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Report: Price for Bobcats No. 2 pick? Tyrus Thomas.

Jun 27, 2012, 10:36 AM EDT

Tyrus Thomas

You want your team to jump ahead of everyone (except New Orleans) and pick up Thomas Robinson or Bradley Beal high in the draft? The Bobcats are shopping the No. 2 pick around, you can jump up and get your man.

The price? You have to take on Tyrus Thomas.

That according to Michael Lee of the Washington Post.

According to multiple sources, the Bobcats are trying to convince teams interested in the second pick to also take back disappointing power forward Tyrus Thomas, who has more than $26 million remaining on his contract. Thomas is coming off the worst season since his rookie year as he averaged just 5.6 points and 3.7 rebounds. When asked if teams would be willing to touch Thomas, one Western Conference executive said, “I don’t think so.”

The Post also says the Wizards are getting a lot of calls at No. 3 pick. Owner Ted Leonsis has said in the past he wants to build through the draft and would not trade the pick. Then again, they just traded for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza, which is pretty much opposite of building through the draft and more like trying to become mediocre through trades. Still, it likely takes a monster offer to get Washington to give up the three.

In the end I think nobody touches Thomas. However, the Bobcats might still well make a trade with Cleveland, giving the Cavs the No. 2 and taking their No. 4 and the No. 24 or early second rounders.

  1. canehouse - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

    Good luck with that… this draft is pretty deep… i doubt any team except for MAYBE the Nets would be desperate enough to do something like that,

  2. bparmalee - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    There goes the old Bobcats again… they bought high and now they are trying to sell low. Instead of getting a solid package for the #2 pick they want to do more cost cutting. Why?? So they can attract big time free agents to Charlotte?? Good luck with that. He can’t play any worse than he did this year and in 2 years he will have value for teams looking to dump salary just like Maggette did this year. If they force him into the deal they won’t get nearly as much for the pick or they won’t get any deal at all.

  3. helinhater - Jun 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    If you’re the Bulls, why not offer Deng for the 2 and Tyrus?

    Deng has 2 years and 28 mil left. Tyrus has 4 years and 26 mil left. Tyrus is 25. Luol is 27.

    Chicago could then move the 2 to Cleveland for the 4 and 24. Or try and make a 3 team package to get Boozer off the books. Or simply step up and take Brad Beal to pair with Rose…

    Tyrus could work in Chicago, with the right coaching (Re: Not Vinny Del Negro)

    This year will be, for the most part, a lost cause. At best, without Rose, the Bulls might be able to tread water and get a 6,7,or 8 seed…Why not roll the dice on a perfect running mate to pair with Rose?

    • chicitybulls - Jun 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM

      Wow, where to start with this? Because the Bulls drafted him and gave him away for a pick 5 yrs down the line that they ultimately may not even use, because they are not going to give up one of the better perimeter defenders and their most important defensive player for a headcase that cant seem to get it together, because where is he going to get his minutes behind Boozer, Gibson, Asik and Noah, because they’ll have cap space a lot sooner under Deng’s deal than under Thomas’ deal. Good enough reasons? Oh and Thomas is NOT the “perfect running mate” to pair with Rose just because he can finish ally oops.

      • helinhater - Jun 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM

        Actually, as a matter of fact, I think if you’ve been paying attention, it’s quite clear the Bulls are interested in moving one of two starters.

        So let’s look at this intelligently – They’re not giving up Deng for Thomas. They’d be giving up Deng to pick up Beal/MKG or Barnes. That would be the idea.

        Furthermore, Thomas can play the 3. He can fit into that roster. Who in Charlotte had a good year? Who on this site actually thinks anyone would be effective there?

        Additionally, assume you’re the Cavs and you badly want the 2. Assume the Bulls have the 2. Assume the Bulls would be willing to move the 2…in return for someone taking on Boozer.

        Lastly – you’re wrong. They will not have cap space sooner because of Deng. They will be over the cap either way. If you were familiar with their salary situation, you’d know this.

        By the way – reading comprehension is an amazing skill to develop. Had you developed that skill, you’d understand that I didn’t refer to Thomas as a “perfect running mate” for Rose. I was referring to the addition of a Bradley Beal/MKG/Barnes.

        A young, athletic, cheaper player who might blossom into a very dependable option alongside Rose. With next year seemingly lost, said rookie would have ample opportunity to get acclimated to the NBA, with the Bulls keeping an eye on truly competing in said rookie’s second year in the league, with a fully rehabbed Rose and, hopefully, Boozer off the team.

        Thanks for responding though.

      • canehouse - Jun 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM

        Not mention… Deng is not worth a 2 to the bobcats… compounded by Charlotte also getting a sweet franchise type player with Chicago’s 29th overall pick. Holy Cow I can’t believe that Charlotte wouldn’t be jumping at that dousy of a deal!!!!

    • drunkenjunk - Jun 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

      have you watched either of these guys play helinhater? Do you watch the NBA?

    • 1historian - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:50 PM

      you sound like a Sam Smith fan

  4. ccshocktalk - Jun 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    If I were Charlotte I’d keep Thomas, send him down to the D-League let him rebuff his game while you focus on the rest of the squad. The #2 pick is better to be picked and try to form a trio around Ben Gordon and Kemba Walker. This really is their shot at building a nucleus that plays very well together.

    They wont be the second coming of the Thunder, but they will at least be able to start building the franchise right with young players in Kemba and the number two choice, and having Gordon to help them develop.

    • slopmcflop - Jun 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

      Agreed. I think with Kemba, Biyombo, Gerald Henderson, Ben Gordon, and the #2 pick could give them a pretty competitive starting 5. Tyrus Thomas has the talent, there’s no doubt, he’s just been one of those guys who hasn’t been able to put it all together on the court.

      It’s funny how often teams think you can win by piecing together free agents and trades. You look at any sport, and the teams that have the most consistent success are the ones who look to build through the draft, making sure to grab “their guys”, ones that fit the model and make of the team. The Bobcats hit twice in the draft last year, let’s see if they can have back to back successful drafts.

      • ccshocktalk - Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM

        Yeah, you have to have a system in place and find the players that fit into that system. That system would be something like the Spurs organization has developed and found players to play within that system.

        They found all the guys with the skill sets they want, the attitude, the work ethic, intelligence etc. whatever they want, they look for it. Stay true to the system and it will get you where you want to go.

        If I was in the front office, I would interview guys more for who they are, who they are going to be as a player and what they’ll bring to the franchise as people and a player. So many times these owners draft these thug wanna be’s and they just end up being a big fat turd.

        I’d rather have guys like Tim Duncan than D-Howard, Bynum, KG or even Amare. He keeps his mouth shut, you never hear about his contract, he gives back to the community, the team and he plays hard every single game. Steve Nash is the same way, attitude, personality, and integrity should be key factors in deciding who to draft (obviously bball IQ goes in there as well).

      • eltoro1000 - Jun 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM

        Exactly- pick Thomas Robinson at the #2 and see what you have.

  5. anthwal112 - Jun 27, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Can’t a team like the Toronto Raptors for example trade up for the second pick, take on Tyrus’s contract an then amnesty his contract?

  6. supaherolife - Jun 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    he meant beal being a perfect running mate which is true. tyrus can defend the wing well and he is younger than deng its actually a decent deal for the bulls if its a three team deal including boozer and getting him out chicago. bulls just hope rose can get healthy and not lose anything plus his back too dude is just like AI but not as tough.

  7. rajbais - Jun 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    Tyrus Thomas was a bad pick without hindsight. I never liked him. I felt that he was too short and skinny to be worthy of the 4th pick and when his highlight reel just showed him just dunking and juggling the ball when he was posting up that is when I knew that he was a bad pick.

    Chicago, I told you the truth and you did not listen to me.

    However, Michael Jordan will never listen to anybody who is wise because ever since he entered the pros he and authority never meshed together all the time. Then again all great athletes have that situation because they want to win so badly.

    • slopmcflop - Jun 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      “Hello, rajbais? Yeah hi, this is the entire city of Chicago calling. We had a chance recently to sit down and kind of look at our selection of Tyrus Thomas objectively, and boy, did that ever turn out to be a dud.
      We remember on draft night, you informed us of several points about how Thomas wouldn’t be a good choice, and we laughed you off at the time. We kinda feel bad about that now. In our defense, you were just one random person. On the internet. But still, the fact remains that you were right, and we made the point of reaching out to you with this phone call to voice our apologies.
      From now on, you can be assured that any input you have, the entire city of Chicago is listening. Ok love you buhbye.”

      • rajbais - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:19 AM

        @slopmcflop Bro! Don’t be pissed at me!!!!

        I hate hearing Jay Bilas and Chad Ford kissing asses of rare-flash guys, make baseless predictions on obviously incomplete players, EXCESSIVELY bash guys who have more good to them than they think, and not evaluate like how greater minds have done!!!!

        You need game to play the game!!!!

        You usually are who come out as!!!

        They don’t emphasize that!!! Prior to 2000, there were more players who were able to contribute immediately!!! Immediate contribution is good because players usually gain confidence and build off that and add more to their games!!! In addition, they show that the draft is a good alternative to free agency!!!

        You deserve the cold shoulder PERIOD if you keep on saying that incomplete, but athletic guys will just do only good because you just said so; no legitimate reason to back it up!!!!

        This happened with many of the high school guys and now it’s happening with the flash or feature guys!!!!!

        I’m not saying that it’s easy, but more GM’s and scouts are grading poorer than ever and they’ve made the draft a big waste of time!!!!! In addition, the wrongly drafted players get the contracts that apparently have made these owners profit less!!!!

        You have an issue with me telling the truth??? You’re a jerk because you’re not looking into the fact that everyone is listening to two douches on TV wearing suits who say more about one topic than they do!!! Because the TV douches sound like they know more too many people feel that they’re going to be right when their credibility should have led them to be kicked off draft coverage before Stephen A. Smith was “(Cheese Doodles???)!!!!!

        I’m just saying please question those who blatantly make holes in their analyses!!! Oh yeah, we have all these stats, but we don’t want to point out that the play of these players come onto the stat sheets???

        Why are stats only used for a few guys, but not for all guys??? Why not point out stats that translate from the players’ games???

        You need the WHOLE story!!!!! Size, in game strengths, stats, or anything else worth mentioning!!!!

        Plus, you trust ESPN when they usually don’t rip general managers that truly deserve pink slips????
        Bad GM’s who should have been fired prior to 2011 or 2012 whom ESPN never mentions:
        Joe Dumars, Ernie Grunfeld, Geoff Petrie!!!!!!

        I bring this up because the franchises start with the GM’s and owners and the scouts are products of what the GM’s are made of!!!! The GM has the most security out of anyone that’s not a superstar player!!!! They’re buddies with the owners and the owners are not gutsy enough to study the landscape of the pro game, push for better contracts to prevent entitlement, and both fail to study history to prevent mistakes and prosper like how the great teams did!!!!!

        Jay Bilas and Chad Ford (and sadly Skip Bayless has a voice when he can screw around for a nice living while the unemployment rate is near 9%) regurgitate crap that pretty much come from executives who have no proof or are declining from their point of success!!!!

        I’m sorry, but you have to point out holes when there’s something blatantly wrong!!!! What’s wrong with TV analysis is that there’s too much assumption and talent is not evaluated by what actions are done on the playing surface!!!! I’m 100% not ashamed to brag like this because I doubted the so called “experts” and decided to not be a lemming!!!! If there’s something blatantly wrong going on it should be addressed immediately!!! We didn’t and we lost years of NBA Finals appearances!!!!

    • slopmcflop - Jul 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM

      Yo bro,

      I had no issues with what you said, I just found this line

      >Chicago, I told you the truth and you did not listen to me.

      amusing to me, and made it literal and into a funny, which didn’t go over well apparently. I liked your response, although a bit long winded and exclamation pointy, but you bring up good points. Anywhoo, keep on keeping on.

      • rajbais - Jul 11, 2012 at 10:51 PM


        Eh … I went a little far, but big problems will need big (but elongated) talk.

        It’s just that there have been blatantly bad drafts since 2000 or 2001.

        Owners hire inept people as GM’s because they sound like they knew what they are talking about and today’s scouts are a product of those bad GM’s.

        Plus, no one studies NBA history to get an idea of what takes to be great and to prevent others’ past mistakes.

        The best GM’s in NBA history were ex-coaches and those with coaches’ eyes usually never selected incomplete players and made baseless and blanketed predictions. The inept ones who are not ex-coaches or not trained under the like are similar to the NFL’s Jacksonville Jaguars in 2005. That year was when they used a first round pick on a 4.3 seconds 40-yard dash ex-Arkansas QB Matt Jones and felt this inaccurate and unpolished, but speedy athlete will be a receiver because ex-NCAA QB’s Drew Bennett and Antwaan Randle-El were.

        You have to study growth and the evolutions of players. In the old days the players with holes took time, but the guys who dominated college and were present all over the court always made immediate contributions, got exposed to the game; got better and became great.

        The GM’s and scouts did this to themselves and owners need to study the GM history. They keep bad GM’s for too long and people wonder why their teams suck. Just go ask the Pistons, Kings, Wizards, Raptors, and other teams with playoff droughts. What is the commonality among the consistently bad teams, bad GM. These guys make Jerry Krause look like Jerry West, the greatest GM ever, and Krause broke up the Bulls. He was nothing without Phil Jackson and no one wants a part of him.

  8. lakerluver - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Thomas is a huge bust!! Who would’ve ever thought his college teammate, Big Baby Davis, would be a better pro? The writing was on the wall when the dude thought the slam dunk competition was beneath him. To me it just showed that he had a sense of entitlement and an inflated opinion of himself as a basketball player.

    • blueintown - Jun 27, 2012 at 8:56 PM

      Anybody who watched basketball would have guessed that. Tyrus Thomas’ greatest asset – his only real asset – was that he could jump. That’s it. That’s literally the only thing he had going for him. And the Bulls looked at that and said “no thanks, Lamarcus Aldridge”.

  9. jengibre23 - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Wizards Got the best of a terrible trade. Arica was good for 1 season an emeka okafor…. Really? He has never lived up to his potential coming out of uconn. Just pick Beal and help out john wall with some scorer on the wing

  10. mcjon22 - Jun 28, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Makes no sense to trade Tyrus Thomas. I mean, they already have him and Ben Gordon, they can sign Ben Wallace and Kirk Hinrich as free agents this year. Maybe they trade the 2nd straight up for Deng and properly put the band back together. Too bad Scott Skiles isn’t there coach though, or Vinny Del Negro, that would of been perfect.

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