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LeBron, Pierce foul out of sadly whistle-happy game

Jun 4, 2012, 11:16 AM EST

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The biggest problem for the NBA is that the day after every major game we are discussing the officiating.

And the officiating — particularly late in Game 4 of Miami and Boston — was a key part of the story Sunday. There were five offensive foul calls in the second half of the fourth quarter and overtime. Joey Crawford and crew were not shy with the borderline calls. Both LeBron James and Paul Pierce fouled out offensive fouls.

Every fan base is sure the officials are out to screw them, and like any good conspiracy theory there is just enough “evidence” fuel the speculation. Thing is, in this case there were just a series of bad calls.

Like the call that fouled LeBron out of the game. LeBron was trying to establish post position and Mickael Pietrus pulled the chair. Both men fell. ABC analyst Jeff Van Gundy said you have to make some kind of call there, I say he’s wrong. No you don’t. LeBron picked up his fifth foul on a cop-out “double foul” call and fouled out on this.

LeBron had not fouled out of any game since 2008, which considering he draws some tough defensive assignments is an impressive feat. He had never fouled out of a playoff game. But in this game the calls were tight and there was no “play on.”

Pierce has fouled out three times in the last two series, which seems a strange trend but he’s picking up a lot of offensive fouls.

And he fouled out on one — he was coming across the lane, Shane Battier ran in front of him, Pierce did bring his arm up and Battier went down. Could have, should have been a no call in my book, but the whistle blew.

All game long it was like this. Ray Allen stepped out of bounds then passed to Keyon Dooling for a key first half three. On one play Pierce was fouled by LeBron, but only after Pierce had traveled to get the shot. That somehow was a no call.

And there was no shortage of flopping by both teams all night.

So we end up with another game where the NBA’s officiating is at the heart of the post-game conversation. This time it’s not Boston fans whining about perceived injustice (they shouldn’t this game, they caught some real breaks), it was just uneven all night.

And the bigger problem for the NBA is there are no easy answers out there.

There is not some magical pool of better officials out there the NBA is ignoring. (If you think so, you forgot what the scab refs looked like last labor fight.) More replay all game is not the answer. The game is fast and filled with big men and whatever the officials do they are wrong. “Superstars get all the calls” but then they call some on LeBron and Pierce and we point out they were not good calls. All we can ask for is consistency.

There just wasn’t any Sunday night.

  1. 1972wasalongtimeago - Jun 4, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    This is why I understand/support Wade/LeBron not driving to the basket on their last shot attempts. They know that if they do, they’re going to get hit, but they don’t want to leave the fate of the games in the hands of the officials. The refs don’t care who wins or loses, but they are extremely unpredictable.

    So Wade and LeBron correctly trust their own talents. Make or miss, they’ll live with it. We all know going in we’re living and dying with DW and LBJ, so let them get a good look and do their thing. Hoping for a call at the buzzer on the road? Thanks, but no thanks.

    • kappneffect - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM

      Nice way to gloss it over… Drive it and draw the foul…. that’s what the greats do.

      • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM

        What if the ref doesn’t call it? What if he gets called for a charge? Since every time a Celtic is called for a foul, it’s evidence of a national conspiracy in favor of the Heat, it has been clear that they aren’t going to give the Heat a 50/50 call, especially at the buzzer on the road.

        He was wide open. It looked like it was going in. I’ll take my chances with Dwyane Wade making an open shot over my chances that Joey Crawford is going to blow the whistle at the buzzer, in Boston Garden, for anything less than an attempted murder.

        Centimeters dude.

      • kappneffect - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM

        If the ref doesn’t call it shouldn’t even be a thought…. that’s not the way to think at all.. That’s like… why try, what if I fail? They are pros not joes and should play like it. LBJ though… c’mon. He’s a a giant out there, but rarely does he think like that… Oh well.

      • caseybojangles - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

        so kobe isn’t great? that’s all that guy does is pull up for that J…and you KNOW that’s what he’s going to do from the second he touches the ball in the last seconds. a guy named jordan was the same…

      • kappneffect - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:18 PM

        That’s his game though… Dwade and LBJ have suspect jumps shots and the lane should be where they live…

      • caseybojangles - Jun 4, 2012 at 4:44 PM

        cmon man…these two guys having suspect jump shots…that’s your PERCEPTION of the truth. let’s compare the numbers…

        Career FG% comparison the three
        kobe: .453 (.430 for 11-12 season)
        LBJ: .483 (.531 for 11-12 season)
        DWade: .486 (.497 for 11-12 season)

        sure…dunks are high percentage shots and arguably LBJ and Wade dunk/attack the basket more…ok so let’s just look at the easiest jump shot comparison…3 point FG %

        Career 3P FG% comparison the three
        kobe: .337 (.303 for 11-12 season)
        LBJ: .331 (.362 for 11-12 season)
        DWade: .291 (.268 for 11-12 season)

        Kobe is putting up worse numbers than his career avg arguably due to age so but i put both up anyway. LBJ however is getting better in both overall FG% and 3P FG% in the last season than his career avg.

        Sure DWade was worse this season than his career from the beyond the arc but I think Wade did the right thing in going for the win. With LBJ out, I think its arguable that the Heat had a less of a chance to win in double OT and Wade made the good decision to go for the win now and get out of there. Wade had a good look at the shot and took it. And it looked good…even Doc said as such in the post game interview. Sometimes it goes and sometime it doesn’t.

      • caseybojangles - Jun 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM

        …and might i add that one can argue that greats go for the win, not the tie…wade went for the win

    • j0esixpack - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:34 PM

      Driving to the basket on the last play is usually the time when players – especially those favored by the NBA like LeBron and Wade – can expect the officials WON’T blow the whistle.

      With these crews I’m not so sure, but the reality is driving to the basket is a higher percentage shot than a 3.

      The number of offensive fouls called, against the Celtics and Rondo in particular was outrageous – and I can only interpret that as Stern telling the officials to focus on that.

      The bottom line for Stern is ever since the Donaghy scandal no one trusts NBA officials – and all these questionable calls on both teams makes things worse.

      Ultimately Stern owns that perception and it’s up to him to change it. Thus far he’s only made it worse.

  2. savvybynature - Jun 4, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Anyone think a fan-friendly step to end the flopping would be to scale back or eliminate the bonus?
    I don’t want to see a guy get free throws for getting bumped 60 feet from the basket. I want to see a basketball game, not a free throw shooting contest.
    Would make fouls less important and put the game more in the hands of players and not the refs. If fouls are less important, there is less incentive to flop.
    Personally, I think seeing FT #s in a game like 40 for one team and 30 for the other are ridiculous, and it would also eliminate the “Hack-A-Whoever.”

    • kidneystoner - Jun 4, 2012 at 11:51 AM

      Of course, without the bonus, if your team is down with less than 24 seconds left, the game is over. The opponent can just hold the ball at halfcourt until the buzzer sounds

    • skids003 - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:25 PM

      So you are saying just don’t call fouls? That’s whats wrong with the game now, it’s become more of a knock around physical beat them up game because officials do let more go.

  3. rexryanstoecheese - Jun 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Moore must be here to offset Helin’s anti-Boston spins.
    Conveniently left out Wade’s blatant body-check of Pierce on the “steal/strip….Or the imaginary travel on Garnett when only the heel of his pivot foot left the floor but his foot didn’t actually move from it’s spot.
    Even though Pic and headline to head the story should’ve been Wade’s scot-free mugging of Pierce. Guess Pierce doesn’t rate like his highness.
    Helin, you from LA, or what?

  4. canehouse - Jun 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Crawford swallowed his whistle when Allen was clearly out of bounds on the baseline on his kickout save to Dooling… which led to a 3 from dooling. Those points shouldn’t have counted. BS!!!

    • passerby23 - Jun 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM

      He stepped out of bounds because he was fouled. They didn’t call that either.

  5. cosmicatomic - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    A tightly contested game favors the Heat because Wade/LeBron are adept at barreling into the lane and getting to the FT line.

    The LeBron/KG battling in the paint was a nearly impossible situation to call. They are killing each other down there and you probably could have called a foul on either guy on any given post-up. Fun to watch, but it is what it is. The refs have to control it to some degree.

  6. madmediaman - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Call me crazy, call me old school, but I actually like seeing calls made… especially when they are fouls. The last foul against James was not “borderline” it was an offensive foul. A defensive player has just as much right to space as an offensive player and you cannot simply bull rush then forcibly move the player out of the way without letting them get set. In real time that call was as clear as day.

    Frankly I hate that the NBA game gives players six fouls, I personally think 5 is plenty and at 5 fouls there’s this magical thing called STRATEGY that has to be employed. Do I leave my star player on the floor in the 1st when he’s carrying 2 fouls even though this is a crucial game? Do I leave him on the floor early in the 4th when he picked up his fourth foul??? Because lo’ and behold I might actually have to play one of these high priced primadonnas that’s made a career riding the pine in the NBA.

    Of course the league will never do this because after all people have paid big money to see stars. What the league is really doing is hiding nominal players with little skill who take up space on NBA benches throughout the league. Back in the day most every NBA player had at least 3-4 years of college experience and were fundamentally skilled at the game so a coach could pull player number 8,9 or 10 off the bench and there would be a reasonable chance your backups could at least prevent disaster.

    Instead what we have are people like Jeff Van Gundy advocating 7 fouls… well why the hell even call fouls at all if your going with 7??? Hell just do like AAU viewing tournaments and don’t track fouls… Really there should actually be some skill and strategy required for this game.

    • duane888 - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM

      I don’t know what “back in the day…” you’re referring to, but this is not the day of when only white guys played in the NBA. Today, we have real stars that ppl pay BIG money to see, not nominal bench player 8,9 or 10 as you see fit.

    • caseybojangles - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:40 PM

      i agree, the last foul on james was not borderline…it WASN’T a foul. both were establishing position and just fell…just like the minute before with pierce’s 6th call. its called play on. people trip…people fall even if some contact was made but mere contact isn’t (or shouldn’t) be a foul.

    • passerby23 - Jun 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM

      Old school basketball is letting guys battle it out. It’s a 48 minute game, not 40 minutes like college and high school. You need to have 6 fouls.

      If you like seeing calls made, how about the mugging of Pierce by Wade that was declared a “clean” block/steal? That was just mind-blowing that that wasn’t called. Pierce was so shocked it wasn’t called he didn’t even know how to argue it.

      As for the KG/Lebron/Pietrus fouls, you don’t have to call something just because someone goes down. Let them get up and play on.

      Crawford is one of those refs who always has a chip on his shoulder who wants to put players and coaches in their place when they question him.

  7. ljl2 - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    It’s fine if you want to say LeBron’s 6th wasn’t really an offensive foul, but if you do you have to argue that KG’s foul on LeBron wasn’t a foul either. Exact same play at both ends. At least it was consistent, and that’s all we ask right?

    • canehouse - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

      BS… KG had Lebron’s arm locked up under his arm… he was using one of his old school tricks and got caught.

      • mornelithe - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM

        Agree, as a Celtics fan, KG deserved that foul. What I thought was a much more bogus call was Rondo’s 5th. That was pretty sad. But, as is stated in the article, there was a ridiculous amount of inconsistency last night.

      • borderline1988 - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM

        The only sure thing about all these fouls is that Garnett was guilty every time. He is simply a dirty player. I could not understand how the announcers were questioning the call on Garnett when Rondo was driving to the basket – he clearly held Lebrons arm and prevented him from helping on Rondo.

        Honestly, I know people are talking about how the whistles were bad on both ends, but Miami definitely took the brunt of it. Losing your MVP to a host of terrible calls (check out prior fouls…at least 4 of his calls were questionable if not outright ridiculous (like that double foul with Garnett….you’ve got to be kidding me)).

        The only unfair calls against Boston were that Garnett travel and Wade’s strip of Pierce. Every single other borderline call went their way. And let’s not even discuss the first half, where seemingly every time Bostom scored a bucket, they were given an and-1 for nothing. And that non-call on Allen being out of bounds was brutal considering it resulted in a 3pt shot.
        Fans are crazy at the TD Garden, and it definitely affects the refs’ decisions.

        That being said, I have found myself criticizing people who whine about the refs after their team loses. So I’ll say that this loss is on Miami. They couldn’t score in overtime b/c of terrible execution, so that’s their fault. If they had played better in the first half also, then this wouldn’t have come down to overtime, since they totally outplayed Boston in the 2nd half.

        But at least, let’s not talk about the refs anymore, b/c if anyone starts complaining about how the refs supposedly treat Miami’s players better, we can point to this game, which Boston should not have won.

      • mornelithe - Jun 4, 2012 at 3:41 PM

        @Borderline: I won’t argue really anything you said, but I will say the Heat enjoyed the exact same luxury on their home court. Don’t you think? I saw some Heat reactions to fouls called last night that would’ve gotten Ray Allen a Technical in Game 2 (And did).

        Consistency is an issue, and I personally detest the ‘home court’ advantage the Refs give. But, it’s how things have been in the NBA for awhile. I don’t see how there’s any way to change it.

      • passerby23 - Jun 4, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        @borderline1988:

        You make some good points. However, the Ray Allen stepping out of bounds play was due to him being bumped out of bounds. Fine, take the 3 points away, but they shouldn’t have called out of bounds on Allen. It should’ve been foul, Boston’s ball.

        Call Garnett dirty and I won’t argue with you. Wade does some dirty things too, like throwing his leg out into the defender on drives to the basket. THAT is a dirty play. The two-hand shove of Rip Hamilton when he had the ball? That was a borderline suspension-worthy foul and it wasn’t even called intentional! How about the battering ram move on Darren Collison, which I would call one of the dirtier plays of the season? Where was the suspension there? There was the dirty play last year when Wade pulled down Rondo causing his elbow to dislocate. The play on Kobe in the all-star game. The list goes on.

        On top of all that, there’s a lot of flopping from the Heat. There’s plenty of blame to go around for bad officiating. Rewarding flops is as bad as not calling a legitimate foul.

  8. rodge1 - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Will not blame the refs for Miami loss like other fans do when Miami wins. Heat players should be making their free-throws. No excuses

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:28 PM

      word

  9. cosmicatomic - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    I laugh at anyone who would hint that LeBron’s 6th foul wasn’t an offensive foul. lol at Kurt’s “LeBron was trying to establish position and Pietrus pulled the chair”. LeBron is 260 pounds moving backwards as fast as he can barreling into the defender. If you are not going to call on offensive foul on that then LeBron could score on every possession by knocking defenders to the ground with his ass. IT WAS A FOUL.

  10. duane888 - Jun 4, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    On the grand scheme of things, i can see why the league would be happy with this game and i’m sure they influenced the ref’s after game 2 in Miami.

    It’s simply more “revenue wise” beneficial to have a long drawn out series rather than a Miami 4 game sweep, especially if you see the other series going 6 or 7 games. It makes for a more compelling and dramatic finals.

    • infectorman - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:32 PM

      Bro, Miami just ain’t as good as you believe…
      Your post above “rather than Miami 4-game sweep” is laughable.

      U don’t think the old tired men in the other uniforms would have something to say about the outcome of this series? Careful, your blatant, overt, homer-ism is showing….

      Are they more talented? Maybe. Not Overall.
      Faster, mostly. Tougher? No.
      A better team? No. Better coached? No.

      it’s the ECF, a sweep was never in the cards “revenue -wise” or any “wise” ; not for the over-rated, under-tested Heat. And now that they don’t get the calls from the refs over and over and over again, they’re crying like little babies…. here’s your bottle Baby Wade…

      They’ve forgotten coming into this that Boston has been here before, MANY times.
      They know what it takes to win a championship.

      Does Lebron or most of the rest of the Heat? Nope.

      • duane888 - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:44 PM

        Miami is actually better than most ppl think… been watching them all year.

        I will say Boston is a talented team and much better coached. No doubt.
        Can they lock down on defense the way Miami can? Not straight up. Clutch & grab is what they do (Garnett), bcuz The Heat has faster legs. Since Jeremy Lin’s first trip to Miami, he hasn’t been the same. He found out exactly how good the defense is.

        The big dif, Miami has 2 of the most talented players on the planet, and those 2 alone can dispatch an entire Knicks, Pacers and Celtics team IF (and it’s a big IF) the games are officiated fairly on both sides.

        Game 4 was so over-the-top that even the occasional fan could see something was not right.

      • tommyajar - Jun 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM

        “DUANE888″ wrote :

        Miami is actually better than most ppl think… been watching them all year.

        I will say Boston is a talented team and much better coached. No doubt.
        Can they lock down on defense the way Miami can? Not straight up. Clutch & grab is what they do (Garnett), bcuz The Heat has faster legs. Since Jeremy Lin’s first trip to Miami, he hasn’t been the same. He found out exactly how good the defense is.

        The big dif, Miami has 2 of the most talented players on the planet, and those 2 alone can dispatch an entire Knicks, Pacers and Celtics team IF (and it’s a big IF) the games are officiated fairly on both sides.

        Game 4 was so over-the-top that even the occasional fan could see something was not right.

        Are you serious dude? LOL. The 2 most talented players on the planet have gotten the majority of the calls this entire postseason! I don’t even know how you could argue that? You haven’t seen D.Wade rake Rondo across the eyes in game 2 and no call was made? You didn’t see D.Wade jump on Pierce’s back while Pierce was in mid-air in game 4, and no call was made? You don’t see Lebron do his flayling of his arms & legs when someone makes body contact or something? Hell, the almost fight in Indiana was simply because the guy from the Pacers grabbed Lebron to foul him, and Lebron apparently didn’t like it, so he flung his arms/elbows, and almost hit the Pacer player! Then Lebron walks around with that “I didn’t do anything wrong” look on his face that you just want to throw a brick at! He subtly does very dirty moves, and gets 99.42% of calls in his favor! Not to mention….has anyone noticed that Lebron James is pretty much the exact opposite of clutch when the game is on the line? I definately root against him and the Heat, yet if the game is tied or close at the end, and he has the ball, I don’t worry a bit, because he NEVER MAKES ANY CLUTCH SHOTS! I cannot even believe someone would have the nerve to say that Miami would roll in these games if the officiating is fair! THEY GET SO MANY CALLS……AS DO MOST SUPERSTARS IN THE NBA! Come playoff time, you couldn’t breath near Jordan and not get whistled! Things never change…..Lebron & Wade benefit from this trend that has gone on for as long as I can remember in the NBA!

      • bozosforall - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM

        duane, you are arguing with an absolute moron in AIDSinfectedman. The fool spews the drivel that is printed in the Boston Globe and pretends like he knows what he talking about. You will never get through to that idiot, no matter how crystal clear your logic is. He’s got his nose buried so far up the local Boston athletes’ rear ends that they don’t know where they end and he starts.

  11. paulhargis53 - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    who cares if it was centimeters? He still missed the shot. Close only counts with horseshoes hand grenades.

    The Heat thought they were gonna walk right through this series.Wade, outside of Kobe, is the least likeable NBA player.

    This team, if it gets by the Celtics, is going to be absolutely drilled by the WC champs.

  12. rooney24 - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    Is it time to add more refs? It would cost more money, but that would be a drop in the bucket to the NBA. It doesn’t make sense that you have refs that need to run up and down the court with players that are much younger and in better shape. If they didn’t need to run up and down the court, maybe they could be in better position to make correct calls. Couldn’t you position on ref in each corner? Or, go to six refs and have on in each corner and one on each side at mid-court (all out of bounds).

  13. decimusprime - Jun 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    The question of why not drive, why not take one or two steps in and shoot for the tie? Wade may not be good behind the arc, but 15-20 feet is much easier and for him, a higher percentage.

    • canehouse - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:18 PM

      Have you ever heard the saying “go for the win on the road, and go for the tie at home” especially when the league MVP has fouled out.

  14. mannyfresh209 - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    jesus didn’t watch the game but rondo had 5, lebron and pierce both fouled out, who else had more than 4 fouls called against them? it’s the ECF, we expect to see tough play from both these defensively great teams, and all we’re seeing is more reason for the conspiracy theorists to claim the nba is fixed and they want this series to go 7.

    the fact that last night’s games had one of the highest ratings ever for a non finals game won’t help the situation at all :/

    • mornelithe - Jun 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

      Lebron – 6
      Chalmers – 5
      Anthony – 4
      Wade – 4
      Battier – 3
      Haslem 3
      Miller, Cole and Jones – 1

      Pierce – 6
      Pietrus – 5
      Bass – 5
      Rondo – 4
      Garnett – 3
      Allen – 3
      Daniels – 3
      Dooling 1
      Stiemsma – 0 (Now that’s odd)

      All in all a pretty physical game.

  15. diablito0402 - Jun 4, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Nba refs always have a say on outcome of games, players could only decide games on blowouts, if game is going down the wire, you gotta get lucky and get some calls, sad but true.. Thats why the nfl is great, players win and loose games in the nfl..

    • bozosforall - Jun 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM

      Nah, sometimes videocameras determine wins and losses in the NFL. At least they did at one time.

      • mornelithe - Jun 4, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        When did the NFL get rid of replays? I was under the impression they were actually increasing their use. Strange that they’d do so the last few years, only to scale them back this year. Seems like a total waste.

      • bozosforall - Jun 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM

        Not talking about official cameras, Queen of Denial.

      • mornelithe - Jun 4, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        I denied nothing Bozos, quit being provocative. Hard to deny something the league penalized a team over, don’t you think? I simply used your uncharacteristically vague response against you. Normally you’re way more over the top with your crying.

        But it’s ok, dealing with you is very easy, and quite amusing. It’s too bad the mods allow their boards to be ruined by folks such as yourself, though. Only brings the quality of intelligent discourse down.

        Queue the silly name calling oh wait, you already resorted to it.

      • bozosforall - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:50 PM

        Cry us a river, Mr. Ivory Tower Boy. Odd that you object to namecalling, yet you (and the rest of the Boston fan base) never objected to the hordes of “Yankees Suck” t-shirts that were worn in Fenway all those years when the Red Sox were mired in that 86-year WS winless streak. The hypocrisy of you and your fellow New England fans is beyond hilarious. Particularly since there is no whinier fan base in all of sport than the one based in the Northeast region of the US. And as for your comment that “dealing with [me] is very easy”, you ever consider the fact that I do it purposefully? Even my screen name invites ridicule…also purposefully done so as to not make it too hard for you Boston simpletons to have volley back towards me (and note that many of your fellow idiots do just that…clown this, etc). Also note that I couldn’t care less about the ad hominem attacks on me, given that as a Yankee fan, I have long been conditioned to absorb those types of taunts from the bitter fans of Boston (also note that now that your teams have achieved a modicum of success, that you Boston fans still don’t know how to handle it). Poor winners and even poorer losers. What’s really too bad is that the mods don’t realize how you are trying to manipulate them…or that the other side of the argument is no less venomous (see the Game Two aftermath of whining and name calling by the Celtics fans) than anything that I’ve ever posted here. But continue to delude yourself, idiot.

      • bahston - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:54 PM

        I’m sure you’d agree that the men reviewing the video footage that “one time” ended up making the correct call in that game.

      • bozosforall - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:59 PM

        At one time means long ago, not “one time”, idiot.

      • mornelithe - Jun 5, 2012 at 3:44 AM

        *chuckle* Who’s crying here, kid? Not me, I’m actually formulating my responses into legible sentences and paragraphs, you’re just vomiting incoherent thought onto your keyboard.

        Keep it up though, I love skipping over 99% of what you say, adding a few things in and then seeing your ridiculous diatribes in response. It’s really funny how much effort you continue to put into it.

        By the way, Belichick’s Patriots are 3-time Superbowl winners and not a blemish on any of those Lombardi’s. And there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Hah!

      • bozosforall - Jun 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM

        Yet you continue to respond…sucker.

        As far as Belichick and the Patriots, Spygate will ALWAYS be a blemish on his career and their history. Only you New England idiots are in denial about this. So I don’t have to do a damn thing at all…history has already recorded the blemishes for me and it will be there for eternity. Hah!

  16. reesesteel23 - Jun 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    My Skinny hardly watches bball….and she even asked me….”what the **** is going on with the referees?” ….i didnt know what to say….just shook the head

  17. iowahbr - Jun 4, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    NBA players have got more athletic in every single way we can measure them over the last 30 years.. The court is still the same size and the baskets are still set at 10 feet. Even the addition of an extra ref has only helped a bit. If the NBA wants to let this sumo-wrestling as basketball continue and not turn every game into a free throw shooting contest there will be some missed or questionable calls. Either they go to a college approach or there will be calls that hurt one side or the other in the current approach to allowed contact. A bit more, but not too much, use of reply in the last 4 minutes of each NBA game might help since the last 4 minutes already takes 30 minutes or more to complete in a tight game.

  18. laserw - Jun 4, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    The problem isn’t the fouls called – it is the ones that aren’t called – just as the problem with refs calling traveling calls – LeBrick James being a flagrant traveller often taking three steps to make a basket – never called. If the NBA is not going to enforce travelling on flagrant situations, then do away with the rule and just run with the ball

    It is sad to see the NBA being reduced to showboats making worthless but flamboyant plays while missing instead of taking steady and successful shots. And something needs to be done when so-called stars like LeBrick James and Dwayne Wade can’t make free throws consistently. Contracts should dock them money for failing to shoot these free throws at 90% or better. These are professional athletes – they need to start playing like it instead of reducing themselves to circus acts with no class and no talent.

    • skisolo - Jun 5, 2012 at 3:29 AM

      This comment here is the one that makes the most sense of them all, as all of the other call/non call decisions by the referees are predicated by not enforcing the simplest rule in basketball.

      Simply put – letting an offensive player illegally take more than two steps will force defenders into committing fouls after legitimately playing good defense about 90% of the time.

      By calling traveling on the supposed up-and-under move and others like it, the game will clean itself up without having to add more fouls to the rulebook or implementing any other hokey policies previously mentioned here.

  19. bearsstillsuck - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Madmediaman: that’s the best post I’ve ever seen on here.

  20. ajpurp - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    The officials were terrible in the first two games in favor of the Heat and Terrible in the last two in favor of the Celtics. Always thought that Pierce shoulder dip into an airborne defender should be illegal, but regardless the officiating has been just plain trbl. It’s sickening

  21. lemfax - Jun 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    NBA needs five officials during postseason, and 3 man’s decision in every tough calls. Or else NBA is becoming close to WWA

    • passerby23 - Jun 5, 2012 at 12:55 AM

      And have more guys on the court congesting an already tight space? I can only imagine the complaints there would be from players and fans about how many times refs get in the way of plays.

      The solution I see is more like an NFL coach challenge system. You are given one challenge per half. It is reviewed during a timeout or dead ball, and official reviews can still be used at the refs’ discretion. Video reviews should also include the ability to change fouls. I don’t see why foul calls (or non-calls) cannot be overturned.

      I agree that they can’t water down so many calls with challenges, so they can limit it to only one per half, which doesn’t carry over to the second half. If you lose the challenge, it’s a technical free throw and the ball for the team, which prohibits coaches from making frivolous challenges.

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