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Here we go again… Clipper, Hornets re-open Paul trade talks

Dec 12, 2011, 9:33 PM EDT

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Chris Paul trades are like Freddy Krueger. They. Will. Not. Die. Ever.

The Los Angeles Clippers and Hornets have re-opened talks on a Chris Paul trade, reports ESPN (and confirmed by other sources). Really, after killing this deal the league needed to re-engage the Clippers because the rest of the league was done dealing with the Hornets.

After a seemingly imminent trade routing Paul to the Clippers collapsed earlier Monday, sources told ESPN.com that the league officials negotiating on the Hornets’ behalf had aggressively re-engaged the Clippers in talks in hopes of completing a deal as soon as Tuesday.

The talks hit an impasse earlier Monday when the Clippers decided that the league’s asking price for the All-Star guard was too high. But Clippers general manager Neil Olshey said Monday that the trade could be revived if some of the parameters change. And a source close to the process told ESPN that league officials also do not see talks with the Clippers as “over.”

The trade talks died earlier today when the Clippers walked away as the league – which owns the Hornets and had basically taken over for Hornets GM Del Demps in the talks — kept demanding more and more

In the deal for sure are the large expiring contract of Chris Kaman plus second year swingman Al-Farouq Aminu, and most versions also had second year point guard Eric Bledsoe going to New Orleans.

But on top of that the league demanded both Eric Gordon — a rising young two guard — and Minnesota’s unprotected first round pick for this draft (to which the Clippers have the rights). The Clippers would give up one or the other but thought both was too steep a price and walked away.

Sounds a lot like how the league treated the lockout, doesn’t it? Sounds a lot like how the Lakers trade for Chris Paul died, doesn’t it? Maybe David Stern learned his lesson. Probably not

We will see if this leads anywhere, but the sides are still talking again.

  1. jerseyfinatic - Dec 12, 2011 at 9:39 PM

    I swear to god this is getting more annoying than hearing Brett Favre might return to the NFL for the100th time.

    • digitalpoo - Dec 12, 2011 at 11:03 PM

      If these rumors went on for another 3 weeks it would still be nothing compared to the headache that was “melodrama”

  2. sonofsambowie - Dec 12, 2011 at 9:48 PM

    David Stern is trying to do everything he can to keep the Hornets attractive to perspective buyers. If you had it your way, they’d have done the Laker deal and be stuck with an average team, no cap space, a nucleus of 30-somethings and no decent draft picks.

    Me, I thing Stern has handled this whole thing quite brilliantly. I’ve seen the light.

    http://sonofsambowie.blogspot.com/2011/12/forgive-me-david-stern-at-last-i-see.html

    • david8726 - Dec 12, 2011 at 9:57 PM

      Stop p!imping your website on someone else’s blog.

      Also, your logic fails, because the Hornets wouldn’t have stopped dealing after that initial trade. They would have flipped Scola, Odom, and possibly Martin to other teams for pieces more useful to them.

      • sonofsambowie - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:08 PM

        You know this for a fact? And honestly, what were they gonna get for Luis Scola and Lamar Odom? You don’t get it. This whole thing is about making the team attractive to the new owners, period. Stern couldn’t get Demps to execute his edict so they just took over and did it themselves.

        There is no way you can convince any sane, rational person that three high-paid guys in their 30’s is a better deal for a team that needs someone to purchase it than a bunch of young talented players and a lottery pick.

      • david8726 - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:20 PM

        No, I don’t know this for a “fact,” but basic common sense tells you that a rebuilding team is highly likely to trade two 30 year old players who still have good value to get new pieces. If you’ve been following twitter, most analysts are in agreement that New Orleans wouldn’t have simply kept Odom and Scola. That makes no sense.

        The Lakers just got a future 1st and 2nd round pick for Odom, and they didn’t even try to get the best deal possible for him. They just wanted him out the door as fast as possible. Scola, who is obviously a much better player than Odom, would command more than that.

        Also, you seem to be forgetting that Kevin Martin is 28 and is every bit as good a scorer as Eric Gordon.

        You say Stern is trying to make the team more attractive to new owners, but the fact is that he’s done a terrible job up till this point. So far, all he’s done is kill not one but two deals that other GMs around the league considered very good.

        He’s crawling back to the Clippers to rekindle this deal now because perhaps he’s finally realized that he’s overplaying his hand.

      • david8726 - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:31 PM

        And by the way – Enough with this facade that Stern killed the Paul to LA to “maximize the franchise’s value.”

        Anyone who has been paying any attention to the news knows that Stern killed that deal for one reason and one reason only – Because small market owners whined and moaned about a big market getting another star.

        We already know that the league had been informed every step of the way about what was in that initial trade when all three parties agreed on it. They didn’t step in to block it then.

        It was only after Dan Gilbert and others sent their rage-filled emails to stern (Comic Sans and all), whining about the injustice of LA getting Chris Paul, that Stern stepped in and stopped the trade.

        “Basketball reasons?” Bull sh!t excuse. “Increasing the value of the Hornets?” Also BS.

        That trade got killed because Dan Gilbert and others were butthurt about it. It’s as simple as that.

      • hoytdadd64 - Dec 13, 2011 at 12:30 AM

        I agree david8726 let’s stop the fascade!! No comission should be controlling the land scape of a league like Stern is doing right now. When has a team ever been able to completely rebuild their franchise off of one trade. He killed the first trade and now is driving the price up way too high on another. I didn’t want to beleive in the game fixing scandal but I’m starting to think twice about it now. I think Mr. Stern should step down and buy a team if he wants to bargin like this!!!!!!!!!

    • deadeyedesign23 - Dec 12, 2011 at 9:57 PM

      By making sure that the next owner of the Hornets is buying the 2010-2011 Cavs?

    • goforthanddie - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:09 PM

      He had a buyer long ago. Larry Ellison offered 350mil (a 50mil profit for the owners), but Stern wouldn’t let him move.
      Now where are they…No owner, losing Paul, nobody wants to go there. Team is worth less than the owners paid for it.
      Yep, Stern is a fscking genius.

      • sonofsambowie - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:39 PM

        What does that have to do with now? Are you implying Paul would have stayed in NO if Stern had sold the team to Eliison? That’s a rather big leap.

      • goforthanddie - Dec 12, 2011 at 11:00 PM

        @sonofsambowie: When the new owner of your team is one of the richest men in the world, you think about it.
        Shinn short-changed the Hornets in 2 different cities. He never should have been given a franchise. You see how sh!t he was by the fact the A had to bail him out.
        If Paul/the Hornets had stable ownership, ownership capable of putting a winner together, he may well have stayed. But we’ll never know, and the league will be stuck for a good long while owning NO.

  3. frankvzappa - Dec 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM

    Stern’s behavior is unsurprising and hardly out of the ordinary for anyone who, like Stern, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

  4. david8726 - Dec 12, 2011 at 9:56 PM

    Stop p!imping your website on someone else’s blog.

    Also, your logic fails, because the Hornets wouldn’t have stopped dealing after that initial trade. They would have flipped Scola, Odom, and possibly Martin to other teams for pieces more useful to them.

    • sonofsambowie - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM

      This has nothing to do with making the Hornets a good team today and everything to do with giving them attract assets and hope for the future. If they get Minny’s pick from LA and it turns into #1 or #2 they’ll be miles ahead of where they would have been otherwise. That’s how it works in the NBA. The Bulls were mis-managed for years and once they got lucky and hit the lottery for Rose it all changed. Same for the Clips.

  5. chargerdillon - Dec 12, 2011 at 10:09 PM

    Since when do the Clippers pay for top tier talent?

  6. ikedavisnose - Dec 12, 2011 at 11:02 PM

    Jerseyfanatic your wrong the way this is going I wouldnt mind seeing Favre come back at this point and that is coming from a Jets fan

  7. sonofsambowie - Dec 12, 2011 at 11:08 PM

    @goforth- I’d never argue about Shinn, he was a dimwit. I’m just saying it’s tough to play all of those hypotheticals now. Stern is doing the best he can for the Hornets’ future, and that’s really al you can ask of him. All of the people who still think the Laker deal was out of spite or some vendetta are not living in reality.

  8. alabamacowboy - Dec 12, 2011 at 11:14 PM

    Chris Paul is one of the classiest guys in the NBA…I hate to see them jerking him around like this. Just trade him to the Clippers already so we can watch him throw alley oops to Blake Griffin for a couple years before Sterling blows up the team.

  9. passerby23 - Dec 12, 2011 at 11:46 PM

    What exactly is it the Clippers are trying to achieve? They just picked up Chauncey Billups, adding to the Bledsoe and Mo Williams logjam at the point. Presuming they package Bledsoe in the deal, they are then left with Williams, Billups, and Paul. What is the plan here? They can’t move Billups.

  10. Rish77 - Dec 13, 2011 at 12:01 AM

    Stern is nuts if he thinks he can get Eric Gordon and that T-Wolves pick… That pick has a very good chance of being a top 3 pick in the lottery in such a deep draft class coming up. Good luck Dave.

  11. brettstreet - Dec 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM

    Heard Paul to lakers back on ….

  12. willardj - Dec 13, 2011 at 12:33 AM

    The NBA does not act in the interest of the Hornets. They act in the interest of the NBA.

    Thus, it is a conflict of interest.

    The NBA should never have been allowed to own the Hornets or be given veto power over every move they make.

  13. Mr. Jones - Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM

    Stern and the small market teams are hating. Paul is going to leave NO. At least get some value for him. All Stern is doing to driving down the price of the team and the value of Paul. There is no way the Lakers trade should been shot down. There is no way the Clippers trade should not have happened. Why take so much from the Clippers to make a team no wants better? If it’s about making it even, all the trade packages were fair. And those small market teams would have done the same. Melo and Bron will be the blame for thi BS for a long time.

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