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Bulls GM says fans can expect Carlos Boozer back

May 16, 2012, 7:52 PM EDT

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Bulls fans have turned Carlos Boozer into their whipping boy — all problems seem to be his fault, from issues like consistent post scoring to NATO summit protestors. To me, Boozer has seemed like what he always has been and Bulls fans sound like Jazz fans three years ago.

But sorry Bulls fans, Boozer is coming back.

While there have been calls from fans to use the amnesty clause on him, GM Gar Forman told The Mully and Hanley Show on 670 The Score, as transcribed by CBS Chicago.

“I think Carlos had a very productive year,” Forman said. “You look back, he’s the only guy on our team that played every game and practiced every day on a team that won more games than anybody in the NBA. He was our second leading scorer and our second leading rebounder. We’re looking forward to Carlos continuing to make progress. I know the last game clouds it a little bit, but he was very productive in the games before that. Even in that last game, in 27 minutes, he had 13 boards. I anticipate Carlos being with us and having another productive year next season.

“We’re happy Carlos Boozer is here and we like the core of the team that we have under contract.”

The problem with using the amnesty clause on Boozer is that you can’t just swap out his salary. Next Year Derrick Rose will start the first year of his five-year, $95 million deal, which means even if you amnesty Boozer the Bulls will be over the salary cap and only able to use things like the mid-level exception to bring in players. You can’t just bring in another $15 million a year free agent, that’s not how it works.

It might not be shocking to see the Bulls amnesty Boozer in a year or two to make sure they get under the luxury tax threshold. But to do now wouldn’t work because you can’t replace him and, despite what some Bulls fans think, they are not better off without him. That’s an efficient 15 and 9 a game you have to replace.

  1. lmoneyfresh - May 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    Might as well let him rot on the roster next year. I’m a bulls fan, but next year is a throw away. Leaving this schlub on the team will only help us get a better draft pick. Plus the later he is into his contract, the easier he will be to trade.

    I defended Boozer for a long time this year, because he often did put up good numbers and he did play pretty low minutes per game. But the fact that Thibs has to pull him every 4th quarter because he refuses to play defense is inexcusable for a player who is paid so much. It’s not as much of him being a bad player, but he’s a bad fit. He can still shoot and rebound, but he lacks the defensive ability or desire to be a good fit on that team.

  2. buffalowned - May 16, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Good news for the rest of the eastern conference

  3. Mr. Wright 212 - May 16, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Bulls Fans: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  4. 91devinhester23 - May 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    taj will be better once he gets his jumper down

    i really hope our front office kicks boozer to the curb soon

  5. BrownsTown (the 1st one, not the new guy using my name) - May 16, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    I would make the case that the Bulls were the biggest losers in the summer 2010 free agency period. Rejoice, Cavs and Raps fans!

    • handy678 - May 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

      Like there is any

    • handy678 - May 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

      Like there is any.

    • pudgalvin - May 16, 2012 at 10:46 PM

      Interesting thought. The Bulls have managed 100 wins over the last two seasons after back to back .500 years while the Raptors and Cavs will each spend 3 more years trying to hit that mark. If everything goes really well for them, they might even make the playoffs in 3 or 4 years.

      It’s easy to crap on Boozer, but he wasn’t signed to be Tim Duncan, he was signed to be a second scoring option after Rose. And when the Bulls have been completely healthy over the last two years, they’ve had the second most efficient offense in the league.

      And correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t teams only amnesty players the first two years of the new CBA? No way Reinsdorf eats 45 million; it’d be cheaper to pay the tax.

      • BrownsTown (the 1st one, not the new guy using my name) - May 17, 2012 at 9:37 AM

        My comment was tongue in cheek, but……

        The question is how many of those wins are attributed to Boozer, a guy on a max contract signed to be an impact player? Anytime I watch the Bulls, Boozer looks like the 3rd-best big on the team. If you take Boozer off the roster, how many fewer wins do they have? I’d argue not many. Boozer isn’t even on the floor at the end of games.

        In the summer of 2010, the Bulls were in the driver’s seat to set up a dynasty for the next 4-5 years. They missed on options 1-4 and settled for a guy that isn’t a max player. Heck, even Joe Johnson would have been a better guy to sign and he doesn’t deserve a max deal either.

        To the Cavs, they were pretty fortunate with how things shook, all things considered. They ended up with a guy that might be the best PG in 2-3 years and are starting at another top 5 pick in a loaded draft, with an additional first rounder in each of the next two years. If they draft well, they’ll be back in a few years in a better position.

      • chicitybulls - May 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM

        Best pg in 2-3 years? You’re really dreaming if you think that. He’ll be good no doubt but not the best. Have you seen the pg’s in the league?

  6. thisisether - May 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    BULLS fan here, and yes, next year is a throw away year… Hopefully we can get a lottery pick. Low to mid teens

  7. detroitcityryda - May 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    That also means his sharpie hair cut will be back too

  8. dirtybird2020 - May 16, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    People are idiots! What does bosh do that boozer doesnt?? 10 rebounds a night, 15-17 points a game, and both arent good on defense, the difference is boozer takes less than bosh, people are stupid, booze fits good and i dont mind taj playing the 4th neither does anyone! Boozer came through this year, and if rose didnt get hurt Bulls fans wouldnt even make that! True bulls fan atleast not no bandwagoner that jumped on when rose went big!

    • blueintown - May 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      ‘What does bosh do that boozer doesnt?’
      ____________________

      Jump.

      • lmoneyfresh - May 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

        Like I said, Boozer can produce. Most of the time. But on a team that revolves around defense Boozer just doesn’t fit. You don’t pay a guy as much as boozer if you can’t even play him in the 4th quarter.

  9. rdssc - May 16, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    This decision is the end of any chance Derrick Rose has at a tittle in Chicago. The economics of the NBA have hanged dramatically, and 3 more years with Boozer eating up 16 Million of cap space means no help forRose. His body will is breaking down already.

    • berto55 - May 17, 2012 at 7:15 AM

      I know it’s against the rules of being a Bulls fan to say anything negative about D. Rose, but him signing that contract probably ended any chance of us getting a title. GarPax is just as much to blame (no reason to give him that contract so soon as he would have been a restricted free agent at most right now). If you’re second highest player being cut doesn’t put you under the cap, you’re not in a great position.

      • chicitybulls - May 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM

        No. You dont play games like that and wait. The guy just came off of winning the MVP and the league creates a rule named for your accomplishments. He’s young. You lock a guy like that up. You dont take a chance of him going on the market or even putting any thoughts in his mind that he isn’t wanted or appreciated. You dont do business like the Bears.

  10. passerby23 - May 17, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    There is hardly a fan who faces reality with an objective mind. You’re blaming Boozer that you lost a series when your two best players were out? If the Bulls had survived that series (which really could’ve gone either way), and lost in the next round, people would’ve said, “Well, that’s really all you can expect when your franchise player is out.” The Bulls did not have enough offense. Period. Not Boozer’s fault. If Noah plays, that series is likely at least going 7 games.

  11. iowahbr - May 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM

    $15,000,000 plus per year wasted to prove how smart the Bull’s front office is. Let’s remember that classic definition of insanity from one of the smartest men who ever lived but never played or coached in the NBA. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Amnesty isn’t the answer as all the Bulls games are already sold out and 45,000,000 is not that easy to make these days. If Boozer had any sense he renegotiate to give the team some cap room. Most of us could get by on 10 mil per year if we didn’t eat out too often.

  12. tinito787 - May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM

    Wow!! Really? I am really dissapointed about bringing that bum back. Where is Mirotic? I would rather have Mirotic than that looser of Boozer. This is really the best you can do? We will have another dissapointing season next year. Can we fire the GM?

    • philtration - May 17, 2012 at 9:23 AM

      What you are saying makes no sense.
      First of all… Boozer is under contract and they are not going to pay him to play for another team. It does not help you financially, you are not going to replace him with a better player and you may just end up playing for a team that you are competing with in the East while you pay his salary.

      2nd….. Nikola Mirotic is under contract to play for Madrid and they would have to pay millions to buy out contract before even paying him his NBA salary.
      Not to mention that he is 21 years old and has never played in an NBA games before.
      He was drafted for the future and they are not a desperate team that can afford to have him on the roster. Why pay him to sit on the bench?

      3rd…. they are NOT going to fire the G.M. after posting the best record in the NBA in back to back seasons because Rose blew out his knee.
      If Rose does not get hurt do you not believe that the Bulls would be the favorite to win the East or at least play in the conference finals right now?
      Do they lack depth?
      Was there a better option than Boozer when the Bulls needed scoring from the forward position?
      Was there a better 3 point player available than Korver when they signed him?
      Do you know of a better Center than Noah or Asik as his back up that they could get?

      They were taken down by injuries to their best three players and they have to move on from that.
      Disappointing? Yes.
      End of the world and blow it up? No.

      • southbeachtalent - May 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

        Phil, I thought I’d never see the day. But you are spot on here.

        The Bulls are an extremely talented team when everyone is healthy. I criticize Boozer all the time but what better option do they have at this point? He’s not horrible but he seems to disappear all the time. But at this point they have to roll with him.

        Truth of the matter is we wouldn’t be discussing this if Rose were healthy.

      • lmoneyfresh - May 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

        It’s amazing how quickly people forget that the bulls had the best record in the league for the last two years and looked good going in to the playoffs this year. 2 starters go down with injuries and 1 (Deng) limited by an injury sure makes people think the sky is falling. The bulls had shit luck this year, plain and simple. But to think they have a bad roster is ignorant. Sure they could use some better players, but they did a pretty damn good job with what they had.

  13. rdssc - May 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    Boozer would never make it through the waiver period, some team well below the cap looking to make a splash would take a shot at him. He only has 3 years left.

    The Bulls best hope is to dump this season and get a high draft pick. The Spurs did it when Robinson went down and got Duncan and 5 championships out of it. The ability to pair Rose with another high draft pick, the Bobcats future #1, and Mirotic give the Bulls the youth and flexibility teams are going to need under the new CBA.

    The best thing for the Bulls to do is set themselves up to fix their cap and get a high draft pick in 2013. Rose and Deng (surgery after Olympics) should sit most of the season and Boozer should be sent packing. Bring in a few vets on 1 year contracts and fix the cap mess that was created by getting worked over by Wade and Rieley then ending up with the booby prize of one of the biggest FA periods ever.

    • chicitybulls - May 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      It doesnt work that way. Boozer’s money would still count against the Bulls payroll. You can’t just dump him and have that $15 million to sign other free agents. And if he signs with another eastern conference team then you’d be paying for him to play against you. This only makes sense if you’re a heat fan and you want to try to dismantle your biggest and best competition.

      • southbeachtalent - May 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

        I doubt he would sign a mid level exception, that’s about all the Heat would have to offer. Regardless we need a big, Boozer doesn’t fit that role.

  14. helinhater - May 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    Again, for those of you saying Boozer wouldnt take the Mid-level, let’s break this down in a rational way:

    1) If Bulls were to amnesty Boozer, his salary would be removed from the Bulls salary cap figure. That money would go towards signing free agents…if the Bulls werent already over the cap on account of Rose, Deng, Noah, Brewer, Korver and the rest of the gang. It’s like your Mom giving you her credit card and telling you to spend 200 bucks for back to school shopping. Only you spend 250 and then return something you bought early in the process for 50. You don’t have 50 to go spend. You’ve already hit your limit of 200.

    2) His ENTIRE contract would still be paid off. It just wouldnt count against the Bulls.

    3) Which means Boozer could take what the Bulls have to pay him…and accept the MLE/reduced salary to play for someone like the Heat (or Knicks or Lakers or whoever)…and still make 18-20 million. It’s literally a win-win for Boozer.

    4) As much as I love Korver, Rip, Brewer and Watson, we’re paying them about 18 million a year. That’s 3 backups making over 13 million a year. It’s a foolish use of our salary space. The good news is, Brewer, Rip, Korver and Watson can all be let go after next year. That leaves 6 players under contract (Rose, Deng, Noah, Boozer, Gibson, and Butler). Unfortunately, 4 of those guys add up to a 56 million dollar cap figure.

    Gar Forman has his work cut out for him if he doesnt want to replicate Lebron’s experience in Cleveland.

    As much as I hate to say it, now is the time to make an offer to Orlando for Dwight. Would you rather pay Noah, Boozer and Deng 41 million…or Howard 20?

    • blueintown - May 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM

      Excellent, logical, fact based post. Don’t forget, Carlos boozer wanted to play for the Heat and thought he was headed there before the whole “Big 3″ news broke. He lives down there during the offseason.

  15. gmsingh - May 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Boozer is an easy guy to hate on. He was hurt last season so everybody said he was lame (no pun intended). He’s been healthy this year and has had some great games. He’s inconsistent, though, and his defense has never improved. My only real complaint with him is that he’s a physical player, but he seems to work harder getting a rebound than he does going to the hoop to score points. He and Asik need to take lessons from Taj on how to go to the hoop and slam it home.

  16. iowahbr - May 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    what a sad state of affairs in the NBA that some fans are hoping fpr a terrible 12/13 Bulls season as the only way to make the team better thru the lottery..

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