapsed yet to see whether or not Miami does what LA or San Antonio did), but right you have 9 “all stars” on 3 teams and you have 2 rings total in 5 years of the big 3 model….I don’t foresee teams scrapping team chemistry for a big 3 that they think will win the championship. 2 stars and a strong cast of role players will be just fine…and Chicago will pair Derrick Rose up with someone they think fits that role at point…but it definitely is not Dwight Howard.

  12. ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    blue in town….

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2010.html

    per 36 minutes, yeah, they did have 7 guys that averaged 15 or more PER GAME it’s 6 guys with over ten points per game.

    • chicitybulls - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM

      dont worry. he’s a little slow. I wouldn’t try to explain anything further if he can’t understand what you were saying. What reasonble person wouldn’t do their math and see 262 points/game and think to themselves “that couldn’t be what he means. let me read that again”.

    • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM

      THAT’S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY! It’s not per 36 minutes per game. It’s just per 36 minutes. Mike James averaged 16 points and 9 assist PER 36 MINUTES. He averaged 5 points and 3 assists PER GAME. See the difference?

  13. missouricharger - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    Hinrich is good fit for Chicago, right now. Rose is out and we’ll probably lose both back up pg’s. He can run the point well and he’ll score. Plus he’s a more than capable defender. It will be better than throwing Teague into the fire immediately. I would take Noah over Howard any day. Just gives you more effort night in and night out. Rose does need a second star to help win a championship. Another expert, that can create his own shot. But they gotta move somebody. Too many big contracts. Deng or Boozer, preferably.

  14. thisisether - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    I’m a Bulls fan, and i understand we will be mediocre until we get a dynamic game changing player…WE ONLY HAVE ONE right now, and he is hurt…at the end of the day, we need somebody else who can create on their own/ get us EASY buckets…..that scrappy team play can only go so far, even the MAVS had Dirk and JAson terry creating their own shots….

  15. mannyicey - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Actually, Hinrich isn’t expensive and he’s a solid backup that can start. The Hawks have Teague and a youngster backing him up- and Devin Harris. Hinrich isn’t needed in Atlanta.

  16. ccshocktalk - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Lets not forget All Star casts don’t = rings forever….Shaq at 5, Karl Malone at 4 Horry at 3, Kobe at 2 Gary Patyon at 1 with bench players like Rick Fox, Luke Walton, Devean George, Derek Fisher, etc. they lost to the Pistons who were a solid TEAM with ZERO superstars. Chauncy was the closest thing to a super star. You had Tayshaun, Chauncy, Rip Hamilton, Ben Wallace for the core of that team…and they took it to the Lakers, they went on to win that series 4 games to 1. Then the next year they had a 7 game series with San Antonio…a trio of three all stars and a seriously strong cast of role players.

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves and say teams with a triage of all stars will win the NBA championships for the rest of time. Yes it takes a tandem team of two all stars but you need a very good surrounding cast to bring the rest together.

    • kayooger - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM

      Triage: “The process of sorting victims, as of a battle or disaster, to determine medical priority in order to increase the number of survivors”

      Trio: “Three”

    • itsthemelman82 - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM

      EXACTLY!!! Even though the Spurs have a “trio” they stay contending because of the role players fit around Parker, Ginobli & Duncan.

    • blueintown - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM

      The Spurs stay contenders BECAUSE of that trio of hall-of-famers, not the other way around. While the trio has remained the same, the supporting cast has changed and the team has remained successful.

      • itsthemelman82 - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:22 PM

        So I guess you prefer Danny Green over Bruce Bowen? Not that Danny Green is bad but, Bruce Bowen is difference maker as a role player same goes for Robert Horry, who you mentioned earlier. The Spurs have been contenders since ’07 but have won a championship since. You need guys that fit around your stars

  17. kayooger - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    “His three point shooting and solid defense make him a good fit with what the Bulls want to do, he can be a solid part of the rotation.”

    Kurt: I like you. I like your site. But for god’s sake, please familiarize yourself with semicolons. They’re a writer’s best friend.

  18. trybe29dr - Jul 3, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    I have seriously never seen such delusional thinking. The Bulls are at least a few years (at least 3) from being a championship team. Best record the last 2 years means nothing u need more than 1 scoring option to enter the championship conversation. The celtics, heat, thunder, spurs, just to name a few are ahead of chicago and their 1 scoring option. “scrappy” defense and 1 scorer doesnt cut it. People forget just how good Rip Hamilton was. He was an assassin in 04. But the game has changed alot in 8 years. And teams like chicago wouldnt be able to win its just too easy to stop teams with 1 scorer. Just look at the LeBron James Cavs…the similarities are there

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