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Report: Magic working on three-team deal to get Monta Ellis

Mar 12, 2012, 5:37 PM EDT

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I am starting this post off with a disclaimer: Take this actual report with a grain of salt. It is a long, long way from reality. I bring you this more as a way of discussing the mindset in Orlando.

A report from Real GM (via IamaGM) has the Orlando Magic working hard on a three-team deal that would bring Monta Ellis to the Warriors to pair with Dwight Howard.

The Magic, Warriors and Hornets are in discussions on a three-team trade, two league sources confirmed. Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Dorell Wright would be sent by the Warriors to the Magic. Ryan Anderson, J.J. Redick, Hedo Turkoglu and Quentin Richardson would be the main outgoing pieces from Orlando.

The Hornets’ exact involvement is unclear, but believed to be centered around Chris Kaman.

The Warriors have been desperate for a big man in the middle, so my guess is they would get Kaman and some of those other parts — or players not mentioned — would wind up in New Orleans.

The point here is this: Orlando is all about bringing in players to keep Dwight Howard happy and in town, not shipping him out. Since All-Star Weekend the news out of the Magic camp has been pretty consistent that they do not intend to move Howard. If some team gets desperate and makes a wild offer, maybe. Or maybe owner Rich DeVos wakes up Thursday and changes his mind and wants to see a deal done. But that’s not likely.

This report just shows that they are trying to bring in bigger names. Now, we can have another discussion about whether that deal would actually make the Magic that much better. It would give them a guy who can create and score on the perimeter, however.

  1. bparmalee - Mar 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    So which of those large…bad contracts do they think the Hornets…aka the league..is going to eat? Ryan Anderson is a restricted free agent next year… so maybe they could keep him….. but is that worth throwing a horrid deal on the books? If the league does this deal it’s only to try and keep Howard in Orlando. This deal could not in anyway make the Hornets better.

  2. bozosforall - Mar 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    As long as the Lakers aren’t involved, David Stern is down with anything. Gonna be funny when the Lakers still figure out a way to win the title despite Stern’s attempts at sabotage.

    • bparmalee - Mar 12, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      I’m not a Lakers fan but I have to agree with you. This trade would stink for the Hornets unless it’s loaded with draft picks (which it wont be). I mean Kaman would have to go to Golden State along with most likely Turkoglu and a prob a pick… that has the Hornets taking Richardson or Wright, Biedrins, and Ryan Anderson for Kaman. Wright has been struggling and Ryan Anderson might find a better deal some where else next year. The CP3 was weird but the deal they got wasn’t bad but this would be the league stepping in to facilitate the Magic keeping Howard… presumably away from the Lakers. It just looks bad. Lakers fans have a gripe to me.

      • bozosforall - Mar 12, 2012 at 7:42 PM

        Stern is still an idiot. It will hurt the league in the long run if he keeps stepping in and negating only select deals.

    • pudgalvin - Mar 12, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      Might want to work on beating the Wizards and Pistons before setting your sights on the title.

      • bozosforall - Mar 12, 2012 at 7:43 PM

        Every team has down night. At least the Lakers aren’t hovering around .500 like the Celtics are…and at least they can beat teams like the Heat, instead of only beating the dregs of the league like the Celtics seem to only be able to do.

  3. narlo00 - Mar 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    hmm… NO is involved in keeping D12 in Orlando??? Stern’s finger prints are all over this one.. what a loser.. oh well, this’ll pave the way for d-will in LA!!

  4. rotaylla - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Orlando is getting desperate now l suppose if this deal goes down…l don’t believe warriors would let montta Ellis go without getting Dwight Howard in return, would kaman makes warriors better in the middle?? No doubt he would but who would thier primary scorer l don’t think curry alone can do that…

  5. myktuggle - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    I don’t care about any of these teams. I was hoping that Orlando would be foolish in thinking that D12 would stay next year so that my ailing Mavericks could pick him up. They better trade for some key pieces ASAP. Because its looking like they will be burnt once again like when they lost Shaq diesel.

  6. raidmagic - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Nonononononononono!!!!!!!!!!! This is horrible!!!!! As a Magic fan I am 100% against this. The only upside to this i s losing Turk’s contract.

    • olliewillie - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM

      Really? Ryno is a really good player but he’s a product of Orlando mainly, with Dwight stretching the floor, he’s great, how about without him???…..Reddick is a super player and a great cultural fit but he’s expendable (has no more upside either). I love Turk but not for that price.

      Ellis is the scorer the Magic have been screaming for. They need someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck and make things happen…….He’ll really flourish with a big man too, something we’ve never seen him play with. He’d be an All-Star in ORL.

      Oh and Wright is a 3 point freak, perfect for ORL. Beidrens is a solid backup C, no more or less…….Both of these players are having shocking years, but don’t forget it wasn’t that long ago that they were very solid NBA players……

    • 00maltliquor - Mar 13, 2012 at 3:59 AM

      You’re crazy man

  7. losangelasbasketball - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    “I am starting this post off with a disclaimer: Take this actual report with a grain of salt.”
    Goes without saying, it’s trade rumor season.

  8. ch8878 - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    This is clearly a salary dump move by Orlando seems like they’ll have plenty of money to spend next year if this move goes through.

    Its good to see there doing what they can to keep Howard.

  9. chiadam - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    I see a ton of upside for the Magic (both by addition and subtraction) and virtually none for anyone else.

  10. ravensfreak00 - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    As a Magic fan, I love the idea of the Magic getting Monta Ellis and dumping Turkoglu bloated contract. Still, I don’t see how this really benefits the other two teams.

  11. whosgotitbetter - Mar 12, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    The Warriors will only give up Monta for D12. Other then that they wont let him go especially with Currys foot the way it is

  12. jolink653 - Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    why would the warriors ever want turkoglu quentin richardson and jj reddick? how does that make them better? exchanging one of the best scorers in the league for spare parts and bad contracts? nah sounds like a fake rumor….and what would either team have to offer the hornets? unless klay thompson or some other young player is involved

  13. manwithpizza - Mar 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    It is amazing how story lines, such as the “Turkoglu’s contract is bad” can overtake reality. Since he was included everyone assumes it is a salary cutting trade for Orlando. Don’t worry though, I am here to break down the actual numbers.

    Assuming the trade is as outlined in the article, Orlando is trading 22.3 mil in salary this year for 23.8.

    Next year (2012-13) I think it’s fair to assume GS dumps Redick’s contract (not guaranteed next year) and the are on the hook for 14.4 for Turkoglu and Richardson, while Orlando owes 24.1 to Ellis, Biedrins and Wright.

    Then the next year Turkoglu can be waived, Leaving GS only owing 2.8 to Richardson, assuming he picks up his player option. Orlando will have Ellis and Biedrins both with player options. It’s fair to assume that Ellis doesn’t pick up his options and looks for a long term deal in free agency, while Biedrins does, since he is already not worth his price. That means Orlando owes 9 mill for 2013-14 from this trade.

    The dirty secret of the trade is that Biedrin’s contract is actually worse than Turkoglu’s, since he has that player option.

    Crucially, Orlando is giving GS the right to match Ryan Anderson’s contract offers this off-season, and if he gets a contract from GS, then they do end up paying more, BUT they are paying a young and productive big man, not dead weight like Turkoglu or Biedrins.

    I think if you understand these numbers, you can see why this is a bad trade for Orlando.

    DETAILS:
    RFA- restricted free agent
    NG – non-guaranteed
    PO – player option

    GS
    2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
    Anderson 2.2 (RFA)
    Redick 6.7 6.2(NG)
    Turkoglu 11 11.8 12(NG)
    Richardson 2.4 2.6 2.8(NG)
    TOTAL 22.3

    ORL
    2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
    Ellis 11 11 11(PO)
    Biedrins 9 9 9(PO)
    Wright 3.8 4.1
    23.8

    MOST LIKELY SCENARIO:

    GS
    2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
    Anderson 2.2 ?
    Redick 6.7
    Turkoglu 11 11.8
    Richardson 2.4 2.6 2.8
    TOTAL 22.3 14.4 2.8

    ORL
    2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
    Ellis 11 11 11(PO)
    Biedrins 9 9 9(PO)
    Wright 3.8 4.1
    23.8 24.1 9

    • manwithpizza - Mar 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

      I tried to format my details better here

      DETAILS:
      RFA – restrictes free agent
      NG – non-guaranteed
      PO – player option

      GS (next 3 years)
      Anderson..: 2.2,(RFA)
      Redick……..: 6.7, 6.2(NG)
      Turkoglu…..: 11, 11.8, 12(NG)
      Richardson.: 2.4 2.6 2.8(NG)

      ORL (next 3 years)
      Ellis………: 11, 11, 11(PO)
      Biedrins..: 9, 9, 9(PO)
      Wright…..: 3.8, 4.1

      MOST LIKELY SCENARIO:

      GS
      Anderson………: 2.2, ?
      Redick…………: 6.7
      Turkoglu………: 11, 11.8
      Richardson…..: 2.4, 2.6, 2.8
      TOTAL OWED: 22.3, 14.4. 2.8

      ORL
      Ellis……………..: 11, 11
      Biedrins……….: 9, 9, 9
      Wright………….: 3.8, 4.1
      TOTAL OWED: 23.8, 24.1, 9

  14. losangelasbasketball - Mar 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    howard is going to free agency, then new jersey, then no rings…

  15. sunsation3413 - Mar 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Why do Lakers fans think everything that goes on in the NBA has something to do with them?! Get real….you’re not that good this year.

    • tsi431 - Mar 13, 2012 at 8:04 AM

      Laker’s are not good this year because:

      1.) They are a veteran, another name for old, team whom needs days off like a typical 80 game season would give them.

      2.) When Stern veto’d the accepted trade for CP3, it pissed off Odom that the Lakers were going to trade him. Thus he demanded a trade immediately, since in his mind, he was no longer wanted in L.A and would refuse to go to camp with the team. This gave the Lakers no leverage in trading him, and also lost there 6th man, and in all intensive purposes lost there bench as well.

  16. andyreidisfat - Mar 13, 2012 at 4:42 AM

    I think it sucks Howard doesn’t want to stay and win titles with the team that drafted him but that is just how the stupid nba works now.

    What I really hate is the magics inability to realize that Howard is leaving he just doesn’t want his next team to be gutted when he gets there. The magic must trade him. They will end up with nothing and what’s worse is that with d will a free agent as well we will probably have to put up with another super team, that is if Howard doesn’t sign with the heat.

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