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Those Deron Williams for Pau Gasol trade rumors? Kill them.

May 25, 2012, 1:36 AM EDT

Los Angeles Lakers Pau Gasol walks off the court after a season-ending loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder during Game 5 of the NBA western conference semi-finals in Oklahoma City Reuters

After the Lakers were eliminated from the playoffs, Lakers fans took to the Internet like locust trying to find a way to trade Pau Gasol and make their team better. About the same time came word that Deron Williams had the Lakers on his list of teams he would consider.

So, a Gasol or Deron Williams sign and trade?

Not going to happen. A tweet from Stephen Bondy of the New York Daily News.

With Lakers S/T for D-Will, source said the Nets would not do that deal for Pau Gasol. Would rather have cap space.

Notice that, Lakers fans, the Nets would rather have empty cap space than Gasol.

That’s not to say Gasol can’t play and isn’t of any trade value. It’s just he’s not as valuable as you think. There will be no blockbuster deal that involves Gasol straight up. The Lakers can get some depth, maybe get a little younger and more athletic (things they need to do), but they are not getting a star for him. That’s a pipe dream. There are no more Chris Paul trades out there.

The Lakers can get more for Andrew Bynum, but they give up a lot more, too. The point is Lakers fans, there is no silver bullet here. There is no easy way to fix the roster, especially with Kobe set to make $30 million next year tying your hands.

  1. Mr. Wright 212 - May 25, 2012 at 1:45 AM

    As a New Yorker, Rule #1: NEVER… EVER… quote a Daily News writer as a credible source.

    Now, let’s sit back and watch how this actually plays out when Prokhorov realizes no one wants to play for the Nets in July. Only guys looking for a check, and that’s it.

    • caseybojangles - May 25, 2012 at 2:35 AM

      lets agree that the guy didn’t become a billionaire by being dumb with money. Gasol is due nearly $20M a year for the next 2 years…read that again. the cap is like in the $60M-$70M area depending on some calculations. Gasol ISNT WORTH ~1/3 of your payroll…ever. and really punitive league taxes kick in in the 2nd year for going over the cap. if gasol had one year left, you could probably eat that contract for a shot. but why would a rebuilding team commit tons of money for the next two years??? why??? gasol would only be attractive to a team that needs one more piece for a shot at the title. philly, nuggs, maybe chicago, atlanta…thats probably it and even then some of these teams probably aren’t interested.

    • knightrider1755 - May 25, 2012 at 5:43 AM

      As a native NYer, the only guys looking for a check are the ones who come here to play for the Knicks. The proof is in the fact that the Knicks haven’t won a championship in 40 years, haven’t been out of the first round in 11 years and haven’t had an MVP since Willis Reed. And oh I forgot, haven’t won but one playoff game since 2001.

  2. lakerade - May 25, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    Pau for DWill after Spain upsets us in London. Bynum for Dwight after that. Kobe’s window opens back up. #yesi’mverydepressed

  3. blueblood86 - May 25, 2012 at 2:26 AM

    The nets are a joke.
    They have no REAL fans
    And the new ones will be bandwagon scrubs. Nobody wants to play in a empty area aka islanders and devils before the playoffs although they still had empty seat during the playoffs.

    • knightrider1755 - May 25, 2012 at 5:39 AM

      No, the Knicks are a joke because they haven’t won a championship in 40 years.

    • deadeyedesign23 - May 25, 2012 at 8:43 AM

      The Yards are an empty area? I’m pretty sure it’s not. I;m also pretty sure that the Dodgers moved 3000 miles away because the city wouldn’t let them move there.

    • deadeyedesign23 - May 25, 2012 at 9:20 AM

      Also I’ve been a Net fan for 15 years. Are there new fans jumping on? Of course…that’s the point of moving from The Meadowlands (with a stop off in Newark) to Brooklyn. If you want ot get an idea of what it’s like on the surface of the moon I suggest spending some time at the meadowlands.

      How man REAL fans did the Knicks pick up when Lin was balling out for 2 weeks?

  4. doctorfootball - May 25, 2012 at 2:35 AM

    After the way he played this year, Pau’s trade value is a lot lower than it was when Stern killed the CP3 trade. Lakers can’t hope to trade for Deron Williams unless Bynum’s name is added to the offer. Otherwise, outside of Kobe, the Lakers have nothing of value to trade with.

  5. davincizsp - May 25, 2012 at 4:36 AM

    Lakers does not need another star. All they need is just a better coach than Brown! Lol

    • knightrider1755 - May 25, 2012 at 5:44 AM

      Your english is horrendous!

      • aboogy123456 - May 25, 2012 at 8:59 AM

        The English is bad, but he’s right! Look at that dam lineup the lakers have, if they had a coach that actually knew what to do with it then they’d be playing for a title. Pau is still a great player and to use him purely as an offensive rebounder and make kobe handle the ball all game is a bad job on the coach’s part.

        Mike Brown apparently got the job because in his interview he showed video of the old spurs’ twin tower offense. WHERE WAS THAT THIS SEASON!?

      • borderline1988 - May 25, 2012 at 10:33 AM

        “make Kobe handle the ball all game”

        I don’t think Kobe needs a coach to tell him that…

        Brown’s handling of Gasol wasn’t too impressive. That being said, the Lakers were still going to lose to the Thunder.
        Kobe took way too many stupid 4th quarter shots, and the Lakers still had mediocre PG play on both ends of the court. Also, something that wasn’t talked about much: Sessions and Kobe had a lot of turnovers in key moments of the Series…can’t do that against the Thunder…
        The Lakers still have a great lineup but they need Phil Jackson to pull it together…even he had so much trouble with Kobe that he needed a therapist..how would you expect any other coach to deal with that? Kobe doesn’t listen to coaches, he just does his own thing.

    • zxrated - May 25, 2012 at 12:49 PM

      Phil Jackson did less with this squad last season and he had a much better bench, LO & Shannon Brown. Mike Brown didn’t have the benefit off several years running the same system and knowing the roster.

      • aboogy123456 - May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM

        What system is mike brown trying to run though? People complain about Kobe but the system mike brown runs requires kobe to do everything. The triangle was perfect for this team, pau in the high post allowed him to be a versatile and dangerous player, and the offense was predicated on passing the ball very well, which they did. It also helped their defense by preventing transition points.

        Mike Brown is a joke, he did nothing to prepare the young guys for the pressure in the playoffs, as phil would have done. He has shown that he has no vision for the team, and doesn’t know how to play to their strengths.

      • zxrated - Jun 18, 2012 at 10:17 PM

        Brown had no time to prep anything, you dismiss the fact that this is a season of system change interrupted. Phil had several years and full offseasons to prepare rosters he was familiar with. The triangle in never coming back to LA, we Laker fans got to deal with that.

  6. malcom1985 - May 25, 2012 at 5:55 AM

    I wouldn’t believe that, despite what’s being reported. If he does not resign with the Nets, the other options are to just let Deron Williams walk, or get back significantly less for him, and either way, the Nets lose big time on those deals. Since Deron seems to have balked at the notion of the blank check they’re offering to stay, it’s clear the main goal here is to win, not money. Money can come later, but for now, it’s to win. Plus with all the endorsements he would get in L.A, he’s not exactly going to be broke and destitute. I don’t think it’s as dead as they would have you believe. I’m not saying it’s the right move for the Lakers, or that it would truly happen, but it’s no where near as “dead” as claimed. The Nets claim they’d rather just have cap space than trade Deron for Pau? I don’t believe that at all, and neither should you.

  7. tsi431 - May 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM

    Who does this author think he is talking to?

    Lakers fans know Gasol is useless, we had to watch him play for the last two years. Don’t give me this “he isn’t as valuable as we think” bull$#!T. We know he isn’t valuable. Its not a secret only people outside of Lakers’ fans know.

    The Lakers would also rather have cap space then Gasol. He has lived out his contract for us and got the Lakers the championships.

  8. loungefly74 - May 25, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    we can all site sources and pass along hearsay about this or that…but we know we can never rule out anything. last year, for example, did we think chris paul or gasol was a possibilty? (my point being it was on the table). i find it hard to believe the Nets would want the cap space…for what? the line of star players wanting to come there? sorry Nets, not happening. and laker fans might bust gasol’s chops right now because of his substandard play the past couple years but i think he still has 3 more solid years left…and i’m betting several teams in the league think the same.

  9. nightrain42 - May 25, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    But we cld package Bynum instead. One of the two has to go.

  10. oldirtyjersey - May 25, 2012 at 9:03 AM

    Gasol to Nets for D-Will will never happen! Not only for the $40 million obvious reasons but there would be much better deals there. Teams he hasn’t ruled out like 2 sleepers Houston and Portland. Neither can offer Max but both have assets and picks that could get a deal done. All things considered, he probably opens Barclays in Bkln and becomes borouhs first sports star in over half a century. He knows how big that is and the attention it will bring.

  11. MT1776 - May 25, 2012 at 9:38 AM

    There are probably a lot of people around the NBA not named Kurt that see serious value in Gasol. It’s too easy to watch a single game and say he isn’t doing this or that, but the fact is he has greatly adjusted his game to fit the Lakers system at the sake of his numbers. He has been working more to initiate the ball moving inside to Bynum and that is a huge reason Andrew had his best season ever.

    Gasol for Dwill is a pipe dream because one is so much older than the other. But Pau on your team is going to bring 20/10 with decent assists and blocks. He is one of the best passing big men in the game and everyone he has played with says he is a great team mate. To say he has no value is absurd and to say NJ would rather have cap space than Gasol is misleading. NJ is going after Dwight, and won’t do anything to hurt their cap space.

    If they don’t get Howard, I’m sure they will consider other options. Gasol only has 2 years left on his contract so it isn’t a long term risk. 1 for 1 trade is unlikely, but if the Lakers throw in someone like Jordan Hill or Ramon Sessions, this could happen.

    Honestly, I think he gets traded next year when he is an expiring contract. The Lakers traded Caron Butler for one of the largest expiring contracts in the last decade. The fact they used that to acquire Pau in his prime speaks to the value of a 19M expiring contract.

    • Kurt Helin - May 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM

      Gasol has trade value. Just not as much as many Lakers fans seem to think. You can get a Lowry/Scola kind of deal, but not much more.

  12. ndirishfan1 - May 25, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    Pau isn’t a valuable trade asset strictly because of his contract and his age. He averaged 16.7 points per 36, along with 10 boards on over 50% shooting (again, that’s per 36). This was as a co-second option (Bynum and Pau had roughly the same shots per game and the exact same per 36). It’s a fallacy to say that he isn’t producing anymore – Bynum is just taking away his shots. Gasol had a bad playoffs last year and had a few bad games against Oklahoma City, but let’s not pawn him off like he’s suddenly useless. If this guy is the #2 option in Chicago, he’d probably have had a season right around his career average, so this non

    A trade to Houston for Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry would make sense for both teams (especially with Goran Dragic playing so well down the stretch). Lowry would be an upgrade at the point guard position. This would also free up the Lakers to use Ramon Sessions in a sign and trade for some athleticism on the wing, which would hopefully free Laker fans from hearing “Matt Barnes is really struggling shooting the ball” again.

    • ndirishfan1 - May 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM

      *1st paragraph – this nonsens about him being useless is ridiculous.

  13. justprofit84 - May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Pau is out of shape that’s the root to the problem but no one talks about it.

  14. llfreedman - May 25, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    The Pau hate has gone too far. Anyone who has followed the Lakers knows Gasol got pushed out of the offense this year. His skills have not deteriorated that much. He was just relegated to a jump shooter because of the design of Brown’s offense.

    Have people forgotten how hard it is to get a good big man in the NBA. This is a guy who’s helped win two championships and is a true dominant 7 footer (when Mike Brown isn’t ruining his game). I understand his salary is ridiculous- but isn’t that what you are supposed to pay for a championship level 7 footer???????

    The Nets would be crazy not to try and get him. People are trying to argue the salary cap room is better? Other than Dwight- there isn’t any potential free agent of this caliber. Not to mention the fact that its not clear the Nets even have any pull to sign guys.

    • zxrated - May 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      Lets not forget that Phil Jackson in all his zen glory could not fit the Bynum piece into the Lakeshow puzzle either.

      • aboogy123456 - May 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM

        He did fit bynum very well into the lakeshow, and he also didn’t put up with any of his bs lazyness. If he was not playing defense, phil would have the luxury to play pau at center and bench bynum. Bynum improved a lot on his own this past year, it doesn’t matter who the coach was.

      • zxrated - May 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        Phil had the luxury of LO which allowed him that hard line approach with Bynum. Phil also had a 6 year working relationship with Drew. Brown didn’t even get a full offseason to teach his new system. With the get to know each other process being on the fly in season Browns only choice was to lean on and trust the championship proven veterans. The FO highjacked Brown who had big plans fo LO. This is why Murphy and McRoberts got so much play early in the season.

  15. giselleisasucubus - May 25, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    is everyone high? Who says Deron Williams will do a sign and trade? He is unrestricted. Why give up a player like Gasol for a guy you can sign? Now, Gasol getting moved to say, Houston, for another piece to clear room, that makes sense. Then, Bynum gets shipped to Orlando for Howard. I’m telling you guys, this is what is going to happen.

    • zacksdad - May 25, 2012 at 1:12 PM

      So Deron Williams is going to sign with the Lakers for about 3 million. I believe this is all the Lakers can offer him.

      Not that you are telling me that it will happen, I believe you.

    • bchapman2011 - May 25, 2012 at 6:43 PM

      Because the Lakers can only offer D Will a minimal contract due to the salary cap and new CBA. The only way out of that is a loophole in the CBA that allows NJ to sign him to a max deal and then trade him to the Lakers. The Lakers will be major players this offseason. Kupchack always pulls off the impossible deal. He did it again this year until the comish squashed it. The Lakers have leverage over every team because players want to go there and they hold their current teams hostage. Teams are either faced with trading on the LA’s terms or losing out on a player and getting nothing in return.

    • bchapman2011 - May 25, 2012 at 6:43 PM

      Because the Lakers can only offer D Will a minimal contract due to the salary cap and new CBA. The only way out of that is a loophole in the CBA that allows NJ to sign him to a max deal and then trade him to the Lakers. The Lakers will be major players this offseason. Kupchack always pulls off the impossible deal. He did it again this year until the comish squashed it. The Lakers have leverage over every team because players want to go there and they hold their current teams hostage. Teams are either faced with trading on the LA’s terms or losing out on a player and getting nothing in return.

  16. dougmanoh - May 26, 2012 at 1:52 AM

    There goes selfish Kobe again. Hogging up the team budget this time.

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