Comments on: Update: Chris Paul trade moving fast, Dwight Howard not

By: bozosforall

bozosforall — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:56:40 +0000

Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson to the Lakers for Bynum, Odom and two first round picks. Maybe even throw in someone like Shannon Brown for good measure.

By: 00maltliquor

00maltliquor — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 08:37:25 +0000

That’s probably the funniest post I have read here! And true!

By: progress2011

progress2011 — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 01:56:30 +0000

Sleeper….The Heat have 6 free agents ( Chalmers, Bibby, James Jones, Dampier, Howard, Magloire ) !
For a team looking to rebuild and clear their salary….the Heat can send ALL these dudes to N.O.

Picture this:

PG – Paul
SG- Wade
SF – Bron-Bron
PF – Bosh
C- it won’t matter, pick anybody

Smell the Championship ……ahahahahahaha !!!!

I know that thought has made some of ya’ll wet yourselves. But the possibilities are REAL.

By: leearmon

leearmon — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:02:28 +0000

I would respectfully disagree. For a rebuilding team, especially one with financial issues such as the Hornets, they do not need to burry themselves deeper into a hole. So while we agree DeAndre Jordan will help them fall deeper into financial trouble, the Knicks will be essentially offering a $14 million “get out of jail free card” in Billups.

snoopy, this is what you’re failing to understand. Yes Billups is old, however the Hornets would receive instant cap relief, after a shortened season. So his $14 million is actually very helpful to a rebuilding team. The T-wolves pick is the best part of the trade for the Hornets, yet I havent ready anywhere if it is protected. Depending on exactly where it falls is the big difference between a great pick to a decent pick, and with the history the Hornets have of drafting that is a huge deal.

Finally snoopy you seem to have a good grip on advanced stats, so there actually is no doubt that a Fields, Douglass and Shumpert combo is much better than a Jordan, Bledsoe Aminu selection. The stats more than back that up, combined with the fact that Fields makes far less than Aminu and Bledsoe and if NOH wanted to they could still renounce the rights of DWTDD at the end of the season to get further below the cap, and I ask, again, how any sane person could argue a Clippers trade (without Gordon) is better than a Knicks offer? There are no facts to support this belief, if you feel there are please state them, but remember facts are not your opinions. Again, the Knicks more than anything are offering cap relief, but the stats show they also are offering the better young players than the Clips.

901boi, it seems you must not know basketball, whether you agree that Jordan is the second coming or not, you’re forgetting they are already tied up in a huge contract to someone who does the exact same thing. Jordan will probably command $40 million or so, that means you will have Okafor number two. You will have a significant amount of money (for a team who needs financial stability) tied up into two player who do the EXACT SAME THING! Where is the logic in that?

As for Shumpert, his offensive numbers are very worrisome, so on a team like the Hornets he may not be ideal, but his defensive numbers should not be overlooked. He was widely regarded as the best, or second best perimeter defender in college last season. So there is a chance he could easily be a Battier-Bowen type of player. And again considering his draft slot, and the money that would be committed to him, its hard to say he’s not as good, if not better an option than that of Aminu, who was inefficient personified last season.

By: ras1tafari

ras1tafari — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:29:46 +0000

When does the FA / trading period start for god’s sake?

This rumor/preparation time is all just heavy petting and dry-humping. Let’s get to the f–king already!

By: EvanZ

EvanZ — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:24:35 +0000

Looking at Orlando’s roster, it’s a miracle they even made the playoffs. Ryan Anderson is probably the only other tradeable asset on that team.

By: thatboi901

thatboi901 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:59:56 +0000

Knicks fans must not know basketball. It is a lot harder to find a talented big man than to find a talented wing player. DeAndre Jordan has more trade value than any player on the Knicks outisde of Amare and Anthony. Fields is good but not spectacular. So I am taking a high potential big over him. I rather the Minny pick than billups and/or Shumpert. Minny pick gives you a good chance at a franchise player. Shumpert was one of the most ineffecient players and worst jump shooters last year at the college level. Nothing to wow about there. Billups does them no good. He would be an overpaid guard playing on a non playoff team.

By: bozosforall

bozosforall — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:51:29 +0000

Sounds like the best bet to keep CP3 long term is to also sign his buddy Tyson Chandler as well. If a team like the Lakers was willing to pick up Chandler first, they could then use not only Bynum and Odom as trading chips but also Gasol as well.

By: boriqua717

boriqua717 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:38:20 +0000

How about D he goes to Lakers

By: snoopy2014

snoopy2014 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:27:11 +0000

Learn the difference between scoring points and efficiency, and then come back and talk to me.

By: drobstad

drobstad — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:06:15 +0000

CP3 in a nutshell:
1) A team (warriors, Celtics or Clippers) trades away their future to rent Paul for a season and he signs with the Knicks in 2012
2) Every team finally gives into the fact that only CP3 controls where is he playing in 2012, refuses to give up the future of their franchise for a 1 year rental, and the Hornets make the wise move and accept Douglas, Shumpert/Fields, Jerome Jordan, Billups and maybe a pick…
3) The Hornets get nothing at all.

Chris Paul controls his destiny in 2012. His rights can be owned for 1 year. If any one wants to rent him for one year and give away their franchise in the deal than so be it… He will be a Knick by the start of next year either way you slice it.

By: Kurt Helin

Kurt Helin — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:35:16 +0000

The extension in a sign and trade I believe is limited in length, like a couple years. Thing is, even if it was a full deal under the new CBA it would be four years, $74 million, where if he just becomes a free agent wherever he is traded he can re-sign with that team for five years, $100 million. But the risk is he walks.

By: drobstad

drobstad — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:49:32 +0000

How is a top 3 scorer in the league a “middling efficiency player”? All the talk about Melo playing no defense is a sham. The guy may take a play or two off here and there but he also is up near the top of the league in steals every year and is a decent re-bounder as well. The guy averages close to 30 a game and has never been on a good team his entire NBA career. Best team mate he has ever had is Chauncy Billups.
Landry Fields was an all rookie first team last year and Toney Douglas is absolutely better than Bledsoe (the stats clearly show this – look at the player comparison above.) Shumpert was our first round pick this year and I don’t think people realize how talented and impressive that kid really is. Along with Billups who you could then deal if you don’t want him to “ruin your draft selection (meaning u don’t want win games?) because he has a large expiring contract. These are good rebuilding pieces and are much more valuable than anything the Clippers have to offer BESIDES the Minny pick which is a big piece.

By: idontevenwannaknow

idontevenwannaknow — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:45:07 +0000

C’mon man, unless the knicks some how manage to get pieces from another team to complete a deal with NOLA, they still want young players to build around, that’s why the knicks are dismissed continuously.

By: snoopy2014

snoopy2014 — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:38:20 +0000

I completely agree with your first point. The extent to which the media (and perhaps the Clippers) is overvaluing DeAndre Jordan, Aminu, and Bledsoe is ridiculous. Dell Demps is smart, there’s no way he should take a deal without Eric Gordon (although if Paul doesn’t commit to an extension, his hands might be tied).

To your 2nd point – I’m not really sure the Knicks package is better. Actually, there’s no doubt the Knicks package is worse to a rebuilding team. Rebuilding is the key word. No one cares if Billups is still halfway productive, he’s far too old. He’ll just keep them from getting a higher draft pick. Acquiring Billups is anti-rebuilding.

Also, that MN draft pick is far superior to any pick the Knicks have. In a supposedly very strong draft, that’s extremely important to a rebuilding team.

From an outsider’s (non-Knicks-fan) perspective, the media’s fairly right on this one. The Knicks have very little to offer to a rebuilding team. It’s the pu-pu platter of offers for the best PG we’ve seen in a while. And I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the organization. They were fools to chase after a middling efficiency player like Melo that hard, and it’ll probably cost them Paul.

By: asox

asox — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:23:26 +0000

“But the Celtics stepped forward with an offer that would not have to come with any commitment from Paul that he’d re-sign with Boston after the season. According to a person familiar with the discussions, the Celtics offered Rajon Rondo, two future first-round picks, and restricted free agent Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Paul”

But a sign-and-trade to Boston would essentially be a committment from Paul. He is not going to sign an extension with New Orleans prior to knowing where he will be traded.

By: zammael

zammael — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:15:00 +0000

The Rick Barry curse?

By: athleticproject

athleticproject — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:56:38 +0000

Just wrote a post about the situation on http://sb4sf.blogspot.com/2011/12/cp3-sweepstakes.html

I see Paul in NY by next year through FA and Howard in NJ or GSW.

By: drobstad

drobstad — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:54:40 +0000

I could not agree more with Leearmon. There is no way any package coming from the clippers that doesn’t include Griffin or Gordon can match a Knick offer. There is a natural national hatred for NY, especially after the Melo-drama. If you haven’t been to Madison Square Garden than you are incapable of understanding why these stars want to play here. The money on their contracts does not matter as much when you play in NYC. You’re worldwide endorsement deals will make up more than half of the max salary per year anyway. I know for a fact that Nike grants a substantial bump in endorsement revenue to players if they can make it to NY (Chris Paul is a Nike client is he not?).
If the Lakers want Paul and are willing to give up Bynum and Odom, I assume they can have Paul… But if you were CP3 would you want to sign long term to play with Kobe (best player in the world hands down) at this point in his career?
The optimal situation for Paul is to make his way to NYC and be with his best friends in the league. Golden state, Clippers & Celtics have -3,000,000% chance of landing Paul and all the people reporting that any of these teams has a chance of landing Paul are all wasting their time.

By: leearmon

leearmon — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:23:20 +0000

* Shumpert and Douglas

By: leearmon

leearmon — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:59:03 +0000

Full disclosure, yes I am a HUGE Knick fan. Now that thats out of the way, Im really curious as to how a Clippers deal for Paul – not including Eric Gordon is better than the NYK? Looking at the facts, DeAndre Jordan is a good piece, no question about it, but he will probably be overpaid somewhere around the $38-42 million range. Yes he is an athletic center with huge upside, but he’s only had one strong season, and that came alongside Blake Griffin. Add to that, you would still have Okafor and his contract on your roster and Jordan becomes less attractive as they do the same thing. Then you have Eric Bledsoe and Aminu?!?! Please, Bleadsoe Aminu and Landry were all rookies last season. Two were drafted in the first round, yet only one was a first team rookie selection. Ill let you guess which one that was. Then you have Chanucey. Yes he’s getting up there in age, but he’s still productive, much more so than Bledsoe, hell would you say Bledsoe is better than DWTDD? the stats don’t suggest it:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bledser01&y1=2011&p2=douglto01&y2=2011

Back to Billups, as you pointed he has a $14 million expiring contract, which would seemingly benefit a team in financial peril like the NOH. So how is a Bledsoe, Jordan, Aminu Minn 1st rd pick better than a Billups, Fields, Shumpert & Shumpert? I dont see it. Obviously, the Warriors, and Lakers’ deals are much better than anything all other teams are offering, but the continued dismissal of the Knicks’ talent (or lack thereof) is a bit misguided.

By: anhdazman

anhdazman — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:51:37 +0000

A very rare moment in time where the Warriors are actually the front runners in a quest to sign a big time Player.