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NBA considers penalizing floppers day after incident

Jun 19, 2012, 10:32 AM EDT

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David Stern does not like where all this flopping is going. You can like to believe that its because Stern cares about the integrity of the game, I tend to believe he doesn’t like the PR hit the league has been taking on the issue, but either way he wants to crack down.

That may include watching video and handing out fines for flopping the day after, Stern said Monday after his newly formed competition committee met for six hours.

That kind of review is what the league already does for flagrant fouls and technicals, they get upgraded and downgraded all the time. This would be an extension of that, the league calling out obvious flops with a fine, Stern said. He even joked about the call players would get.

“Greetings from the league office. You have been assigned flopper status. No, I’m joking, but something like that,” Stern said. “That sort of lets people know that it’s not enough to say `it’s all part of the game.”‘

I think this can help with some of the most egregious flops. However, there are a lot of players who exaggerate existing contact and will be harder to determine and fine guys for. Basically, this is not going away totally. But maybe it can stop the plays where it looks like guys were shot by a sniper in the arena.

Any rule changes would need to be approved by this committee and then by the Board of Governors (the owners).

  1. 69jaredallen69 - Jun 19, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    Poor D-Wade he might as well prepay and hope they give him a discount of some sort

    • hgulkkcaj - Jun 19, 2012 at 10:45 AM

      CP3 could just have an automatic withdrawal come out every month.

    • edweird0 - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

      You know Hardens gunna go bankrupt

    • reesesteel23 - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM

      D-wade goes to the floor with little or no contact after he’s already airborn….Big difference…I dont mind going to the floor.unless you want to end up like D Rose…

      • lmoneyfresh - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:26 PM

        I don’t see a difference at all. Just because it’s not a traditional “flop” doesn’t mean he’s exempt for playing up little/no contact for a foul. Same concept and it should still apply. Especially considering he rolls around on the floor looking for a ref to cry to.

      • markbledsoe52 - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:29 AM

        Another problem the NBA needs to address is the way fouls are called. I know that most fans are exicted by big scores. Basketball is a game supposed to be about finess and power, but the NBA has erred with the desire to get scoring as the main draw to fans. Flopping is a big problem the other problem is the way fouls are called. When i learned to play the player the caused the contact was called for the foul. There was a concept of verticality. The defensive man was allow to jump straight up. Now the offensive player is allow to jump into a defensive player and the foul most times is called on the defensive player just because he left his feet. It cost alot of money to field a team and people want to see the stars but if the stars jumps or runs over other players he should be called for the foul. The is what the bench players are for. The refs seems that catch fouls on the outside when players are shooting but rarely catch the fouls after a player has driven to the hole and completed a score. Haven’t they heard about deep ball foul Chris Bosh has wipe out Russel Westbrook on more that one ocassion after failing to block the shot and Russel has ended a couple of rows back. Alot of people would say that then the refs have too much control on the outcome of the game but they already do when these types of fouls are not called. Stick out your leg when the man jumps past you Dwade should not entitle you to go to the free throw line. Sticking out you leg to ward off a taller man from blocking your shot should not exempt you from being called for a foul. The NBA was a lot of work to do the return the game to whwere i used to be A Game Of Finess First With Power.

    • gmen4life33 - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      Lol. Truth is this is exactly how the NBA should handle flopping. Asking the Refs to call technical or make in-game rulings on flopping is too hard. Next day fines, and suspension after “X” amount of flops is perfect.

      More than the fines themselves, counting the amount of flops as a STAT will stop players from doing it. How embarrassed would Wade/CP3/Harden be if they were leading the NBA in flopping? Someone like Lebron wouldnt risk his image taking a hit by flopping in the playoffs.

      Really smart by Stern. Now all he has to do is 1) Create an independent source that evaluates every game for each Ref and ranks them, with the best working and worst being replaced by younger Refs and 2) Have the NBA Draft LIVE or videotape the “backdoor” raffle and put it online after the draft.

  2. ajpurp - Jun 19, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Poor D Wade? He might throw his arms up and act like an idiot but at least when he goes down there is some sort of contact even if minimal. This affects the man who the term sniper fire was coined for and who would be dead a thousand times over if it were true…Dereck fisher.

  3. hwatt - Jun 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    where’s the news on challenging the refs to do a better job? Nice band-aid on the flesh-eating virus though

    • bougin89 - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      If I could give your comment 10 thumbs up I would.

    • trueballs - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM

      You don’t think the refs are doing the best they can? Remember, they are not watching the game through the 12 camera angles we have on TV. They’re on the ground, usually looking up at these athletes. Contact can be so quick..and when 2 players violently throw themselves to the floor it puts the ref in a tough situation. I think the solution is to add one more ref.. that way there is less chance that one of them is out of position.

      • chicitybulls - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:27 PM

        That’s a cop out for the refs. They may be doing the best they can but its still not good enough. I mean there are lots of people that can get in there and do the best they can. Their job is to get it right. That’s all most fans want out of refs/umps, regardless of the sport. I’m sorry, I just dont let them off that easy.

      • gmen4life33 - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM

        Good point, but I think the solution is to the let the cream rise to the top, sort of speak. The league should have people go back and look at every call, and determine if the Ref in the correct spot made the RIGHT or WRONG call (if too close to call, give Ref benefit of doubt).

        No “Superstar treatment”, no “home team got the call” (those 2 things arent in the rule book last time I checked), just right or wrong. Was it a foul? Was it a travel? Thats it. Give each Ref a % for each game and keep record. The Refs will shape up, or be replaced. “Joey Crawford is getting 88% of calls right this season”, and such.

      • chicitybulls - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:58 PM

        Exactly. Just like that down the stretch or during the last min or so of the game it’s not a foul b.s. If it’s a foul in the beginning of the game it’s a foul at the end of the game. The rule book doesn’t say anything about it being a foul depending on the time left on the clock. And people will say “let the players decide the game”. Well they are. If they foul then they are deciding the game by playing bad defense.

    • pooflingingmonkey - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM

      There’s no excuse for the poor officiating except for fixing these games. This season has been so blatant I can’t believe people aren’t demanding better (and more) officials.

  4. reesesteel23 - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Beware: Entire Spurs Roster

  5. michflaguy - Jun 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    Penalizing floppers? This could put a real damper on the Lakers’ chances since all they have are players who grew up in Europe playing soccer, where flopping during play is an art form. : – )

  6. 49ersgiants4life - Jun 19, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Basketball has turned into such a weak sport every time a player gets a finger on them it’s a foul unless it is Lebron James finger than its not haha football is going down the same path also sad to see

  7. cantonbound13 - Jun 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    So much for the Heats game plan if the NBA does crack down

    • edweird0 - Jun 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

      So much for you not being a pathetic loser. But alas, what can you do.

  8. gmsingh - Jun 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    That’s a brilliant move by Stern–keep the fix in place by the refs but “penalize” guys for milking the fouls after the game has already been decided.

    • pooflingingmonkey - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:50 PM

      You noticed the fix too? Glad I’m not the only one.

      • gmsingh - Jun 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM

        Expect an awful lot of whining as a response.

      • gmsingh - Jun 20, 2012 at 4:24 PM

        P.S. Here is an article from Yahoo on that very subject:–nba.html

  9. rocketsbb - Jun 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Finally David stern is doing something good

  10. xli2006 - Jun 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    The Dwayne Wade Rule.

  11. rooney24 - Jun 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    I am not sure how it will work, but I applaud the NBA if they can even cut back the flopping a little bit. Don’t want this to turn into soccer.

  12. pooflingingmonkey - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    “You can like to believe that its because Stern cares about the integrity of the game”

    I tend to believe that David Stern is the most corrupt figure in all of sports. Please, if at all possible, try to refrain from using “integrity” and “David Stern” in the same sentence.

  13. markbledsoe52 - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    Too bad they are just looking at flopping maybe the could also look a palming the ball. There are alot of palming calls that should be called but what the heck you can’t enforce all the rules can you.You shouldn’t be able to cross over dribble one bounce from one side to the other without palming the ball. I studied geometry and still don’t understand why palming wasn’t called Michael Jordan.

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