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	<title>Comments on: It’s official: Derek Fisher joins Thunder, will play Wednesday</title>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
		<link>http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/its-official-derek-fisher-joins-thunder-will-play-wednesday/comment-page-1/#comment-80421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fouldwimmerlaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Essentially, my investment isn&#039;t &quot;just&quot; emotional as you might put it.

There is also monetary as mentioned earlier.

There&#039;s Time too. I could have done other things instead whenever my team plays.

Sacrifice? Well we do give up some stuff just to be able to show our support for our team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essentially, my investment isn&#8217;t &#8220;just&#8221; emotional as you might put it.</p>
<p>There is also monetary as mentioned earlier.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s Time too. I could have done other things instead whenever my team plays.</p>
<p>Sacrifice? Well we do give up some stuff just to be able to show our support for our team.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@passerby23: I hear you. But lest you forget, fans spend on tickets (season or otherwise), team paraphernalia (jerseys, caps, etc) and significantly contribute on how &quot;marketable&quot; a franchise is (why are there big market and small market teams?). The size of the fanbase of a team is very important. Consistent sold-out games and high ratings on tv and the internet would mean more sponsors and higher rates of income. These translates to increase in revenue for the team which allows advantages in getting better players and providing better stadiums and facilities, etc.

So, it&#039;s unfair to say that a fan has no contribution whatsoever. Small it may seem if you see each individual in isolation. However, with sheer numbers and clumped together, the effect is definitely felt.

You said: &quot;The sports fan calls himself “proud” and “loyal”, but would turn on them in an instant and throw anyone on the team under the bus at a moment’s notice if you just give them a reason. The sports fan who calls a team “theirs” is actually insanely fickle, anxious, and insecure, which is the exact opposite of pride and loyalty.&quot;

Now, that&#039;s unfair cause you are making a sweeping statement. Not all fans behave as you would mention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@passerby23: I hear you. But lest you forget, fans spend on tickets (season or otherwise), team paraphernalia (jerseys, caps, etc) and significantly contribute on how &#8220;marketable&#8221; a franchise is (why are there big market and small market teams?). The size of the fanbase of a team is very important. Consistent sold-out games and high ratings on tv and the internet would mean more sponsors and higher rates of income. These translates to increase in revenue for the team which allows advantages in getting better players and providing better stadiums and facilities, etc.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s unfair to say that a fan has no contribution whatsoever. Small it may seem if you see each individual in isolation. However, with sheer numbers and clumped together, the effect is definitely felt.</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;The sports fan calls himself “proud” and “loyal”, but would turn on them in an instant and throw anyone on the team under the bus at a moment’s notice if you just give them a reason. The sports fan who calls a team “theirs” is actually insanely fickle, anxious, and insecure, which is the exact opposite of pride and loyalty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, that&#8217;s unfair cause you are making a sweeping statement. Not all fans behave as you would mention.</p>
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		<title>By: savvybynature</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any chance you could tell us what he signed for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance you could tell us what he signed for?</p>
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		<title>By: storebrandcookies</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek Fisher has a chance to have more rings than Kobe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek Fisher has a chance to have more rings than Kobe?</p>
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		<title>By: rodgersmvp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s unfortunate, but it makes sense for both sides. I would still like to see Fisher ride off into the sunset with another ring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate, but it makes sense for both sides. I would still like to see Fisher ride off into the sunset with another ring.</p>
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		<title>By: passerby23</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll never understand how fans have so much &quot;pride&quot; when &quot;their&quot; team wins. I&#039;m a huge sports fan, but I never lose sight of the fact that that&#039;s all I am. I have nothing invested in the team. I have contributed nothing to their success. It&#039;s a group of players who happen to be employed in or near your geographical location. How is there pride in that? YOU did not sacrifice anything, and the team is comprised of players who are simply there contractually. The team doesn&#039;t represent individual people in a geographical area. It&#039;s all a bit silly. They love Dirk in Dallas. If he spurned them for another team, he would be hated in Dallas. The sports fan calls himself &quot;proud&quot; and &quot;loyal&quot;, but would turn on them in an instant and throw anyone on the team under the bus at a moment&#039;s notice if you just give them a reason. The sports fan who calls a team &quot;theirs&quot; is actually insanely  fickle, anxious, and insecure, which is the exact opposite of pride and loyalty.

Enjoy the game and players, but all this talk about &quot;our&quot; team pride is ridiculous. Because someone invests emotionally in a game doesn&#039;t make them YOUR team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never understand how fans have so much &#8220;pride&#8221; when &#8220;their&#8221; team wins. I&#8217;m a huge sports fan, but I never lose sight of the fact that that&#8217;s all I am. I have nothing invested in the team. I have contributed nothing to their success. It&#8217;s a group of players who happen to be employed in or near your geographical location. How is there pride in that? YOU did not sacrifice anything, and the team is comprised of players who are simply there contractually. The team doesn&#8217;t represent individual people in a geographical area. It&#8217;s all a bit silly. They love Dirk in Dallas. If he spurned them for another team, he would be hated in Dallas. The sports fan calls himself &#8220;proud&#8221; and &#8220;loyal&#8221;, but would turn on them in an instant and throw anyone on the team under the bus at a moment&#8217;s notice if you just give them a reason. The sports fan who calls a team &#8220;theirs&#8221; is actually insanely  fickle, anxious, and insecure, which is the exact opposite of pride and loyalty.</p>
<p>Enjoy the game and players, but all this talk about &#8220;our&#8221; team pride is ridiculous. Because someone invests emotionally in a game doesn&#8217;t make them YOUR team.</p>
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		<title>By: jimeejohnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Culture shock: you betcha!  Love to see OKC play the Lakers for all the beans out west.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Culture shock: you betcha!  Love to see OKC play the Lakers for all the beans out west.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
		<link>http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/its-official-derek-fisher-joins-thunder-will-play-wednesday/comment-page-1/#comment-80371</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would tend to agree (I rather have Fish finish his playing career as a Laker) but I can&#039;t really blame the Lakers either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to agree (I rather have Fish finish his playing career as a Laker) but I can&#8217;t really blame the Lakers either.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fouldwimmerlaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@losangelesbasketball: Fish is a competitor. He&#039;d rather play for a contender. I would too if I were in his shoes.

That being said, one has to understand that this is a business. As Kobe would oft say, &quot;It&#039;s the nature of the beast,&quot; referring to the NBA.

In as much as we shouldn&#039;t blame the Lakers for trading away Fish to get better players, we shouldn&#039;t put it against him for choosing to play for the Thunder.

Besides, as a real Laker fan and a fan of professional basketball, I look forward to the challenges that get in the way to the Promised Land (which we reached 16 times).

Afterall, if we would claim that we are the best team, then we must beat the best the opposition has to offer. That Laker Pride is latched on the idea that only by beating the best teams can one really brag they are truly the best.

Where&#039;s the pride in beating pick-up teams comprised of clearasil kids?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@losangelesbasketball: Fish is a competitor. He&#8217;d rather play for a contender. I would too if I were in his shoes.</p>
<p>That being said, one has to understand that this is a business. As Kobe would oft say, &#8220;It&#8217;s the nature of the beast,&#8221; referring to the NBA.</p>
<p>In as much as we shouldn&#8217;t blame the Lakers for trading away Fish to get better players, we shouldn&#8217;t put it against him for choosing to play for the Thunder.</p>
<p>Besides, as a real Laker fan and a fan of professional basketball, I look forward to the challenges that get in the way to the Promised Land (which we reached 16 times).</p>
<p>Afterall, if we would claim that we are the best team, then we must beat the best the opposition has to offer. That Laker Pride is latched on the idea that only by beating the best teams can one really brag they are truly the best.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the pride in beating pick-up teams comprised of clearasil kids?</p>
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		<title>By: rodgersmvp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anything the Lakers betrayed him, thought it did make good business sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything the Lakers betrayed him, thought it did make good business sense.</p>
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		<title>By: losangelasbasketball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[losangelasbasketball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s he supposed to do?
I dunno, not go to the one team the Lakers will have trouble beating in the playoffs...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s he supposed to do?<br />
I dunno, not go to the one team the Lakers will have trouble beating in the playoffs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mrlitl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. Fisher didn&#039;t demand a trade like some other jerks(looking at you Dwight and Melo). He was traded BY the Lakers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Fisher didn&#8217;t demand a trade like some other jerks(looking at you Dwight and Melo). He was traded BY the Lakers.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fouldwimmerlaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A traitor? Why so? Enlighten me.

It wasn&#039;t his decision to leave the Lakers. The man needs to take care of his family. What was he supposed to do then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A traitor? Why so? Enlighten me.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t his decision to leave the Lakers. The man needs to take care of his family. What was he supposed to do then?</p>
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		<title>By: losangelasbasketball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[losangelasbasketball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fisher is a traitor... get ready for the boos....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fisher is a traitor&#8230; get ready for the boos&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fouldwimmerlaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell me then, won&#039;t you feel the same pride had your team accomplished the same? Really, HOW WOULD YOU feel if your team got those banners in our rafters. You&#039;d be oozing with pride just the same. To deny it would be hypocritical.

I never said the other teams suck. My statements are based on facts which even the haters cannot deny. What is pathetic is that haters take it against the Lakers for being consistent contenders compared to ALL the other teams. Can you blame us if we would snort out and cough up the words &quot;envy&quot; and &quot;jealousy&quot;?

Now, I&#039;ve been a Laker fan since I was a kid during the Magic-Kareem-Worthy Showtime era and still rooted for the Lakers during their dismal showing under Pfund, which means I cannot be accused of being a fair-weather fan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me then, won&#8217;t you feel the same pride had your team accomplished the same? Really, HOW WOULD YOU feel if your team got those banners in our rafters. You&#8217;d be oozing with pride just the same. To deny it would be hypocritical.</p>
<p>I never said the other teams suck. My statements are based on facts which even the haters cannot deny. What is pathetic is that haters take it against the Lakers for being consistent contenders compared to ALL the other teams. Can you blame us if we would snort out and cough up the words &#8220;envy&#8221; and &#8220;jealousy&#8221;?</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve been a Laker fan since I was a kid during the Magic-Kareem-Worthy Showtime era and still rooted for the Lakers during their dismal showing under Pfund, which means I cannot be accused of being a fair-weather fan.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fouldwimmerlaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calling the Lakers, &quot;fakers&quot; is just like calling Meryl Streep an actress-wannabe...

...unless of course you&#039;re being sarcastic. LOL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling the Lakers, &#8220;fakers&#8221; is just like calling Meryl Streep an actress-wannabe&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;unless of course you&#8217;re being sarcastic. LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: bearsstillsuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fould: it&#039;s that attitude there that makes everybody hate laker fans. And I&#039;ve never rooted for fisher more than I am now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fould: it&#8217;s that attitude there that makes everybody hate laker fans. And I&#8217;ve never rooted for fisher more than I am now.</p>
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		<title>By: fouldwimmerlaik</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks D-Fish for everything. We appreciate what you have contributed to the Lakers. I wish you all the best in your career.

Funny when LAKER haters use that word &quot;fakers.&quot;

What&#039;s so fake with 16 NBA championships, 31 Conference Titles (ergo 31 Finals appearances, 22 Division Titles)?

If Lakers were fake what would you call your team? What has your team got?

Bottomfeeder?

Pathetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks D-Fish for everything. We appreciate what you have contributed to the Lakers. I wish you all the best in your career.</p>
<p>Funny when LAKER haters use that word &#8220;fakers.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s so fake with 16 NBA championships, 31 Conference Titles (ergo 31 Finals appearances, 22 Division Titles)?</p>
<p>If Lakers were fake what would you call your team? What has your team got?</p>
<p>Bottomfeeder?</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: fnc111</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will love watching him be a part of beating the Fakers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will love watching him be a part of beating the Fakers.</p>
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