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Ray Allen thinks David West made a mistake choosing Indy

Dec 20, 2011, 12:02 PM EDT

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David West is a Pacer, a big pickup for an Indiana team that barely scrapped into the playoffs last year. They picked up an All-Star power forward who is as good a pick-and-pop big as there is in the game.

But West was almost a Celtic and would have been key to their run at a ring with the big three.

In the end, West chose two years, $20 million from the Pacers over three years, $29 million from the Celtics (it was a complex sign-and-trade that got slowed down because the Hornets didn’t want Jermaine O’Neal back, and we can’t blame them). Ray Allen doesn’t get West’s choice and spoke his mind to ESPNBoston.com.

“Once it got down to the end, I think his ego kicked back in,” Allen said. “He wanted the dollars. I guess it comes down to ‘What is a championship worth to you?’

“Think of all the guys who have made $20 million and could be considered one of the best ever, but they get chided because they never won. We [the Big Three] all had to do less when we won. We’re still taking less to make it work. But it’s worth it. No one can ever say to KG, Paul or me, ‘You guys never got your ring.'”

We don’t know what went into West’s decision — money, lifestyle, that he saw the Pacers as a team with potential down the line. But to call out a guy’s championship heart is pretty harsh.

And as Tom Ziller reminds us, Allen didn’t take less money to come to Boston, he was in the middle of a five-year deal and made $16 million in 2008. He signed an extension at $10 million per.

Ray Allen has just reached the cranky old man phase of his career and is holding nothing back.

  1. cakemixa - Dec 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    Seems unnecessary for Ray Allen to call him out like that. Is he just bitter? Not to mention, the reason he didn’t go to the Celtics was because they couldn’t afford him without a S&T with the Hornets.

  2. sikkcaden - Dec 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM

    Everyone should quit overlooking the Pacers. They are potentially 12 players deep with some really talented young talent. Ray Allen should be careful, because Indiana is a team that could upset a weak front-court team of dinosaurs in the playoffs ala Memphis V. San Antonio last year.

  3. b7p19 - Dec 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    Ray sounds jealous.

  4. mytthor - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:01 PM

    Bad news, Ray. Your math skills are waning, even if you’re jumper’s still on point. And your season predicting skills are hurting, too; because the Pacers have as much chance of winning a ring this year as the Celts do.

  5. dirtydavis - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

    Who gives two Sh*ts what this aging clown has to say..

    • missmomo1 - Dec 20, 2011 at 6:00 PM

      Apparently u do since you’ve made a comment u ape.

      • dirtydavis - Dec 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM

        Excuse me, miss… I think is time to change you’re tampon. I can care less what this brick shooting clown has to say/think about another player choosing to play for another team. I happen to log in this website out of boredom.

      • africanballer - Dec 21, 2011 at 9:18 AM

        Hahaha i like this this is good

      • khuxford - Dec 21, 2011 at 9:54 AM

        Dirty, the proper response is “couldn’t care less”. If you can care less, that means you care to some degree about what he said…confirming what Miss said.

  6. therealhtj - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:40 PM

    I’m pretty sure none of those 3 clowns took a penny less to join, or in Pierce’s case, stay with the Celts. Yeah, Pierce and Allen are taking less than max now (not that they could’ve fetched more on the open marktet), but they’re still keeping the Celts in cap purgatory until they’re off the books.

    I love these superstars whining about how they stayed with their small market teams until leaving much later in their careers to join a contender. They had every opportunity to leave much sooner. They could’ve played out their rookie contracts, signed a 1-year qualifying offer, then been a free agent after 5 years. But of course they don’t. They sign the biggest, fattest extension they’re able to sign, put they’re teams in a cap-crunch from there on out, and then force their way to the team of their choosing via trade and thus preserving their monster guaranteed contracts. The new “Rose Rule” is only going to make it worse.

    I thought Blake Griffin might’ve been the first such star to bail on his team without signing that first mega extension, but the addition of CP3 may lead him to stay after all. Can’t say for sure yet because if anyone can screw it all up, it’s Donald Sterling.

  7. bmorehomeofthewire - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM

    Ray is dead on to something.. As much as the player hater bitch about how much today’s NBA players make, he’s stating that facts that it is more important to be a Champion than to be the highest paid player, cause it not just the individual who benefits but the entire team.. Kudos to you Ray…

    • b7p19 - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:53 PM

      Could be that, ooooorrrrr it could be that he’s pissed that West dissed him for the Pacers.

    • somekat - Dec 20, 2011 at 3:00 PM

      Allen is a old version of LeBron. “you should want to play with us because….hey, it’s me!”
      A guy doesn’t want to join a team taht many, legitimately, think is past it’s championship window. They have no bench, and a old starting 5, not a good mix. Why would West want to go there for an outside chance at a title (about the same as in Indy with him there, IMO), just to be stuck there solo in 2-3 years when they retire?

      The only think Allen is “on” is haterade

  8. gpatrick15 - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:52 PM

    In Indiana he’d start and play a bigger role on an up and coming team. Unless the Celtics were gonna put him or KG at center, then West would have been the 6th man and shadowed by the Big 3 and Rondo.

  9. mornelithe - Dec 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM

    Not really sure if this particular situation applies, but Allen is making a valid point regarding certain player moves throughout all leagues. Money quite often trumps the goal of winning championships. Hard to say if this situation qualifies, since we have no way of knowing what West’s reasoning was, unless he speaks on it himself. But, it’s undeniable that players have moved in similar fashion in the past.

    • somekat - Dec 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM

      Wow, so what everyone should do is play out their contracts, then run to the team that is most likely going to be in the finals next year?

      You are definitely a NBA fan!!

      A true competitor would want to win on HIS team, not to piggy back on a real star’s laurels

  10. gpatrick15 - Dec 20, 2011 at 2:12 PM

    Not everyone wants to be a Celtic, Ray.

  11. gpatrick15 - Dec 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    Until the Celtics fix the gaping hole at center (that they intentionally created), they won’t be contending for a title any time soon, especially not this shortened season.

  12. goforthanddie - Dec 20, 2011 at 2:29 PM

    It’s not his fault Ray, he got a look at your roster first :-\

    • rca26 - Dec 20, 2011 at 3:55 PM

      For real. Just take a look at those rosters and tell me which team is going to be better over the next 3 years…

  13. bozosforall - Dec 20, 2011 at 3:48 PM

    Ray Allen…a perfect representative of the Celtic fan base…a whiny crybaby.

  14. sfm073 - Dec 20, 2011 at 4:56 PM

    Not sure how taking $9 million dollars less constitutes as leaving for money.

  15. bparmalee - Dec 20, 2011 at 5:18 PM

    As a Pacers fan it was nice to see us get a free agent for once. I think.. considering their age and injury situations… its a stretch to call the Celtics contenders. That window has closed. Sure we may only be a 7th or 8th seed playoff team but in the end neither my Pacers or Celtics will be winning anything that matters.

  16. missmomo1 - Dec 20, 2011 at 5:54 PM

    Ray spoke nothing but the truth and I’m glad he called him out. He’s been in the league long enough to know that there’s plenty of guys who’d rather get paid more than win a championship.
    U sound like an idiot Kurt. You’re telling us that Ray couldn’t get paid more somewhere else before he joined the Celtics? Get outta here with that mess. You know what, Go find a corner and have a seat and while ur at it u should just quit writing all together.

    • dirtydavis - Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM

      How old is Ray again??? How much was he getting paid when he got traded to the celtics? How much would offer a player who recently had surgeries on both knees?

  17. chicagofan - Dec 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM

    Ray Ray is right,there are few opportunities for a ring and if he could get close to 10mil/yr playing for the Celtics and a shot at the title, why not sit tight and let the deal happen? I’ll bet $10,000 that the Pacers won’t win a title in next 2yrs or 3yrs…..ok make it $10. West will be long forgotten after his career and Ray will be in the Hall of Fame because of his 3point shooting and that ring. Ray Allen should also be remembered for negotiating that big fat deal in Seattle on his on without an agent taking 10% or whatever–West could have saved/made at extra 1-2million on that alone.

    • bozosforall - Dec 21, 2011 at 2:19 PM

      Problem is that the Celtics have no shot at the title, chicago fan.

  18. thenoblefacehumper - Dec 21, 2011 at 1:23 AM

    Just thinking about what Kurt would say if a Knick player ever said something like this. Oh boy.

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