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Video report: Knicks willing to trade Stoudemire to rent Howard

Jan 6, 2012, 10:40 AM EDT

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The Knicks have opened talks that would send Amare Stoudemire to Orlando in a swap to rent Dwight Howard, reports Donny Marshall — former NBA player and current CSNNE reporter — on NBC SportsTalk Thursday. In the video above the talk of the trade starts at the 3:30 mark.

There are a whole lot of questions around this one. Starting with, the Knicks are not one of the teams on Howard’s list where he said he would sign an extension (Nets, Lakers, Mavericks and Magic). If they get him, the Knicks would essentially risk just renting him because Howard could opt out at the end of the season and leave with the Knicks getting no compensation. Clearly, if they got him they think they could get him to change his mind and sign long term.

Thing is the Knicks already have a good center — they just signed Tyson Chandler to a four-year, $58 million deal. Is the plan to ship Chandler out, too? Trade him to Orlando for the Hedo Turkoglu deal? Because the cost of keeping Howard (who will get a new max deal) and Chandler would put the Knicks way into the new, increasingly stiff luxury tax.

Would the Knicks really ship out Stoudemire, the guy who came in to inspire the fan base after the Knicks missed on LeBron James? That just seems cold.

This report comes just after we heard the Warriors are aggressively going after Howard as a rental.

Two things. First, if and when the Magic do decide to seriously entertain offers for Howard there will be bids from 29 other teams. He’s the best center walking the planet, a franchise anchor, you’d be foolish not to at least take a shot.

Second, if I were the Magic and were trying to get better offers out of the Nets and Lakers, I would be leaking all kinds of “hey, team X wants to give us all this just to rent Howard” rumors in an effort to drive up the price. I have no doubt Marshall heard this from a reliable source, I’m just saying this plays into the Magic’s hands. When you hear NBA rumors, think about who benefits from having that information public, it gives everything a different perspective.

  1. beagle11 - Jan 6, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    I have no confidence in the Knicks management anymore. Grunwald seems to be a Dolan puppet.

    • brooklynbulls - Jan 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      Does this mean you had faith in Knicks management before?

      • beagle11 - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        Yeah for a short period of time under Walsh until Dolan castrated him on the Melo trade.

    • goforthanddie - Jan 6, 2012 at 10:06 PM

      Umm, everyone who isn’t the owner is a puppet.

    • cantonbound13 - Jan 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

      Atleast Isiah is gone.

  2. steelyres211 - Jan 6, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Pretty messed up, since Amare was willing to sign a max deal when the knicks were garbage and he made them relevant again.

    • protectthishouse54 - Jan 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM

      Willing to sign a max deal to play in NY? Oh wow, what a saint! Maybe if he was willing to play a lick of defense, he wouldn’t be on the trading block.

    • drobstad - Jan 6, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      People need to understand that nobody was willing to give Stoudamire a max contract that soon off of a reconstructive knee surgery so lets stop acting like the Knicks would be acting cold by trading him when they were the only ones who gave him a shot w/ a max deal. Trading anybody in the league for Howard is a no brainer because he is the best center since Hakeem Olajuwon.

      • thatboi901 - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:35 PM

        @drobstad, when you as bad and irrelevant as the knicks was of course you have to over pay for players. Knicks trade Amere and they will greatly hinder their chances of ever getting another big time FA

    • bparmalee - Jan 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM

      I wouldnt get too worried….this doesnt sound very credible to me. The only way the Knicks make this deal is is Carmelo has said he doesnt want Amare there anymore. Just look at it this way…if they trade for Howard and Hedo.. then either they have to send Tyson Chandler back in the deal or you have two guys clogging the lane that basically do the samething (though Tyson is a poor poor version). Would Orlando want Tyson? A guy that quit on the Bobcats and thought he signed to be in New York.. not Orlando. To me this sounds like the Magic try to squeeze some team they are close to a deal with.

    • goforthanddie - Jan 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM

      “Willing to sign a max deal”
      Wowzers, what a sacrifice!

  3. 1972wasalongtimeago - Jan 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    I’m sure the Magic would jump at the chance to trade Dwight Howard for Amare’s knees for the low, low price of 100 million dollars or so over the next 5 years

  4. drobstad - Jan 6, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    While STAT is not fair compensation for Howard because Howard is way better/healthier/younger etc… The deal could make sense though due to the fact that the Magic will lose Howard no matter what they do. STAT is at least under contract for the next 3 years and they could package howard with Turkoglu. The Magic would then shed salary, get rid of a bad contract and acquire a superstar who was an MVP candidate before he had to share the Garden with Melo. If they wanted the Knicks would probably even throw in a fields or Shumpert (who I would be devastated to lose).

  5. isaiahforreal - Jan 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    I’d hate to see Amar’e go but him and Melo just don’t seem to mesh as well as I thought they would

    • LPad - Jan 6, 2012 at 12:38 PM

      I think Amare’s and Melo’s meshing problem has more to do with coaching than the players themselves. This Amare’s playing the “stretch 4” and running the majority of the pick and rolls with Chandler is just nonsense based on D’Antoni’s need to have four 3PT shooters on the court at all times. Amare’s been one of the best (if not the best) pick and roll bigs in the league his entire career, who does each aspect of the pick and roll well (roll, slip, and pop). But because Chandler can’t shoot Amare’s standing out at the 3PT line like Ryan Anderson. Couple this with the extremely bad point guard play from Douglas and no wonder the Knicks look bad.

      • Mr. Wright 212 - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:37 PM

        It has little to do with coaching. Bam Bam thinks he’s Reggie Miller now. We don’t need him replicating what Melo does. GET INTO THE LANE AND STOP SHOOTING CATCH-AND-SHOOT 19 FOOTERS AND LAUNCHING 3’s MY GOD.

  6. b7p19 - Jan 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Oh boy. Now you’re really going to get the Knicks fans all riled up. Can you imagine two HOFers like Howard and Shumpert on the same team?

    • makjak2 - Jan 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

      As a Knicks fan, I don’t get other Knicks fans obsession with Shump. He’s nice, he brings energy and scoring… as if they need more scoring.

  7. asublimeday - Jan 6, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    If youre the Knicks, you have to look at the bulls heat and celtics. Notice a trend? Elite guard play. Last I checked, Howard doesn’t defend rose. Way to figure out a way to neutralize the powerhouse that is johkim Noah. You’re headed to the finals for sure!

    • beagle11 - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM

      Why do you have to look at the Bulls, Heat and Celtics? None of the teams you’ve just mentioned won the championship last year. The Mavs, Lakers, Celtics, Spurs and Heat of old all had a combination of length and clutch perimeter players. I’m pretty sure Derek Rose ( or lebron or Dwade) would have a tough time getting to the rack if Chandler and Howard are roaming the court Your point is moot. May God have mercy on your soul.

  8. willardj - Jan 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    This is a really poor decision by Knicks management. There’s almost zero chance that the Magic would accept any offer with Stoudemire as the main piece. This will only alienate Stoudemire and create more of a sense of panic within the Knicks team.

  9. mhalt99 - Jan 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    The Knicks are driving up the price of Howard for the Nets. The Nets bragged how they drove up the Mello price for the Knicks and talked rex ryan style about how much they hated the Knicks.

  10. goforthanddie - Jan 6, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    They could trade Stoudemire and Mr. Vasquez and still come put ahead.

  11. loungefly74 - Jan 6, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    could just be “smoke n’ mirrors” to drive up Howard’s value as suggested in the article. if it is true, man, what a huge gamble by the knicks.

    anything crazy the knicks do…all signs point to…Isiah Thomas! Yes! Zeke is behind this possible trade! the secret cult-like pact he made with Detroit years ago…to always sabotage the knick’s efforts is still paying dividends. hehe…okay, i kid but its fun just bringing up zeke’s name.

  12. a185 - Jan 6, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Why Trade anyone the season is still early… the Heat got off to a bad start last season and picked things up midway through. Melo and STAT never had a full season or training camp so they’re still learning each other as well as Chandler. The offense isn’t the problem, unless Douglas is jacking 3s, the problem is defense and they’re couch doesn’t have good defensive schemes or strategies. More so than anything they need time together… making a trade makes the learning curve harder. And Melo as point forward is stupid… or not logical, he’s not LeBron. There should be more pick and rolls with STAT and Bibby cause it’s similar to C Webb and Bibby and that combo almost made the finals or pick and rolls with STAT and Melo. It’s still early so I’m not too worried… they could go on a 10 game winning streak last season the Knicks started slow.

    • goforthanddie - Jan 6, 2012 at 10:08 PM

      Why trade? Two words: Dwight Howard.

  13. rosloe62 - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Welcome to the Knicks, the land of high profile and bad decisions.

  14. lakerluver - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    I would do that deal ASAP!! The Knicks will NEVER, EVER win a title with Amare and Carmelo as cornerstones of the team. They’re both offense first players who don’t focus enough in defense. Howard, with his defense, would change the mentality in NY. Melo and Howard would be a tandem to be reckoned with. The Knicks would still need another scorer but they would be much closer to a title contending team than they are now.

  15. lakerluver - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    DROBSTAD, have you ever heard of Shaq O’Neil?! Howard may be a better athlete than Shaq but Shaq’s by far the best center since Hakeem.

  16. lakerluver - Jan 6, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    Btw, I also think there’s a good chance Howard would sign long-term with the Knicks.

  17. blackholiday - Jan 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    I would trade melo. Amare is their best player.

  18. cap1378 - Jan 6, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Get rid of dantoni and get a defense minded coach. Move Amare and Chandler to Orlando for Howard only if there’s enough cap space to pick up Deron Williams in the off season. Championship 2013!!!!

  19. dysraw1 - Jan 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    its amazing to me how greedy an ruthless people can be, even in the simple game of b-ball. the knicks have some nice pieces right now [1 of which they sold their souls for] why not build around what we have.

  20. cantonbound13 - Jan 7, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    Howard wants to play for the Lakers & they clearly have the most to offer Orlando. I’m just a realistic Knick fan. Our best hope is if Baron Davis comes back & plays at a high level. We need Shumpert to be a spark off the bench & most importantly we need this team to play solid team defense.

  21. cluelessdufus - Jan 7, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    first off this isnt a team that howard wants to go to but this is a team that can give what the magic want but if it does 2 things have to happen first they want to rent howard they need to sign a contract with howard if the deal is worth it and stoudamire himself is not good enough to send howard to the knicks either you bail chandler or a couple first round picks

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