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Video: Heat’s two flagrant fouls courtesy Haslem, Pittman

May 23, 2012, 1:34 AM EDT

Miami came out with some real fire in Game 5. The kind of passion we have expected of them from throughout the playoffs… and the last finals for that matter. Apparently it took the Pacers getting under their skin to do it.

But Miami crossed the line a couple of times. There was the flagrant foul on Haslem above, although I think the worse one was by Pittman below. He deserves a game off (at least) for that one. Even so, Erik Spoelstra isn’t going to say anything if his team comes out and plays with that fire.

  1. Justin - May 23, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    Any chance we can get the Flagrant 1 that Hansbrough had against D-Wade? They said it was payback so I just want to see how serious the first one was.

    The Dexter Pittman one was the dumbest. If Stevenson is on the court you shouldn’t be forearm shivering him you should be hugging him because it means you are obliterating the other team. I understand you want to send a message after all the talk Indiana was doing but whatever happened to letting the scoreboard do the talking?

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - May 23, 2012 at 8:18 AM

      That being said, Stephenson deserved a reaction from the Heat. Was the reaction excessive, yes. But he had to know one was coming.

      Just like Tony Rocky Horror and Marcellus Wallace. Once Tony touched Marcellus’ wife’s feet in a familiar way, he had to know Marcellus would react. Did he know Marcellus was going to throw him out of a window? No, but he knew he’d do something.

      Tony should have known better than to give Mia Wallace a foot massage, and Lance should have known better than to give the choke sign to Lebron.

    • thebigkahuna23 - May 23, 2012 at 8:18 AM

      If you look how Stephenson landed on his leg after getting clothslined he could have very easily torn his ACL or done some damage to his knee. Aside from the big 3, miami has a team made up of bums and scrubs. Thank God David Stern isn’t a reeetaaaad, like führer Goodell. I hope to see him come down hard on this thuggery.

      Dexter Pittman should be banned for the rest of the playoffs without a doubt.

      • borderline1988 - May 23, 2012 at 8:55 AM

        Pittman should get at least 2 games. That’s a flying elbow to the head of a player who never saw it coming, and who didn’t even have the ball. Considering that it was Stephenson, it was obviously intentional (had nothing to do with basketball).

        Haslem’s is more borderline..maybe 1 game (or not). It was a basketball play – he was going for the ball, was just a hard foul which was a bit excessive.

      • swill881 - May 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM

        Are you kidding about Stern? He’s not going to do anything that would hurt Miami from finishing the series.

      • bdeviled11 - May 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM

        The shame of it all, Pittman’s “act” will take the focus off of Haslem. Pittman WILL get suspended, Haslem, maybe a fine.

        Miami losing Pittman just means extra food at the buffet at the end of the game. And after Hansborough’s hard playoff foul, Wade had an uncovered cut, I thought that wasn’t allowed? Oh yeah Wade’s working on his tough guy image. Unbelievable.

        Look when BronBron picks up his FIRST foul 3 minutes into the 3rd, the Pacers aren’t gonna win.

      • zeedoubleyou - May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM

        Wow hater nation is reaching all-time levels of close-mindedness. If a Heat player had dished an elbow like Amundson into Haslem that drew nine stitches in game 4 and only gotten an offensive foul, we’d still be hearing about how Stern favors Miami. Now Hansbrough was just making a tough playoff foul?

        It seems that everyone has to learn this tough lesson on his own: Don’t go starting something if you’re not ready for the other guy to finish it.

      • dolphins1fan - May 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

        You are a prime example of a Heat hating idiot..don’t get mad because we’re mopping the floor with every team in our way, especially these scrubs (PACERS).Way to go Pitt..they want to play physical show them physical

    • udogg - May 23, 2012 at 2:32 PM

      No need. Just head over to ESPN, they’ll show you the Hansborough foul and not the Miami fouls. You’ll get plenty of love there.

  2. david8726 - May 23, 2012 at 1:51 AM

    Where’s the video of Wade getting bloodied by Hansbrough just prior to the Haslem foul? That’s what triggered this whole thing.

    Haslem’s foul was a flagrant 2, in my opinion. I don’t think he should be suspended, though. He hammered him mostly across the left arm and Hansbrough wasn’t hurt in any way.

    Pittman was a goon and deserves a long suspension, though.

    • gmsingh - May 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      You misspelled “Wade taking some amount of contact to the head and flopping to the floor like a dead fish.’ Every time there is even the appearance of a foul Wade flops to the floor like his spleen had just been forcibly removed. Who the hell is going to respect a player that constantly fakes like that? Good luck seeing that on a Popovich or Thibs coached team.

      • david8726 - May 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM

        Uh… did you see the blood dripping down the side of Wade’s face after that play?

        Look, obviously Wade flops. So do most NBA stars. But he was legitimately hammered on that play. That’s indisputable.

        Also, are you aware that Greg Popovich is the coach of one of the most notorious floppers in NBA history, Manu Ginoboli?

      • gmsingh - May 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM

        Hey, I’m a Bulls fan–I saw Luol Deng leave a game to get stitches in his nose and no foul was called. Wade is a flopper–for all I know he was bleeding from flopping his face to the floor.

  3. cdog0o7 - May 23, 2012 at 1:59 AM

    Wow, both of those were Flagrant 2′s and deserve suspensions.

    Tell me that Pittman’s wasn’t more dangerous then the Artest elbow. Forearm to the neck. He should be suspended for the playoffs.

    And haslem? Guy is in air, takes both hands, and comes across the face. Despicable.

    Haslem should get 2 games for that as least. If Hansborough loses his balance (a high probability in a play like that), thats a guaranteed concussion. The officials letting him stay in the game basically told Indiana that they weren’t going to get to play much in this one.

    A shame.

    • david8726 - May 23, 2012 at 2:04 AM

      Haslem did not hit Hansbrough “across the face.” Watch the video. His right arm might catch him a little bit on the side of his head, but he’s clearly trying to rake Hansbrough across the right arm. That’s what he does.

      Suspending him retroactively for a game would be stupid. At most, Haslem should have missed a little less than 3 quarters of game time had he been given a flagrant 2 on the spot (which is what should have happened). Making him miss 4 quarters after the fact is silly.

      • cdog0o7 - May 23, 2012 at 2:20 AM

        In the words of Steve Kerr – “He just clubs him with 2 hands”

        He should be suspended – for multiple games.

        I believe Artest got 7 games for an elbow. Bynum got 5 games for a hip check. And Both deserved by the way.

        Bur you want Haslem to get no penalty for a “clubbing” another guy? How many blocks are made with both hands?

        He shouldn’t miss 4 quarters – he should miss 8.

  4. rushbacker - May 23, 2012 at 2:10 AM

    I agree, you should post the Hansbrough foul also. I’d like to see it. That Haslem foul was an obvious Flagrant-2 in my opinion, and should have come with an ejection. There should be no room and no tolerance for obvious cheap shots– especially ones that have the recipient landing hard on his back, where his head can bounce off the court. That junk is ridiculous. The fact that they didn’t call Pittman’s a Flagrant-2 is pretty much laughable. That was just a flying elbow straight out of the old WWF. What’s next, an assistant coach hitting a player over the head with a folding chair? They could suspend the goon for the rest of the series and the next, or the rest of the playoffs, and it wouldn’t bother me.

  5. bknowledge - May 23, 2012 at 2:16 AM

    Lebron’s foot also ended up right where Granger was landing on a jump shot…and I am not sure that was accidental…Granger twisted his ankle pretty bad…

    • bils293 - May 23, 2012 at 7:17 AM

      That’s the dumbest comment I’ve seen posted. Don’t try to find reasoning for why the pacers played like absolute garbage. All lebron did was play close up d like he’s supposed to. Guys land on other guys feet all the time, it’s part of basketball. Grangers the idiot trying to rush back to the game acting like he’s making a difference in this series

      • southbeachtalent - May 23, 2012 at 9:48 AM

        No that was all part of the plan. LeBron knew exactly where to put his foot. He has the uncanny ability to predict the exact spot where his opponents foot is going to land. He then moves his foot 5mm in either direction to ensure that his opponent twists his ankle. Amazing huh?

        MVP!! MVP!! MVP!!

    • udogg - May 23, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      Hard for me to believe this, but I also considered it.

    • duane888 - May 23, 2012 at 5:02 PM

      I laughed so hard at this comment, by belly was hurting. lol.

  6. Deathmask - May 23, 2012 at 2:19 AM

    This game is the litmus for what kind of basketball fan you are. Either you think all three flagrant fouls in this game are despicable and unnecessary, or you enjoy the toughness and it reminds you of the “enforcers” of the 90s like Laimbeer and Oakley. (Although Pittman’s foul is pretty dirty).

  7. 91devinhester23 - May 23, 2012 at 2:36 AM

    hansborough’s is borderline, he did make a play for the ball but went at it hard and probably deserved a flagrant 0.8

    haslem’s is a fine retaliation shot, flagrant 1. Nothing to see here.

    pittman’s is a stupid unsportsmanlike flagrant 2 and he should sit the next game on the bench though I’m pretty sure he would either way.

  8. edweird0 - May 23, 2012 at 4:06 AM

    Now that’s what I’m fking talking about. Haslem had to show them what’s up when you mess around with DWade. Like Deathmask said, I for one am all for this enforcement. If you’re really that tough then you should have no problem showing that on the court. Even tho the pittman one was incredibly and deliberately stupid, it made me laugh at how insignificant they both are.

    • metalhead65 - May 23, 2012 at 8:32 AM

      so it is ok tfor wade to show how really tough he is by tackling darren collison but if you touch him it’s ok to go for your teammate to take another cheap shot against the pacers? the heat are classeless punks not just lebron.

  9. rosesacl - May 23, 2012 at 5:47 AM

    it’s a good hard playoff foul, until you change your name to world peace, then it’s a 7 game suspension.

    • southbeachtalent - May 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM

      Or if you have been suspended 13 times including one where you jumped into the stands, punched fans in the face and literally started a riot.

      Bit different isn’t it?

      Oh, Arteste could have actually killed Black Beard with that elbow. Haslem’s foul, while hard, was completely reasonable.

      I guarantee Haslem will not miss a single qtr. As far as Pittman, he could suspended for eternity wont make a diffrence.

  10. nokoolaidcowboy - May 23, 2012 at 6:45 AM

    Miami Heat are getting kinda thuggish, huh? But flagrant fouls or not, it’s all about the revenues.

    • dirtyassfish - May 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM

      If you’ve noticed you dont see the Heat starting any of it, They WILL defend themselves. But ya man like any business if the $$$ is flowing some things will get brushed under the rug.

  11. 1972wasalongtimeago - May 23, 2012 at 7:05 AM

    And when did Steve Kerr become such a wuss? Sounded like Joe Buck talking about Randy Moss’ “moon over Green Bay” TD celebration. UD did what he had to do. Plain and simple. (no Heat fans are condoning Pittman’s foul. That’s not the way we do things here)

    And how about Marv with his, “Considering how poor the Pacers are shooting, they have to feel pretty good about only trailing by 35″ comments.

    Can we get Eric, Tony, and Jax back please?

    • brtdud7 - May 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      “That’s not the way we do things here”

      Being the worst “fanbase” in the history of professional spots is “the way you do things there.”

      • southbeachtalent - May 23, 2012 at 9:42 AM

        Actually, the Pacers have the second worst home attendance only trailing Charlotte.

        Stop regurgitating what you hear, have an original thought.

  12. udogg - May 23, 2012 at 7:14 AM

    Has everyone forgotten Wade’s push in the back of Collison? I am still trying figure out how he got away with that without being suspended. Oh, that’s right, he’s Dwayne Wade. The Jordan rules are alive and well my friends.

    • blueintown - May 23, 2012 at 9:36 AM

      Judging by your statement, I’m not sure you know what ‘The Jordan Rules’ were..

    • dolphins1fan - May 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      Have you been watching the series..Bosh got hammered from behind (out with an abdominal injury), UD with stitches (from an intentional elbow), Wade with a cut above his eye (intentional hard foul), Lebron getting his shirt held back on every play (he could have fallen or twistd his ankle). Pacers started the physical play. Miami is just showing those BOYS how men play physically. I LOVE IT..MIAMI HEAT BASKETBALL IS BACK..Stop hating on the HEAT…HATERS!!!!

      • udogg - May 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM

        Haslam’s foul was completely unintentional. Give me a break. Wade’s foul was a hard foul that started by getting all ball. Given Wade and James’ strength and their penchant to dunk hard to send messages, weak attempts to block them at the rim simply end up with points, a foul, and an opportunity for a 3-point play. James getting his shirt held, was simply an effort to stop him from dunking. Assuming an intent to hurt on that foul is ridiculous, now James’ high elbows (like the one he threw at Granger) that was intentional with a potential intent to injure.

        Both Haslam and Pittman’s fouls were bush league at best.

  13. hiddeneye13 - May 23, 2012 at 7:34 AM

    Its amazing people see want they want to see. The Hansbrough foul he drew his arm back and when he came down hard he clawed Dwades face, scratching him. UDs foul was in retaliation and was just is bad but made a statement. Pittman is an idiot.

    • dirtyassfish - May 23, 2012 at 7:45 AM

      Exactly Hansbitch clawed him like an animal, UD evened it up, Thats why Hansbitch didnt get pissed or anything he knew it was comming. As far as Pittman ya he will probably get a few games off but its not like hes a big rotation player, Maybe now we can play some basketball & not all of this Machismo Flagrants & getting into DWades & Brons face every game.

    • southbeachtalent - May 23, 2012 at 9:31 AM

      Because its the Heat.

      First we’re called soft and now we are dirty. I prefer the latter..

      Hansbrough’s foul was hard and he followed through clawing DWade’s face. I know Psyco T knows the difference between a ball and Wade’s head.

      Haslem did what he had too. Favorite play of the night actually.

      Pitman may be suspended, and should, but I’m not a fan of Stevenson at all.

      This reminds me of real basketball, back when guys battled. You can’t deal with it, turn the channel. I think “Say Yes to The Dress” is on at the same time….

      • isayow - May 23, 2012 at 1:09 PM

        Hansbrough’s foul is borderline flagrant at best. Just an accident on a good play on the ball. He made an obvious intent to block the ball and his hand hit Wade on the follow through.
        Haslem’s definitely was flagrant 2. If Haslem did what he had to do, fine, (here you’re admitting that he specifically was going after Hansbrough, and he did: no attempt on the ball- two hands to the face while he was in the air), but the rule is clear and he should take the penalty worthy of the act- unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent: suspension.
        Same for Pittman- he stared at him with his elbow up waiting for him to enter the lane and then went straight for the thoat- unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent: Suspension!
        I agree with Barkley- the heat are whiners. And now they’re thugs and the rule should be enforced, even if it is against the league’s beloved Heat.

  14. aschitown - May 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    Now we will see what the NBA is really all about. I’m a Bulls Fan and I HATE Hansborough but he did make a play on the ball. Haslem just swung both arms down, didn’t try to get the ball, just tried to hit him discretely.

    Pittman, pretty obvious, does this need discussion?

    Pittman should get suspended for MULTIPLE games. Haslem should get at least 1 game. Go ahead and suspend Hansborough as well to make it even.

    But, I’m willing to bet money that NEITHER Heat player gets suspended. Stern can’t do it. The Heat have to make the finals. There is too much money riding on it. The number one goal of the NBA and ANY business is to make money.

    If either of those fouls were committed by anyone else, they would result in suspensions.

  15. zeedoubleyou - May 23, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Please read this story and then tell me how bad you feel for Lance Stevenson. Karma’s a b-

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5467630

    • zeedoubleyou - May 23, 2012 at 9:27 AM

      Just to be clear, I am in no way condoning Pittman’s foul, I just don’t have to feel bad for *Stephenson that it happened.

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - May 23, 2012 at 9:51 AM

      Excellent work my friend.

  16. southbeachtalent - May 23, 2012 at 9:26 AM

    You guys are aware that Haslem has 9 stitches, and Wade has a scar across his face and also bled.

    So the Pacers have drawn blood twice now.

    What do they expect to happen? You talked a big game, and you were blown out. Let’s see how game 6 goes. My guess is that the Pacers will pick up a lot of fouls early. Just a hunch.

  17. tentoes2 - May 23, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    haslem, just like most of the league, is racist. playoff intensity? not really. just a chance to pick on the white guy.

  18. jolink653 - May 23, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    hansbrough’s foul was a hard one but he made a play on the ball, got the ball, and then followed through to wade’s face and drew blood which i guess is why it was called a flagrant 1 and haslem was clearly retaliating for that foul on wade by hammering hansbrough on that next possession which, as much as i hate the heat, was probably needed to stick up for his teammate…the one i think is disgusting was the pittman foul because he turned, saw stephenson coming in for the rebound, and purposely unloaded an elbow which could have really hurt the kid if it had landed on his throat or his collarbone…that should absolutely draw a suspension lasting the rest of the playoffs and unfortunately that won’t affect the heat because pittman is garbage to begin with and him being suspended won’t make any difference…there’s just no way to ever root for this team and i hope they never win anything

    • zeedoubleyou - May 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM

      “one i think is disgusting was the pittman foul because he turned, saw stephenson coming in for the rebound, and purposely unloaded an elbow which could have really hurt the kid if it had landed on his throat or his collarbone”

      Pittman is an idiot for doing what he did the way he did it, but the “kid” is an absolute punk, piece of trash, woman beater.

      ‘Authorities say the confrontation occurred around 5 a.m. Sunday when the woman, Jasmine Williams, was returning home to her apartment building with two friends. Witnesses said Stephenson was waiting for her and yelled, “Are you kidding me?” before pushing her down the stairs.

      A criminal complaint provided Monday by the Brooklyn district attorney’s office said that as Williams lay at the bottom of the stairs, Stephenson picked up her head and slammed it on the bottom step.’

      Pittman should be sitting for a couple days, Stephenson should be sitting for a couple years.

      • jolink653 - May 23, 2012 at 2:49 PM

        if that’s true then i totally agree he should be in jail for something like that because there’s nothing worse than hitting a woman and i think someone should toss him a severe beating for doing it…regardless of what kind of person he is though there is no room for that sort of behavior displayed by pittman on the court…at the end of the day it’s a game and no one should ever try to hurt another player intentionally

  19. santanaspikez - May 23, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    THERE IS NO EXCUSE NOR EXPLANATION FOR THIS CRAP!
    any FOOL trying to JUSTIFY this garbage is an IDIOT!
    This is why people hate the HEAT and their Crappy ASS PUNK ASS FANS.
    Scum Of The Earth!

  20. truthhurtstoo - May 23, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Spacers are scared and can’t win if ALL THE HEAT players miss time. They aren’t very good but their fans sure whine a lot!

    • gmsingh - May 23, 2012 at 4:11 PM

      I’m not sure they have any fans–just people that hate the Heat.

  21. judsonjr - May 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    A real punishment would be forcing the Heat to actually play Pittman.

  22. ryatt34 - May 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Pittman’s was clearly premeditated, was worse than Artest’s and because he clearly sought out Stephenson, more people than just Pittman should be held accountable. Pittman should get 25 games for basically assault. But at least 10 games. Spoelstra should get minimum one game, but 3 games would be about right. And the Heat organization should get fined the maximum amount under the CBS, something from 250 to 500k. Now that is just for the Pittman assault.

    As for the Haslem foul, it was certainly not good, but no where near the Pittman assault. But it was a Flagrant 2 and Haslem should get a one game suspension and the Heat organization fined another 100k.

    Simple as that, if you harbor thugs your organization has to be held accountable. And if I’m the Pacers and the proper discipline is not handed out, and the league office, to my face tells me they won’t do anything about, I tell him that the are condoning this type of behavior and that we will play the same way. And team USA would be looking to fill at least one more roster spot this summer quite quickly.

  23. agentknowhow - May 24, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    That’s not passion, that’s just dirty basketball. Haslem’s foul was at least a play on the ball. If he deserves a suspension so does D-wade for his foul on Collison. Pittman’s was clearly intentional.

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