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Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks failing chemistry

Mar 7, 2012, 10:35 AM EDT

New York Knicks point guard Jeremy Lin and Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony looks on against the Atlanta Hawks in the second quarter of their NBA basketball game at Madison Square Garden in New York Reuters

Jeremy Lin has not solved the problem.

All season long we kept saying, “the Knicks just need a point guard to organize this offense and push the tempo and they’ll be fine.” Well, they found one in Jeremy Lin, then they added a new piece to help their bench scoring in J.R. Smith.

And the result is they have lost five of eight games since everyone came together. The Knicks look disorganized and unsure of how to work togheter. At a time when Philadelphia is slumping and suddenly up for grabs, the Knicks are letting the opportunity go to waste.

With all their new pieces, they can’t find a groove. Tom Haberstroh of ESPN passes along these notes on twitter:

Carmelo Anthony‘s PER with Jeremy Lin off court this season: 21.8. Carmelo’s PER with Lin ON court? 12.2…. Knicks’ offensive efficiency (pts per 100 trips): Lin on/Carmelo off? 105.0. Lin off/Carmelo on? 98.8. Both on? 97.9.

Carmelo Anthony admitted as much after the game, as reported by Howard Beck at the New York Times.

“I think anytime you go from the early part of the season, just having the ball and me just having the ball and being the distributor, and now just running the wings and waiting for the ball to come to me, that’s quite an adjustment for myself.”

It is, but it’s what he has to do. We keep saying the Knicks just need time but right now we are not seeing any progress toward the goal of an integrated offense. They still just seem like parts. And Lin is not blameless in this — he is a point guard whose job is to get guys the ball in a place they like it and he is struggling to do that consistently. But the problems are deeper than just one person.

It’s going to come back to coach Mike D’Antoni — as much as he wants a less structured, more improvised offense he needs to come up with a framework where Lin and Anthony and Amare Stoudemire and everyone else can feel comfortable. Maybe that is to play faster, maybe that is specific half-court sets that use Anthony on the ball not off it.

If he doesn’t find an answer, his seat is going to start to warm up again as he sits there in the last year of his contract.

  1. reupjosh - Mar 7, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Trade Anthony!

    • stayhigh_247 - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM

      Are you nuts? Melo’s one the best scorers in the league. J Linn needs to step his distribution game up and learn how to go left. The best scenario for the immediate future is having BD run with Melo because Baron is a true pg and a crafty veteran who knows how to set up his “Allstar”. Trade Melo and you will never win a ring.

      • chargerdillon - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM

        The NBA is a business, and Jeremy Lin made the Knicks business SKYROCKET, because of who he is and how he played minus Carmelo Anthony.

        In the simple business of the game, there’s lots of talented black atheletes that are already being marketed to the point of oversaturation in this country.

        There’s only 2 asian superstars in the NBA and Yao is all but gone at this point. Everything that is Jeremy Lin is not only better on the court for the Knicks but better off the court for the Knicks as well.

        Without Melo = winning streak
        With Melo = losing streak

        The eyeball test doesnt lie buddy

      • khadeemw - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:51 PM

        are you nuts….Melo has been the common denominator for the Knicks trouble…ship him off…get some good draft picks and a solid player…cut ur losses because with Melo its not gonna work. Period.

      • khadeemw - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:52 PM

        and as far as Melo needing to be set up…he doesnt want…he was to catch the ball and go to work…which has failed him over and over again….watch basketball before you comment nosense

      • khadeemw - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:52 PM

        and as far as Melo needing to be set up…he doesnt want…he wants to catch the ball and go to work…which has failed him over and over again….watch basketball before you comment nosense

      • incady - Mar 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM

        Scoring doesn’t win games. Melo scored 32 against the Bobcats in Jan, and they lost. Against the Bobcats. When Melo has a high scoring game, the Knicks lose. When Lin has a high scoring game they win. What’s wrong with this picture?

  2. reupjosh - Mar 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    …or change the Coach… The need to decide if they want D’antoni’s offense, or Melo’s iso. I say get rid of Melo, for better roll players who play defense.

    • cinnalocks - Mar 7, 2012 at 11:00 AM

      Wow
      A roll is something you put butter on and eat.
      A role is a part you play, as in a movie or a team.

      I know it is sports but have a clue. People get pissed that immigrants cannot speak the language well a lot of home raised people have no idea either.

      • reupjosh - Mar 7, 2012 at 11:07 AM

        Wow… yet you didn’t catch that I left off the ‘y’ on ‘They’ on my second sentence. I apologize for the typos, a-hole.

  3. sslikma13 - Mar 7, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    The Knicks were better without Melo. I know that they won’t trade him but they might be better if they did. As good as he is offensively, he sucks defensively and is a ball-hog.

    • stayhigh_247 - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

      yeah but you cant attribute the Knicks defensive problems solely on Melo. Damphony’s teams dont play defense period, if anything they should fire his ass and let Mike Woodson run the team, he had a good run with the Hawks. at least until Phil Jackson can find the right condo on the upper east side.

      • sslikma13 - Mar 13, 2012 at 2:25 PM

        I agree but I just see Melo as a problem. He always wants the ball and if he doesn’t get it then sometimes he pouts and stamps his feet like a child. If the Knicks want to win then he needs to be a team player. Same guy who said basically “I’m can be a team player but I want the ball.”… Last night he almost flipped when Lin drove to the lane and drew a foul versus passing to him. I say trade him.

    • loungefly74 - Mar 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

      agree…and we all saw this coming.

      Melo…like T-Mac, Marbury, and Steve Francis just have bad chemistry qualities about them. I’m not saying they can’t play because they can but their style of game hurts the overall team game. IDK, maybe it is coaching. i mean, they should be better theoretically with Melo?

      i’ll say this…Melo does lack the “X factor” quality players like Kobe or Wade have an abundance of…

      BTW…has Denver been better off since trading Melo? maybe…hmmm..

    • 1historian - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

      true and true and they are STUCK WITH HIM.

      Only in New York.

      Ain’t it grand?

      • sslikma13 - Mar 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM

        Somewhere Donnie Walsh is laughing cause he knows that he was right.

  4. premiumpit - Mar 7, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Something needs to be done….Melo is supposed to be this great shooter but he cant hit a damn jump shot…wtf…He is supposed to be our go to guy and he def has not been that…Has he hit a big shot since he came back…Besides the other night in boston i dont think so…And yet we lost that game…Something has to be done here…I guess we just arent that good…

  5. noirad - Mar 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Knicks remind of the Denver Nuggets when they had A.I and Melo and we all know how that experiment turned out.

  6. SOBEIT - Mar 7, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    What I saw is that Lin performs better when he plays with Chandler, Fields, Jeffries, Novak and Shumpert…and a little Amar’e. There was a flow with that group on offense and defense. When Melo is on the floor, the movement dramatically drops.

    It has been said that the 2nd unit routinely beats the 1st unit on the Knicks during practice. I would propose D’antoni do a little experiment. Create 2 teams…with Lin on the 2nd unit..Baron Davis with the starters. I bet the 2nd unit of mostly backups would beat the 1st unit.

    And we see it in the most recent games. The 2nd unit comes in and increases the lead or gets close to regaining the lead. The 1st unit comes back and drop back further.

    I thought Melo would benefit from Lin. I was wrong. I think the team is better without Melo…because they play as a team. But Lin has a lot of responsibility here as well. He has not handled the book on him….to play Lin tough and hard and to knock him off his game by playing physical…and it is working.

  7. rodge1 - Mar 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    I’m confused. I thought Knicks fans said all they need is a PG to be a contender. I thought Baron Davis was the answer… No wait, I thought Lin was the answer. No wait, I thought Carmelo was the answer.

  8. nowillrepeat - Mar 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Maybe if Lin didn’t turn the ball over 10 times in the 4th quarter or could defend someone, he might give his team a chance to win.

    Sorry but the guy is grossly overrated

    • tubal22 - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

      I think he’s overrated, but I think the knicks can win with him. And I think you’re underrating him. He’s a good NBA starting PG. But he’s not a star or superstar.

  9. nowillrepeat - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Maybe if Lin didnt turn the ball over numberous times in the 4th quarter or could actually defend someone, he might give his team a chance to win.

    Sorry but the guy is vastly overrated

  10. lucidsportsfan - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    I don’t think Lin has the skill set and ball handling abilities to be an effective NBA point guard long term. What happened in the Boston game Sunday is a perfect example (last paragraph) http://www.lucidsportsfan.com/2012_03_04_archive.html#1020098957467717711

    • tubal22 - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM

      Quit spamming your crappy blog.

    • bearsandjazz - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

      Seriously, Stop putting a link to your stupid website. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU AND YOUR WORTHLESS DIME A DOZEN BLOG.

  11. thenmoveback - Mar 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Lin is over rated. He only played “good” when the team was missing their all stars and they had nothing to lose, and he could take 25 shots a game. He is a turnover machine. Carmelo is still the man there and the front office knows it.

    • jcarne9014 - Mar 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      “Carmelo is still the man”…Dude, what games are YOU watching?!

  12. jcarne9014 - Mar 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    All you need to know about Melo is this…

    Over the past two seasons:

    Denver: 32-25 with Melo…35-21 without Melo

    Knicks: 26-33 with Melo…34-27 without Melo

    Case closed.

    • loungefly74 - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

      zinga! great stat.

      i mentioned in an earlier comment…melo’s style of play just hurts the team.

      yeah, yeah, i know…the pundits will say, “oh…his 20.0+PPG, 5 APG, 5 RPG hurt the team?…that’s crazy talk! melo can play, blah, blah…”

      that’s when they need to take a look at stats like the one you posted. it’s the bottom line…wins and losses.

  13. md23rewlz - Mar 7, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    The Knicks have multiple problems. I don’t think it’s just “trade Anthony.” Talent inevitably wins out in basketball, and I don’t think the Knicks are a better team without him. He needs to get his game right. He played on deep deep teams in Denver that were very good, it’s not like he’s incapable of playing a team game. Just as concerning for Knick fans is the fact that New York turns the ball over more than any team in basketball. THAT, IMO, is more of a problem than whether your superstar scorer can fit in with your journeyman point guard. The seven game winning streak was a fluke to some degree. The team played great, but the team also played way over its head. Case in point, the game in New York against Dallas, where Lin and Novack just started bombing threes in the fourth quarter. They were hot, everything was going in, it was great for Knick fans I’m sure. But it was also completely and utterly unsustainable. Eight times out of ten, Dallas wins that game. People can yell for Anthony to be traded all they want, but if that actually happened, I think in about a week people would realize that it was a big big mistake.

  14. LPad - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    The Knicks problems begin and end with D’Antoni. D’Antoni is more interested in winning with his seven seconds or less offense than he is in winning period. At no time has he tweaked his system to the personnel on the team. Average coaches don’t tweak their approach, great coaches put their players in the best position to win. For example when Pat Riley came to NY, he didn’t tell Mark Jackson, Doc Rivers, Derek Harper, or Greg Anthony to be Magic Johnson. D’Antoni on the other hand has asked Chris Duhon, Toney Douglas, Ray Felton, Billups, Lin, Davis, and even Melo before Lin arrived to play the same role as Nash did in his offense. Like Kurt said the Knicks would be a lot better if D’Antoni adjusted to his personnel and actually ran more traditional offense sets just 50 percent of the time.

  15. AlohaMrHand - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Who cares as long as LaLa Anthony can be a star.

  16. writersrstupid - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    THE PROBLEMS IS WHY IN THE F ARE U STARTING LINN AN F$#$^^NG FIELD HE REALLY MESSES EVERYTHING UP CANT STAND HIM AT ALL WISH HE JUST SITS ON THE BENCH.

    D ANTONI NEED TO GET IT ALREADY START
    BARON, MELO. JR OR SHEPORD, STAT AN TYSON

    THEY NEED TO START THE GAME WITH A COMPETATIVE LINE UP N LEAVE LIN ON THE BENCH SO HE CAN COME IN AN BE LEADER WITH THE BACK UPS AN CAN START A FLOW WITH THEM BUT HELL NO NO FIELD PLEASE.

    AN TO ALL U STUPID F^%%$ SAYING MELO THIS MELO THAT SHUT THE f UP U BANWAGON FANS IF U LOOK AT IT CLOSE GAMES AGAINS MIAMI AN BOSTON EVERYTHING WAS GOOD TIL FIELDS AN LIN STARTED THEY SHT WITH THERE TURN OVERS LOOK AT IT CLOSE U BANWAGONS FANS OR FANS FROM OTHER TEAMS. NOW LET ME GET TO MELO HE IS STRAIGHT NO WORRIES BOUT HIM HE HANDLES HIS SHT IF. SO TO SOME1 SAYING MELO THIS MELO THAT GO TO THE BATHROOM AN SERIOURLY KILL UR SELF UR A WASTE OF BRAIN .

    • jcarne9014 - Mar 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM

      I’m guessing you were never a member of the debate team. No fear of being late for the MENSA picnic.

      • 1historian - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        look at his name – that’s all you need

    • md23rewlz - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      If John Nash stared at that message long enough, I think he would find the location of those missiles he was looking for…

  17. stickwitvick - Mar 7, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    NY needs a PG like Billups. Carmelo thrived in Denver because of him and I think Baron Davis is best suited to fit that role. Lin is great but his style doesn’t compliment Melo’s game.

  18. bknowledge - Mar 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Knicks offense is suffering because of bad geometry:

    It is virtually impossible to have a successful/efficient offense without 3 players that shoot at least 40% from 20 feet and out.

    Knicks offense was good during the winning streak because it had good geometry.

    ——————–

    Knicks defense is bad not just because of effort and attention, but also because of court balance. Amare, Tyson, and Carmelo spend a lot of time on offense in or near the paint. They don’t get back fast on D. If the Knicks only have 2 players getting back on D, that is not enough to stop fast breaks and early offense.

    Knicks defense was good during the winning streak because our wings/forwards were focused on defense and made sure they had at least 3 guys getting back early on D.

  19. alldonesmith - Mar 7, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Carmelo Anthony is just a fat AI who isn’t nearly as good. I don’t think ANY pro team is better with him on the floor except the terrible ones and those with elite point guards who can figure out how to set him up for shots in rhythm while denying him opportunities to isolate. Even then, his defense is a liability.

  20. bubbajaydee - Mar 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Not surprising that Knick fans have a lack of knowledge when it comes to basketball since majority of you guys have just hopped on the bandwagon within the last month. Let me get this straight, you want to trade a player who has led his team to the playoffs every single year he’s been to the NBA. A player who averages a career 25 point per game with only 19 shots attempted for his career over Jeremy Lin? With or without Melo Lin is a subpar player who can’t play one on one defense; he can’t dribble the ball, and has average passing skills. The Knicks beat teams that they probably would’ve beat before Lin was a starter with the exception of the Mavericks. Remember the Lakers are horrible on the road losing to the Pistons and Wizards just this week. Last time Knicks had team chemistry was at the end of the previous season because Billups was the point guard. Melo excels with good point play. Look at his stats with Andre Miller and Chauncey Billups. Lin is nowhere close to them.

    KNICKS fans are just complete idiots. Watch a real team play up north. Go Celtics.

  21. jimeejohnson - Mar 9, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    I think you’re lying. Spike Lee, at least, is not an idiot! Without a real Center, the Celtics can’t compete for a championship, while the Lakers can. I like the Celtics, but the Knicks are finally competitive. The Celtics disposed of the Knicks easily last post-season, but this season’s games have been competitive, at least. Billups, by the way, is done for this season with the same injury he had in NY. I wouldn’t want him in Boston even though he is not a temperamental, inconsistent, jerk who can’t hit a jumper like Rondo. Celtics were embarrassed by the 76ers last night, and I do mean embarrassed. Like the Red Sox and even the Patriots (who at least got to play for a championship), the Celtics are overrated.

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