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Shane Battier would welcome anti-flop regulations, but wants offensive floppers penalized as well

Mar 19, 2012, 5:55 PM EDT

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A lot of NBA fans hate “flopping,” or the practice of a defensive player falling back like he was knocked clean out after an offensive player so much as touches him, with a passion. There has even been talk of passing some rules that would penalize a “flop.” Shane Battier, who is among the league leaders in charges taken, has some thoughts on anti-flop penalties, and they’re not exactly what you think they might be. Hoopidea’s Tom Haberstroh has the story:

You might be surprised to find out Battier’s stance on anti-flop regulation:

He’s all for it.

But there’s one key stipulation: offensive floppers would need to be called, too.

Battier joked that offensive flopping is “the silent killer” of the league. Sure, charge-takers might exaggerate the impact of a collision, but offensive players aren’t exactly innocent either. In Battier’s mind, an anti-flopping measure would need to be implemented on both ends of the floor.

“As long as they have the same penalty against offensive floppers – guys who drive through the lane and throw back their head and flail and cry – then I’d have no problem with it on the defensive end,” Battier said.

Battier singled out long-haired former teammate Luis Scola for using his hair to draw whistles, and he does have a point about “offensive flopping” — it’s become completely ordinary to see players fly back when they get bumped dribbling on the perimeter, jerk their head back in the way Battier described when going to the rim, and shout “and-1!” every time they put up a layup attempt in traffic.

The league has already tried to crack down some on “cheap points” by officially eliminating the “rip move” this off-season, but Battier would apparently be in favor of doing something like fining offensive floppers or making an “offensive flop” a turnover, which would deny the chance for an offensive rebound. Flopping is and always will be extremely hard to regulate, but it’s always fun to see a smart guy like Battier discuss some potential rule changes.

(By the way, my two cents on flopping: if referees were willing to call offensive fouls when a defender has good position, gets run into, and stays on his feet while trying to contest the shot, we might see less guys sliding across the floor when an offensive player’s move to the basket generates a slight breeze. Just a thought.)

  1. bearsstillsuck - Mar 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Flopping is part of the game at every level, and I have no problem with it. Dare I say that the refs might have to step up their game and recognize a flop and not call it.

  2. clydemonkey - Mar 19, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    I like this. Chris Paul and Chauncey Billups are two of the worst offensive floppers in the game. And they’re good FT shooters.

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Mar 20, 2012 at 11:32 AM

      Billups is the king of it. Throwing his head back, flailing his arms, kicking his legs when no one even touches him (in some cases).

      LeBron and Wade verbal flop all the time as well.

      Allen Iverson was one of the first to really abuse it. Every time he drove to the hole you would hear “OH!!!!!!!” whenever he got into traffic.

      These guys just take it to a new level.

      Chris Paul is the biggest flop artist period, because he egregiously does it on both ends.

  3. mrbiz8505 - Mar 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    D Wade would lose 10pts a game if they did this

    • sprest83 - Mar 19, 2012 at 10:38 PM

      Totally, the heat would take the biggest hit. Miami Heat = actors not ballers

    • Mr. Wright 212 - Mar 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

      Completely agreed.

  4. nhornblower - Mar 19, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    The first one he should talk to is his team mate.

  5. lunasceiling - Mar 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    One sport with an (arguably) worse flopping problem than hoops is soccer. So imagine the big grin on my face when I saw a player in the Champions League (of all places) pull an utterly obvious flop…and the ref walked up and hit him with a yellow card for unsportsmanlike conduct. If the NBA’s refs T up a few of the obvious floppers, it might help with this situation.

  6. dafranchise03 - Mar 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Did Battier really single out Scola? The dude averages 3 free throws a game this year with a career high of 3.9 a game. Every knows he flops of the defensive end but not on the offensive.

  7. tomshoe - Mar 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    “it’s become completely ordinary to see players fly back when they get bumped dribbling on the perimeter, jerk their head back in the way Battier described when going to the rim, and shout “and-1!” every time they put up a layup attempt in traffic.”

    hahahahah that makes me laugh imagining these tough guy players do that…

  8. borderline1988 - Mar 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    I’ve been saying the same thing for years.

    Dwayne Wade is more guilty of flopping than any defensive player in the league.

    Except for one man. Paul Pierce. That guy drives me nuts. At least Wade flops while aggressively attacking the basket. Pierce screams when he’s 30 feet away from the basket, running around a pick. It’s the classic Pierce move. Have a guy set a pick for you, run straight into the hedger, and then fall down and scream. It happens every time. Doesn’t matter if it’s Early Boykins being the hedger.

  9. jjordannba - Mar 19, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    Yes Chris Paul is annoying with all his flopping, its soft and cheap why not just earn the play then fake it, He fouled a key player out the game the other night.

  10. 1972wasalongtimeago - Mar 19, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    Not mentioning names, but rhymes with Rerrick Dose.

    • MightyMoonWorm - Mar 20, 2012 at 12:32 AM

      I don’t know, running as fast as possible to the rack and jumping into people seems like a pretty viable strategy to me.

      • allthewaylive1 - Jun 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

        Except when you blow your knee out…

  11. adamthompson24 - Mar 20, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    “(By the way, my two cents on flopping: if referees were willing to call offensive fouls when a defender has good position, gets run into, and stays on his feet while trying to contest the shot, we might see less guys sliding across the floor when an offensive player’s move to the basket generates a slight breeze. Just a thought.)”

    I couldn’t agree more. The way games are called and the bailouts guys get for just attacking the bodies of defenders (cough Lebron) only increases the tendency for defenders to flop to finally get a call. Guys driving to the basket act like they have the right of way when attacking the hoop, and the game is often called like this nowadays too. It makes defending these guys practically impossible given the status quo, leading to ugly, forced offense. I got off topic, but the way the game is officiated (not even mentioning palming and traveling) has destroyed what should be something much more natural.

    Back to the point: I like the idea of calling technical fouls for flops either way. Free throw and possession for non flopping team. It’d be hard to regulate but should only be used for the most obvious cases.

  12. passerby23 - Mar 20, 2012 at 1:57 AM

    I don’t like more rules, especially for flopping. Sometimes flopping is the result of a guy being bodied around, not getting a call, and having to resort to “selling” the play to finally get a call. Sometimes it’s actually a foul, but the player overdramatizes it. Does that negate the call? I don’t want to see a game being decided by a tech for a “questionable” flop. Maybe fines for flopping, but not techs. It would just get out of control.

    • hgulkkcaj - Apr 24, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      “Maybe fines for flopping, but not techs. It would just get out of control.”

      I agree – plus, if you’re fining guys, it hits the pocket books. AND, the league office could use replays to determine whether a guy flopped or not. It could get dicey if you’re trying to determine live whether a guy flopped or not.

  13. DonRSD - Mar 20, 2012 at 6:22 AM

    Stop playing panty ball. Let there be contact.
    These guys play patty cake basketball and it’s very boring to watch.
    NBA = African Ballet

  14. davidtmp - Mar 20, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Are you REALLY commenting a DUKE player about flopping?? They are the kings of flopping! The refs shouldn’t call fouls, turnovers, or anything against floppers. They should just walk over to them while they lay on the floor, and kick them in the head, hand them a towel, and say, “wipe the sweat off the floor when you get up”

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Mar 20, 2012 at 11:58 PM

      Kings of slapping the floor on defense too

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