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Report: Bulls considering moving Joakim Noah or Luol Deng for pick and cap exception

Jun 23, 2012, 9:44 PM EDT

Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng AP

The Bulls are in a lot of trade conversations, which is kind of weird. The team was the No.1 overall seed in the playoffs despite Rose having missed all that time, and Rose was the number one, no questions asked, absolute reason the Bulls fell to the Sixers. Why would they mess with what’s working so well? But for whatever reason, either their people, or the people they’re talking to, are very chatty right now.

The newest one is a doozy. The New York Daily News reports the Bulls are seeking a trade for Luol Deng or Joakim Noah in exchange for a lottery pick and a trade exception. Yeah. A trade exception. From the NYDN:

The Bulls want to give Omer Asik and Taj Gibson new deals, so they’re exploring ways to trade Luol Deng and/or Joakim Noah to teams that can send them a trade exception and a No. 1 pick.

via After coaching a dynasty with the L.A. Lakers, Pat Riley is looking to do the same as president of the Miami Heat – NY Daily News.

Now, it’s  possible that this is the Bulls’ approach. Here’s why. If Bulls ownership is looking to cut future salary to ensure their ability to get under the luxury tax to avoid the repeater tax in 2015, they can get Asik and Gibson for cheaper deals overall than Deng and Noah. Deng’s got $27 million owed over the next two seasons, Noah is owed $48 million over the next four. Moving either one and having Asik and Gibson could help them keep the core together and avoid the repeater tax, especially if they amnesty Carlos Boozer.

Why would Bulls ownership just eat the Boozer salary in an amnesty situation? Wouldn’t that just equal the repeater penalty? Not necessarily. Remember that once Boozer hits waivers, any team can bid for part of his salary, which comes off what the Bulls have to pay him. Boozer has enough value that you just know a team would make a bid of up to half his remaining salary and still be getting a bargain. That, plus losing Noah and Deng’s money, would give the Bulls an out from the repeater tax, and some flexibility if they want to make another move.

That said… really?

Deng’s a top-five defender in this league, an NBA All-Star who’s shot has been on fire the past two seasons and plays perfectly next to Rose. Noah is a sparkplug center with versatility who you can lean on when someone’s missing or you need a play. You’re going to give that up for the subs and cap relief? It’s hard to believe, but one thing we’ve already seen is the league acting really weird in regards to that repeater tax. The Lakers and Mavericks have both been casting a wary eye towards it.

It could win up reshaping the league, and the Bulls could be a victim. For now, though, throw this one in the “probably not” pile.

  1. dontezc - Jun 23, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Would be a nice addition for NO Davis, Deng, Noah, Gordon…. A nice core
    Charlotte as well two defensive minded players with their young players…would be nice

  2. Mr. Wright 212 - Jun 23, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    First of all, Rose may not play at all next season, that’s why.

    Secondly, they need to give themselves more options so that they don’t end up taking three steps back as a 42-40 team (this past season of wins without Rose was a fluke) with guards like Watson (a UFA, BTW) and Lucas III.

    MITCH KUPCHAK WILL BE ON LINE 1 VERY SOON.

    • bparmalee - Jun 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM

      Mitch Kupchak can call but the Lakers don’t have a lottery pick or the cap space to create a trade exception. If Bulls want young players and flexibility they can’t get that from any trade with the Lakers.

    • blueintown - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:15 PM

      The wins were a “fluke”, or did the refs facilitate all of their victories? Inquiring minds want to know.

    • chitownmatt - Jun 25, 2012 at 11:51 AM

      Rose WILL play next year…

      Probably the entire second half of the season.

      Rose will be as good or even better than before. (most ACL surgeries eventually report feeling better post-op.)

      The Bulls would be stupid to trade their best all around guy in Deng… who will also be much better post-op as his wrist was a major issue last season.

      And to everyone else… a healthy Bulls team can absolutely compete with the Heat. And, ANY playoff team in the NBA is only one twisted ankle from a from a first round exit…. if it had been James or Wade blowing out a knee in the first round instead of Rose, things would be very different today.

  3. fnc111 - Jun 23, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    What the writer fails to understand is the bulls will never beat the heat with their current roster and on top of that rose most likely won’t even play next season. It’s been discussed already on Chicago radio, about blowing up this roster and rebuilding towards the future with some lottery picks since the rose acl changed everything.

  4. hartdaddy - Jun 23, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    Luol Deng or Joakim Noah decide to request a trade or express intrest in playing for a different team before their respective contracts are up & they’ll be panned as “selfish” or “disloyal” but Bulls management wants to shop these two around freely, talking trades & what not for draft picks & nobody gets upset over this? Hell people will actually come up with trade ideas to benifit the Bulls on their own part. Luol Deng’s an all star for his team & the Bulls wouldn’t be as good as they are if not for Noah, what does any of that get you? Not a damn thing, GMs will look a player in his eyes & promise to them “Hey Luol, your a cornerstone of our team & what were trying to do here” then bam turn right around & trade is ass for a number. This is why The Lebrons, Carmelos, Dwights & Chris Pauls don’t feel any desire to stay loyal to a franchise & play their for the rest of their careers, they know the feeling ain’t mutual.

  5. camnellum12 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    So, when can we call Derrick Rose the next Penny Hardaway?

    • mcjon22 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:14 PM

      Um, never?

      • camnellum12 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        Haha by the way Derrick’s knee is looking, it’s hard to say. Wasn’t Penny supposed to take over the league for years to come just like Rose, before the injury.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:53 PM

      He’s going to have to alter his game. I know Penny lost a ton of explosiveness both in quickness (he was DART quick before that) and leaping ability.

      • isd87 - Jun 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

        Do people know that Penny Hardaway never tore an ACL? Neither did Jason Kidd or Amare Stoudemire. I could be mistaken but I think they all had microfracture surgery. Baron Davis tore an ACL in college, Al Jefferson did as well, Nene did, Corey Brewer, Kyle Lowry. ACL surgery is nowhere near as hit or miss as microfracture surgery, since… you know they are two different surgeries. So no the Anfernee Hardaway comparison is well off the mark.

  6. mcjon22 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    It makes sense because Deng is coming off an all star appearance. His value will never be higher than it is now. Throw in the fact he is owed some big money over the next 2 years and they desperately need another scorer besides Rose, why wouldn’t you make that move for a lottery pick? No way they would trade Noah and doubtful anyone would deal with his contract. He has a trade claus that kicks is salary up to $14 mil if traded. Noah’s good, but not that good. Outside of Tyrus Thomas, this front office has been money in the first round, especially lottery picks. Deng, Noah, Rose, Gibson, Asik, over the past drafts is very solid. I don’t think it happens though. Who’s gonna trade a lottery pick for a guy who will probably miss the first month or two of the season next year AND who is owed a bunch of money? I could see Deng for Gasol though, although I don’t know what the hell you would do with Boozer then.

    • camnellum12 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM

      We don’t want Boozer, leave the Lakers outta of it.

  7. progress2011 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    Send Noah to the Heat !

    The Heat DEFINITELY need a guy that fills the middle and allow Bosh to move back to his preferred position of PF. The Heat have about 21.5 Million in garbage salaries

    M. Miller – 5 M
    Haslem – 3.8 M
    J.Anthony- 3.3M
    J.Jones- 1.5 M
    Turiaf – 4.4M
    Pittmant – 1.M
    Curry – 1.2
    J.Howard – 1.3

    This will be a win-win because the Bulls will get as many of these “plugs” as they want, to clear out Noah’s salary and cut these guys, when they get them. The Heat will get a guy that plays big and is big.

    • 91devinhester23 - Jun 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM

      im sure the bulls management would just be thrilled to send our 3rd best player to our biggest adversary for nothing

      like.. really man? really?

      • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 4:10 AM

        SOooooo….you don’t see the ” Big Picture” !!!

        D. Howard is DEFINITELY leaving Orlando & MIA is surely looking for a true center !

        Are you suggesting that the Bulls keep Noah at all cost and forgo any real chance to land D. Howard !!!

        Conversely, the Magic would could possibly get the Heat garbage players. Because they can’t build a franchise around Noah and Deng. The Magic can relax for next season and then the new GM can make a serious push to get Deron Williams, the following year.

        Think “Big Picture” and why the Bulls management would consider allowing Noah and / or Deng to be trade-bait !!!

      • Tim Donaghy Institute of Refereeing - Jun 24, 2012 at 9:38 AM

        Once again, please consider that most Heat fans are new to the NBA. It’s not his fault. He’s trying, but it will just take some time.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Jun 24, 2012 at 12:00 AM

      The Heat are woefully over the cap. They are not free agency players until James opts out in two years.

      • Mr. Wright 212 - Jun 24, 2012 at 12:01 AM

        Nor would such a trade work.

    • tubal22 - Jun 24, 2012 at 12:03 AM

      Except for:

      M. Miller – 5 M
      Haslem – 3.8 M
      J.Anthony- 3.3M
      J.Jones- 1.5 M
      Turiaf – 4.4M
      Pittmant – 1.M
      Curry – 1.2
      J.Howard – 1.3

      != lottery pick and MLE

      • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 3:47 AM

        Tubal….I think we scared the krap outta some of the MIA haters !!!

        I will add a little more logic:

        1. Rose probably will not play. So, what difference does it make, if they trade Noah to the Heat, the Bulls won’t be a contender anyway, without Rose.

        2. If the Bulls trade Noah, they can then free up even more room (Salary & in the paint), to entice D. Howard.

        3. Who cares if the Bulls trade Noah to the Heat, if the Bulls can land D. Howard.

        The top 3-5 teams in the East will then be as thrilling as the West.

        This is a potential win-win for every NBA fan on the planet !

    • caseybojangles - Jun 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM

      this post would make sense if:

      1. you weren’t such an idiot
      2. turiaf has a player option for 1.2M next year no 4.4M
      3. pittman has no contract for next year
      4. curry has no contract for next year
      5. howard has no contract for next year
      6. miller, while under contract, may retire given his injuries.
      7. miami is well over the cap now and taking on a long term noah contract at a high value is a non starter under the new cba.

      the heat have their championship team core locked in for the next 2 seasons and then it will get interesting on what they will do to keep it going under a very punitive tax for teams that repeatedly go over the cap.

      • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM

        Bojangles…Are you the biscuit maker at the restaurant ! But I digress !

        Your comments CONFIRM why it would be a good trade for the Bulls. All of the expiring contracts is EXACTLY what they need to attempt to land D. Howard.

        You’ve been smelling too much of that chicken grease, if you can’t understand those simple economics !

      • loungefly74 - Jun 25, 2012 at 8:53 AM

        @caseybojangles …you nailed it right away with…”1. you weren’t such an idiot”

        please excuse our friend progress2011, the guy is a maniac.

    • 35longmiles - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:43 PM

      Calling Haslem a garbage salary confirms that you ain’t got a clue.

      • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 9:57 PM

        Haslem is Do-Do !!!

        He is an undersized, wanna-be power forward ! He is listed at 6’8″ but he is probably 6’7″ AT BEST because LBJ towers over him, when they stand side-by-side. He can’t jump and he is too small to box anybody out. He is only an inch taller than kobe and should be playing guard BUT because he is slow afoot and has no real skills, they stuck him at PF.

        Let the facts speak/ as opposed to your raw emotion:
        FGA- 357 vs FGM 151 = 42 % shooting
        Points per game average= 6
        Blocks per game = 0.4 (which is less than 1 per game)
        Offensive Rebounds per game= 1.8

        At 6’7, 235lbs with no-hops, who is he defending, at a Power Forward position !
        Is he defending Blake- NO!
        Can he Check Garnett-NO,
        Stoudemire-NO,
        Gasol – NO,
        Dirk- NO,
        Zack Randolph- NO,
        DeMarcus Cousins- NO,
        Duncan – NO,
        LeMarcus Aldridge- NO
        Durant- Heck No
        ….In Fact, What Power Forward can Haslem Check !!!

        I know, he is a local fan favorite….BUT after the facts I have slapped you with….any money a team pays him is toooo much ! Unless he is getting water and towels for the team !!!

  8. philtration - Jun 24, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    This better be part of bringing Dwight Howard to Chicago.

  9. bigtrav425 - Jun 24, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    i understand Noah for sure! Same as Anderson from my Cavs..Overrated and Over paid.bottom line

  10. 420hippy - Jun 24, 2012 at 3:15 AM

    NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

  11. 24thesho - Jun 24, 2012 at 6:58 AM

    Dwight Howard should not even be playing in the NBA, he should be playing in Europe; he’s an overrated, overpaid idiot who thinks he’s better than he is. No post game, can’t shoot, have not seen any great passes. poor free throw shooter, and…….., he will always throw his team mates under the bus when it suits him. Okay, that was a bit harsh, but, you get the drift.

  12. iowahbr - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    It used to be about players and coaches and now it’s all about money. This story is about how little money that the Bulls current owner wants to spend to develop a Heat beater since the Bulls home games are already pure sell-outs. The owners agreed to all these salary limit penalty rules and now they have to live with them.

    Despite having the best regular season NBA record the last 2 years it might be over for the current Bulls group. What the Bulls really need is an owner with deeper pockets and that doesn’t come through the lottery system.

    • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 9:56 AM

      Hey iowahbr,

      I can feel your passion for the game. But I disagree with you on a couple of fronts:

      1. It used to be about players and coaches and now it’s all about money – It’s always been about money. Some owners and markets have A LOT more than others.

      2. Boston, L.A. and N.Y have used the Yankee’s philosophy of out-spending everyone else, to get whatever player(s) they want. Which is why these franchises have been able to re-load every year. Which is why smaller market teams, needed this new CBA, in order to attempt to equalize the spending.

      3. There is no Heat-Beater !!! Because players will want to play with LBJ because he plays ” FUNDAMENTAL ” team bbal, Free Agents will take less money (as they did this year) for an opportunity to play with a non-ball hawk who plays hero ball (aka kobe type of player).

      4. Apparently, that idea scares the krap outta the other posters here. Because the Heat will be able to re-load. Not because they will outspend anyone. But because quality players will make sacrifices to play for the Heat.

      This is logic 101……watch how many thumbs down I get…..ahahahaha…..it still doesn’t change logical thoughts that can be comprehended by non-neanderthals…..ahahahaha

  13. chiadam - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:47 AM

    Shaking the team up a little in an attempt to win a title is fine. But that’s not what this is. The Bulls are second-class citizens in the eyes of their own owner. He much prefers his White Sox. In fact, pre2005, he often said he would trade all six Bulls rings for one Sox ring. Reinsdorf is a cheap, cheap NBA owner. He takes the cheap route on coaching hires (Floyd, Cartwright, Del Negro) and then won’t pay the cheap hire that did pan out (Thibs). The Bulls – a team with real title hopes – wasted a first round pick on a guy that will be in Europe until 2017 just to avoid having to pay him. The team has never gone into the tax range, and they clearly nevr will. That’s what this is about. You don’t trade a damn All-Star for a lottery pick in a wretched draft and cap space. And moving Deng does not get Gibson on the floor. Gibson plays power. Deng plays small. Moving Boozer gets Gibson on the floor, and gives you the best defense in the NBA.

  14. asublimeday - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Tubal….I think we scared the krap outta some of the MIA haters !!!

    I will add a little more logic:

    1. Rose probably will not play. So, what difference does it make, if they trade Noah to the Heat, the Bulls won’t be a contender anyway, without Rose.

    2. If the Bulls trade Noah, they can then free up even more room (Salary & in the paint), to entice D. Howard.

    3. Who cares if the Bulls trade Noah to the Heat, if the Bulls can land D. Howard.

    The top 3-5 teams in the East will then be as thrilling as the West.

    This is a potential win-win for every NBA fan on the planet !
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    • chiadam - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

      Dwight Howard DOES NOT WANT TO COME TO CHICAGO! WRITE IT DOWN!! PLEASE! ENOUGH DWIGHT HOWARD TALK!! HE…DOES…NOT…WANT…TO..COME…TO..CHI…CA…GO!!!!!

      • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 10:33 AM

        Chiadam….

        I hope you are not taking D.Howards comments he made at face value, when he was still in negotiations with the Magic.

        He said the politically correct things, he is supposed to say. He wanted to be a Magic player.

        I hope you didn’t think, he would come out and say ” I Want To Be Traded To the Bulls…Our Conference Rivals…I Love Chicago ” !!!

        Now that we know, no professional should ever suggest they want to play with a conference rival. Contact the Bulls front office, the mayor, governor and the local influential gang leaders.

        With the history of illegal gangs and politicians that seem like gang members, in Chicago…Anything Is Possible !!!

        Ahahahaha

    • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM

      ass-sublime….

      Feel free to re-post all of my comments !

      I know you probably spend all day posting on countless blogs. Copy-Cut-Paste my logical posts, that clearly state facts and good bball conversation.

      Post my comments on all of your blogs…..it may help to continue to educate the hoi polloi !

      Thanks in advance,

      Progress

  15. chiadam - Jun 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    …but I love the idea of a team that can’t score deciding that more Omer Asik and Taj Gibson is just what they need. Asik handles the ball like a drunk guy with mittens on. He can’t even catch it, and when he does manage to catch it, he insists on dropping the ball back to his waist so he can get fouled and clank two freebies.

  16. 1historian - Jun 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    Riley landed Bosh & James for Miami 2 years ago, then he went out and got some supporting cast, last season they got the kinks out.

    This season they won it going away. That scary scenario that all non-Heat fans – me among them – were so afraid of is here.

    Riley knows what he is doing and he can play the game as well as anyone, and there remains the fact that it will be easier for him to get F.A. players who want a ring when you have the big 3 in their prime in Miami.

    Miami is on top because Riley is the best. I still don’t like the SOB but facts are facts.

    • progress2011 - Jun 24, 2012 at 10:18 AM

      AAAaaah….Historian,

      I appreciate the fact that you are a non-heat fan. But you can ” think logically ” to make a clear assessment of the facts on the ground.
      There is something to be said for people with the ability to not always blindly hate and not be truthful, within themselves.
      I am not a FANATICAL fan, that will paint my body and run around shirtless, in sub-zero weather. But I do enjoy good FUNDAMENTAL bball and discussing it with other “thinkers”.

      Your post is a refreshing break from the slew of barbarians here that cannot produce rational thoughts. So, I’m not sure if we will ever agree again. But today……I Thank You for your comment.

      Respectfully,

      Progress

  17. philwauke - Jun 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Please call the hornets!

  18. thacloser86 - Jun 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Exactly the reason the 90’s Bulls was broken up because of STUPID decisions like this time for new ownership or Something

  19. knightrider1755 - Jun 24, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Noah belongs in Brooklyn.

  20. wlubake - Jun 24, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    The Mavs can come very close to offering this. Instead of trade exceptions, though, they have some team-friendly contracts with options. Odom and Carter. Plus the 17th pick, while not lottery, is very close to lottery. If Chicago has to settle, I can see Dallas being a landing spot for one of these guys. Should help reel in Deron.

  21. isujames - Jun 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    It’s not like they were going to be a real threat to my Heat anyway, even before the D. Rose injuries. They don’t have enough firepower (offense).Their owner is doing what is best for the bulls in the future knowing that Rose may not return anytime soon.The Noah to the Heat sounds good to me but it ain’t happening, end of discussion.

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