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Lakers, Magic not talking Dwight Howard trade; Kobe is talking to him

Jan 20, 2012, 9:04 AM EDT

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Only one thing — a potential Dwight Howard trade to the Lakers — is going to get talked about more than how lost the Lakers offense looks in the next 24 hours. With Los Angeles headed into Orlando for a Friday showdown, let’s do a trade update:

There isn’t one. The two sides are not talking. But Howard and Kobe Bryant are talking. So reports the Los Angeles Times.

The Lakers and Orlando haven’t had trade talks in “a while,” according to a person familiar with the teams’ thinking, putting a damper on proponents of a Bynum-for-Howard deal…. The trade deadline isn’t until March 15, but for now there’s no momentum on a deal between the Lakers and Magic.

As we have been saying for some time now, Orlando is still looking for ways to keep Howard in house, and their 10-3 start has fueled that hope. It’s not likely to work — unless you think this Ryan Anderson led surge can take them deep into the playoffs — but the Magic are not going to move Howard before the All-Star Game (Feb. 26) and maybe not after.

But while their teams may not be talking, Kobe and Howard are, the Times adds.

Kobe Bryant has had at least one in-depth phone conversation with Howard recently, even discussing how Howard might fit in with the Lakers’ scheme.

One person with knowledge of the conversation said Howard came away feeling as if he wouldn’t be the Lakers’ top option, for obvious reasons. It’s Bryant’s team.

Any Lakers package for Howard would be centered around Andrew Bynum, with other parts and picks likely. The Lakers will not give up Pau Gasol and Bynum.

Still that may be better than the Magic’s other options. The Nets offer centers around Brook Lopez and picks, but Howard is reportedly soured on that as the Nets are not a playoff team this season (and even a Howard trade would not be in time to pull them into the top eight in the East). The Dallas Mavericks are on Howard’s list but they don’t have good trade assets either, that likely would be an off-season move if it were to happen. The Clippers popped up as a rumor lately but a package based around D’Andre Jordan and Mo Williams is less attractive than the Nets offer.

Maybe another suitor will jump in with a “rent-a-Howard” offer the Magic like (a team where Howard may not sign an extension that is willing to take the risk). Or, maybe Orlando just keeps him.

  1. silk32 - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Yep. That confirms it. Kobe is the best player in the league. He came into the NBA with Shaq (in his prime) on his team. When Shaq left Kobe threatened to leave until the Lakers received a “gift” in Pau Gasol. Now that he can’t win with Gasol and Bynum, Kobe is making overtures to Howard to come to L.A. Yeah, that’s a great player for you. He cannot win unless his team has more talent than everyone else.

    Kobe = the “Pat Riley” of players. If he has more talent then you then he’s a “great player.” If not then he looks to jump to another situation.

    • chargerdillon - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:53 AM

      He has 5 rings, he knows what it takes to get the job done. I’ll take Kobe’s word over yours.

      • trueballs - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM

        only 2 finals MVPs though…He was the second best player for 3 rings…and had the best frontcourt (odom,bynum, gasol) in the league for the other two. Now he needs the new dominant big man.

    • deadeyedesign23 - Jan 20, 2012 at 12:56 PM

      He can’t win with Gasol and Bynum? He has. Twice.

      • dirtydavis - Jan 20, 2012 at 1:53 PM

        @ Trueballs.. Get you fact straight son!!! Kobe was the MVP during the series between Kings and Spurs. Those two team were a challenge as oppose to Nets or the pacers.

    • stayhigh_247 - Jan 20, 2012 at 4:47 PM

      and how many rings does your team have? let me guess you wouldn’t want Kobe on your team, right? In the history of sports no team has won with only one star, lay off the hatorade dude…

    • stayhigh_247 - Jan 20, 2012 at 4:49 PM

      @ trueballs
      and how many mvps and championship rings does your guy/team have? you sound ridiculous!

  2. nazraq - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:24 AM

    That’s the most ignorant comment ever, don’t let your personal feeling for someone dimenish what they do on the court.
    KOBE is a shadow of himself right now, but he will go down as the 3rd best player in nba history when he retires.

    • somekat - Jan 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM

      Without even thinking about it, he doesn’t crack the top 5 (Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird are all MUCH better). He is a great palyer, but 3rd best ever? Not even close

      He’s a great player, one of the best of his generation (I’d put him at the top of his generation), but that does not make him top 3 all time

      • stayhigh_247 - Jan 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM

        what are you puffing over there? Kobe could have played in any one of those eras and still dominated. Think about it like this, the level of competition in Kobes era is far superior to the days of Wilt & Kareem. Guys are faster, bigger, stronger now than back then, so yes a top 3 ranking overall is not that far fetched. Imagine Lebron hooping in 1966, son would be league MVP 10 years str8, same thing for Kobe..stop hating it’s not becoming..

  3. rosloe62 - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM

    Howard, why not take the Magic on your shoulders and be that guy! What happened to the NBA where some great players can’t help other teammates become great? This further supports the argument that Jordan was the greatest ever player and Kobe isn’t as close as one would think!

    • stayhigh_247 - Jan 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM

      you’re partially correct. I love MJ, but he wouldn’t have a 6 pack of rings if not for #33 Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson. I think guys get caught up in nostalgia and forget about reality. MJ didn’t win jack without Scotie and Phil, so yeah he’s the greatest player on the planet but he didn’t do it alone. I agree Dwight should stay put and ballout. But he knows whats really going on with that team moreso than any of us. Obviously they’re not doing something right and dude wants out. Think of all those years KG wasted in Minnesota, how many rings could he have by now had he forced a trade to LA or Chicago? They need to go get Phil Jackson, I bet Dwight would unpack immediately. They need to do something like that if they intend on keeping him. But it looks like its pretty much a wrap…

  4. silk32 - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:31 AM

    @Nazraq My statements are clear facts. If he was such a great player he would not need Howard. If you want to respond to the facts then do so. Don’t let your emotions and personal feelings cloud your comments.

  5. acdc363 - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM

    Yeah kobe is a great player and he will be in the same conversation as jordan when he retires but I’ll always question if he deserves to be. Would kobe really have 6 rings if he didn’t have Shaq, Gasol and Bynum? I don’t think so.

    • jizzojames - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:13 AM

      Question? Is Scottie Pippen not one of the 50 greatest players of all time? Was he not a 7 time all-star? Was he not a teriffic defender, facilitator, and point forward? Was he not one of the best compliments to a player ever known in history. Even today folks ask “Who’s Derrick Rose’s Scottie Pippen”, or out of Lebron and Wade “Who is going to be Scottie”? No Kobe probably wouldn’t have 5 rings w/o Shaq, Bynum or Pau but Mike wouldn’t have had 6 w/o Pippen. Not in a Bulls uniform that is. These are opinions anyway. We’ll never know because we can’t go back in time. My last question is does it really matter?

      • chargerdillon - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        Be careful dude….everybody knows Michael Jordan did it all on his own. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

        Jordan won 6 rings playing 1 vs 5 basketball EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!

        You can look at all those horrible players on the Bulls and especially that horrible coach they had. Everybody knows that’s why Jordan is so great, because Kobe and every other champion had help, but not Jordan, nope just him and all his Space Jam cartoon friends on the court winning with him.

        This is why I hate the bulls and I will always hate Jordan. They had one of the greatest dynasty teams IN ANY SPORT…..but 1 guy gets the recognition.

    • stayhigh_247 - Jan 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      would Magic have 5 rings with Coop, Kareem, & Worthy? Would Bird have rings without Parish, McKale, Ainge? cmon dude, you gotta come better than that! Guys hate Kobe because of who they perceive him to be whether its warranted or not. But if you’re talking about on the court activity, how can you hate on the Black Mamba?

    • 00maltliquor - Jan 21, 2012 at 2:05 AM

      @ acdc363

      That’s gotta be the most ignorant comment I have ever read here on PBT for the 2 years I’ve been coming to this site.

      Congratulations.

  6. jizzojames - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    @silk32

    What facts do you have that support your comments? Because Kobe played on some great teams and now the fact that he is vying to add more talent to a roster to make another title run doesn’t make him lesser of a great player it simply makes him a smart player. At 33 not a lot of athletes can average 30+ points per game, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists all while shooting around 44% which isn’t bad. One player does come to mind: MICHAEL JORDAN. All players who want to win talk to other players about the possibilities of playing together for one common goal.. To WIN!! The Celtics did it, and Heat are doing it and Kobe one of the best players in history is doing it. And another thing, please stop comparing Kobe to Mike and taking it out of context. The play on the court is comparable, outside of the courts leave it alone.

  7. hoytdadd64 - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    @silk32 where are the clear facts you are talking about, first of all Shaq was not on the team when Kobe first came in the league, Shaq came after Kobe. And Shaq wasn’t able to win rings without another dominant player on his team. Firts Kobe then Wade. Second when Kobe was talking about leaving it was cause he didn’t feel like the front office was doing enough to put a championship TEAM together. And at that time it didn’t appear like they were. Yes they got a gift with Gasol but also Fisher was able to return which really helped out as much or more then getting Gasol. Name one championship contender that doesn’t have multiple stars on their roster. For that matter name one championship team from the past that had only one star player. Just cause Kobe wants to see the TEAM get better doesn’t take away from the fact that he is easilyy on of the top 25-50 players of all time. And I think it’s a compliment to compare Kobe to Pat Riley, that dude knows how to put together championship TEAMS!!!

    • somekat - Jan 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      although the first posters comment was a bit, don’t go crazy. Shaq was more dominant in his prime than anyone since Wilt, and Wade was not a “dominant” player his rookie year. He was a good player, it’s not the same thing

      • efueshe - Jan 22, 2012 at 5:45 PM

        What are you talking about? Dwyane Wade was in his 3rd year and won the Finals MVP when they won it all so obviously you need to brush up on your basketball history… smh

  8. silk32 - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:17 AM

    @Jizzojames Did you just imply Shaq was a “complementary” player? He led a very young Magic team to the NBA finals prior to even going to L.A. and led Miami to a ‘chip after leaving L.A.

    • jizzojames - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM

      silk32

      Who referred to Shaq as a” complementary” player? My dude please stop. You’re not making any sense. EVERY TEAM Shaq played on he had a great cast. Sure he may have been the best player on two of the teams that he took to the finals (Dwyane Wade was better on the Heat roster) but none of those teams were bad teams. On the Magic team he had Penny, Nick Andersen who at the time was the Magic’s all time point leader, D3 plus Horace Grant who was a GREAT rebounder, and the list goes on and on! And let’s not mention the Lakers coached by a very unique Phil Jackson. Shaq had help, Kobe had/has help MICHAEL JORDAN had HELP!! Shaq eventually turned into a “complementary” player as most stars past their prime do. If you’re gonna talk sports talk sports, but make sense man.

      • somekat - Jan 20, 2012 at 1:00 PM

        Again, like I told the last guy, don’t go crazy. Wade was a good player his rookie (title) year, not a dominant player. He certainly was not the main guy on that team, it was 100% about shaq.

        Besides, with the way defenses collapsed on shaq back then, if you were a guard and didn’t have ridiculous number from all the open shots you were getting, you were terrible.

  9. silk32 - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:23 AM

    @hoytdadd64 I think Shakespeare would say “Thy protest too much.”

  10. albie23 - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    @hoytdadd…learn your facts! Kobe’ rookie season was Shaq’s first year as a Laker. Shaq was on a dominant team before he became a Laker, he was on a young, hungry & talented Magic team that would have done great had he stayed put. He & Penny Hardaway were good together but they lacked experience and played in the same conference as MJ & the Mighty Bulls!
    Pleeeeeeease get your facts straight if u are a fan…..PLEEEEEASE!!

  11. silk32 - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    I have my facts straight. What they’re saying about Kobe, they said the same thing about Penny – “he’s the straw that stirs the Magic.” Whereever Shaq went he made others (Penny, Kobe, Dwyane Wade) better.

    Three moments sum up Kobe’s entire career:

    (i) His rookie year when they were bounced by the Utah Jazz, in that final play-off game instead of passing the ball into Shaq like he was supposed to, he tried to take the last shot and put up an airball. The play was designed to get the ball to Shaq, the established All-star and best player on the team. However, the 18 yr old HS ball player who did not know his place and tried to be “the man.”

    (ii) When Shaq left and Kobe was finally “the man,” he cried about leaving L.A. for a better situation when he realized he could not carry the team.

    (iii) The 2012 L.A. Lakers are the most talented team in the league. They have two 7-footers who can play. The rest of the teams are lucky if they have one. Yet Kobe is calling Dwight Howard for help! Are you kidding me? Who on the list of all-time greats were calling other All-Stars for help like they were playing AAU? Again Kobe shows his selfishness! If he really wanted to “upgrade” the Lakers he would ask Mitch Kupchak to trade him for Lebron.

    • mytthor - Jan 20, 2012 at 9:41 PM

      Only an absolute nincompoop thinks the ’12 lakers are the most talented team in the league. They start 1 player who should be retired and one who should be an 8th man.

  12. skinzfan21 - Jan 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    @ albie23 thanks for clearing that up for those who claim to be fans! Get your facts straight before commenting…….as for Kobe, I’ve always felt that he only excelled when he had superior talent around him! I too felt it was odd how everyone around the league and the media assumes Kobe should be untitled to having great talent around him, isn’t it the “greats” who are supposed to make their teammates better?? I’ll always remember Kobe for what he showed himself to be without Shaq prior to the Gasol (robbery) trade! He had a decent team with Caron Butler and Odom but couldn’t uplift his team……..and now that Gasol and Bynum dont look to be good enough, the Lakers are right back at it and are trying to set Kobe up with another teammate with supreme talent

  13. skinzfan21 - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    ………intitled

  14. skinzfan21 - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    ………..entitled! Excuse the auto speller

  15. livingsacrifice86 - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    The magic are really in a tough position…besides Bynum, who on the lakers has promise to them? They are also going to want to unload hedo and his ridiculous contract. But what can they get back, in players, that matches up to Howard and hedo? I think the only team that really has any assets that are worth it would be the clippers, but magic will ask for griffin. Am I the only one that gets frustrated with these “superstars” that are holding their teams at gunpoint because they want to “win” but won’t suck it up, be a man and work hard for the franchise that invested in them?

  16. mluck14 - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    MJ is the greatest of all time making it impossible for Kobe to get out of his shadow.. Before MJ had Phil and Scottie he was a scorer 37 points a game in the mid 80s. At the time people thought he would never win a title because he was a volume scorer like Kobe. Championships were won by teams with a dominant center (Russell, Kareem, Chamberlain, Mikan). Obviously not every title. MJ changed that with the help of Phil Jackson, the triangle, Scottie, and shooters like Kerr. If MJ didn’t have those pieces his legacy may be similar to Kobe’s.

  17. jagwar73 - Jan 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    @Chargerdillon don’t forget to give Jordan’s centers some love along with his Space Jam buddies. I believe that list includes but is not limited to Bill Cartwright, Bill Winnington, Luc Longley, and Will Perdue. Who did Kobe have? Some guy named Shaq, Bynum, and a crafty, skilled 7 ft Spaniard that could slide over to the middle if need be. Oh yeah, he was traded to the Lakers from Memphis by one of the top Lakers of all time: Jerry West! (What a joke) I still argue Kobe wouldn’t have won numbers four or five without Gasol averaging that 20+/10+. He was dominant, go back and look at the games. The caliber of players to play with these two are not even close and Shaq and Kobe should have won every year they played together. I still can’t believe they didn’t. Kobe is very good, just not nearly as great as MJ.

    • dixx8ball - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:03 PM

      At this point in his career, with the length of time that he has played at All Star level including what he’s already done this season with the 4 straight 40 point games in this his 15th season is a feat that few have ever and few ever will accomplish in their career, and by the way he’s done it before. He is without a doubt the best player in his era. And the one that everyone refers to as the GREATEST has himself even said that Kobe is the only player that should be compared to him. If Kobe wins another one or two championships theirs no way he’s not considered the best player ever. Guys like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem have a different way of domination, they were blessed with being athletic in a freakishly big body. Guys without the height such as Kobe and Jordan have to be a whole lot more crafty with how they create opportunities for themselves.

      Magic has been and will always be my favorite player of all time, but to compare him, Kareem, Bird to the likes of Jordan or Kobe is crazy. They were all great players in their time, but there is no argument that Jordan and Kobe are better. And just for clarification I am and always will be a Jordan hater, but the guy and crazy skills.

      The other people talking smack on Kobe because he wants to make his team better are idiots. There are very, very few teams that won championships that didn’t have multiple stars on them. Magic, Kareem, Worthy—Bird, McHale, Johnson—-Jordan, Pippen, Rodman—Duncan, Robinson—-Isiah Thomas, Dumars— etc etc It’s been proven one superstar can only get you so far ie Lebron and Allen Iverson…

      So after all that when my superstarless 76ers win it this year I can come back on here and tell ya all about the team with no superstar that won….lol

      Doesn’t hurt to dream…

    • mytthor - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM

      Just would like to point out that Gasol has averaged 20 points twice in the regular season, and twice in the playoffs, and neither time was with LA. He was close, but when you say 20+ you make it sound like 20-25, when it was really 19.

      Also would like to point out that Jerry West was not the GM of the Grizzlies when they traded Pau Gasol to the Lakers.

      Of course if you list the weakest position on the Bulls championship teams against the 2nd strongest on the Lakers that definitely proves something! Especially when you throw in the 2nd and 3rd stringers! You want to play with forwards? How about Scottie Pippen (best perimeter defender ever, no question they don’t win the first title without his D on Magic), Dennis Rodman (oh wow, another hall of famer! weird) Toni Kukoc (who averaged 19 points per game one year, so I get to call him a dominant 20+ ppg scorer, right?), Horace Grant in his prime (15/10 out of your third best player? not too bad), and we match them up against Rick Fox, Robert Horry, and the over the hill versions of Glen Rice, Ho Grant, and AC Green. Don’t forget about Slava Medvedenko and Mark Madsen, since we’re listing the scrubs. Oh, and here’s another scrub you may not remember, Samaki Walker? He STARTED 63 GAMES for the 01-02 championship team.

      Want to do point guards? Old Ron Harper vs Young Ron Harper – not too tough to decide there. BJ Armstrong and Steve Kerr or Derek Fisher?

      Kobe isn’t as great as Michael, but MJ won with MORE talent; not less.

  18. legacyar - Jan 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    I have a question for all you Kobe haters? What team do you like that has actually won a championship? The Heat? Lebron hasn’t won a championship, he couldn’t “by himself” in Cleveland and he couldn’t last year with All-Stars Bosh and Wade. The truth is, no one can win a championship by themselves. MJ had Scottie and then Scottie and Rodman. Tim Duncan had David Robinson and then Parker and Ginobilli. Mavs had Dirk, Chandler, Kidd, and Terry. Shaq had Kobe and then Wade. You can’t tell me that anyone of those stars on those teams could have done it without the others. Its not possible.

    • trueballs - Jan 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

      2004 Pistons.

  19. peteycroubs - Jan 20, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    ChargerDillon: Of ALL TEAMS, the bulls were not a 1 vs 5 team! I miss 90s ball, because the NBA has become lazy. I remember times guys got knocked the F*** out if they tried to drive from the 3-line down the lane for a dunk. Now, 4 guys stare at the player. However, back to the Bulls.

    The bulls were built around Jordan, but he didnt hog. Steve Kerr was there for the open three. He always stayed behind Jordan. Jordan would drive, Kerr would be as his 6 o clock for his dish. Pippen/ Kukoc was his secondary scorer. Always cut at the elbow of the key for the turn around. Longley big presence for passes down low for resets, rarely took it. Rodman there for second chances (rebound, reset). Jordan had all this at his disposal! It was a finally tuned machine. I know this because I

  20. aboogy123456 - Jan 20, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Pistons didn’t have a SUPERstar, but they had a top 5 player at each position, arguably 4 all stars played on that team. That’s very hard to replicate, it’s not like they were scrubs.

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