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Bosh calls lockout league’s revenge for Miami, New York

Nov 17, 2011, 8:06 AM EDT

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Chris Bosh thinks that part of the owners’ motivation in playing hardball is their anger about what LeBron James and he did last summer, then what Carmelo Anthony did to Denver. Bosh believes those moves are fuel for smaller market owners trying to get a complete and total destruction of the union during the current negotiations.

Bosh is right.

The Miami Heat forward talked about it with our man Ira Winderman of the Sun Sentinel.

Bosh said it would not be a stretch to believe the Heat’s signing of himself, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade in the 2010 offseason contributed to the league’s belief that the work rules had to change.

“I think so,” he said….

“I mean, if you look at the free agents coming up in the same situations, with Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, they can control their own fate,” he said. “They have the power to control that and I think that’s a great thing. In any job you want freedom to negotiate.

“With us doing what we did, and Carmelo going to the Knicks, I think that has a lot to do with it. Hopefully we can keep that and guys can come and go and make the deal that’s best for them and their family.”

Last summer, and watching what ‘Melo did to Denver, the hearts of the small market owners hardened. They saw themselves in that position and didn’t want it to happen ever again (Utah tried to avoid it by trading Deron Williams before he could hold the hostage).

Know this — there are owners who want to break the union, make the players miss paychecks and watch them cave. Getting in a season in did not matter. Only a complete and total victory mattered.

Bosh is right. What LeBron, Bosh an ‘Melo did is part of the reason we do not have basketball in mid November (and beyond). The question is really should they be allowed to choose where they work?

  1. blueintown - Nov 17, 2011 at 8:09 AM

    Heeere we go..

    • wiLQ - Nov 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM

      “Chris Bosh thinks that part of the owners’ motivation in playing hardball is their anger about what LeBron James and he did last summer, then what Carmelo Anthony did to Denver.”
      He might be right! I’ve re-calculated all current NBA contracts as if they were signed under owners’ latest offer and among other things it seems as this offer was targeted against those two players:

  2. jlinatl - Nov 17, 2011 at 8:31 AM

    Bosh added further ground breaking insight such as the sky is blue.

  3. acieu - Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 AM

    Exactly and the response is well deserved. If players can act totally in their self interest so can small market owners.

    • berto55 - Nov 17, 2011 at 9:22 AM

      Agreed. What these guys don’t understand is if there is only quality basketball in Miami and NY, nobody will watch, even in Miami and NY….oh wait, they never watched in Miami.

      • bosutton - Nov 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM

        It’s good to see that things like facts don’t get in the way of your opinions. The Heat drove ratings. Just like the Lakers and Celtics have alays done, just like the Bulls did with Jordan.

      • liltifer - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:13 AM

        bosutton is right. Look at the highest-rated televised games last season and Miami owns that list. It doesn’t matter where they play. People want to see the stars. It’s the owners that don’t want to let this happen…

      • edweird0 - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:21 AM

        Good to know people are still ignorant of the facts. Miami games had some of the highest ratings all season long, not to mention in the playoffs. But it’s cool, you made a funny joke, more power to you.

      • iknowzeroaboutsports - Nov 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM

        Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven…

        Not any.

      • zekebrown - Nov 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM

        Didn’t Labron serve out his contract, so whats the problem?

    • beloved45 - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM

      That’s why it is called free agent. they can choose to go where they want too.

  4. frankvzappa - Nov 17, 2011 at 9:30 AM

    Did they not expect a reaction to carrying out a conspiracy that had been in the works for years? If you are going to conspire against the owners, you are going to find out who really calls the shots. These players have let their egos interfere with their minds. No one can win a struggle of wills against billionaires.

    • derekjetersmansion - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM

      People don’t watch NBA games for the owners. Sorry.

      The league markets their players the best of all 4 sports, but doesn’t want them to choose the best situation? That’s a little hypocritical.

      Like, who cares? Who forced Cleveland to trade LeBron? You want to win and make money, Dan Gilbert? You find a way to keep LeBron and stop whining.

      • bigdaddy1906 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:42 AM

        Gilbert did everything he could to keep LeBron. Every move made was done with LeBron’s knowledge and consent!! Up until his final year, LeBron never reqruited anyone to come to Cleveland. He’s not even in Miami for a day and he’s trying to bring Fisher to Miami.

        Besides, what could Gilbert do when LeBron colluded with Bosh and Wade at the Olympics 3 years prior?!?!?!?!?

        Cry me a river!! You’re going to pay me millions of dollars to play a game and the worst part of it is that I have to live in Cleveland, Indianapolis, or Milwaukee?!?!?!? Where do I sign.

        If nothing else, the new CBA must have a HARD cap and a franchise tag!!!

    • edweird0 - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:24 AM

      Are you listening to yourself? If you had leverage in your job, irrelevant of what it was, would you not take advantage of it? Are individuals NOT allowed to do w.e they want? According to your logic, apparently not…

      • Chris Fiorentino - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM

        It’s one thing to have “leverage” in your jobs and it is quite another to conspire to join the same team 3 years in advance while still under contract with 3 different teams. Bosh may be right, but even if he is, it doesn’t take any less of the blame away from the players, including guys like him, LeBron and Carmelo who strong-armed their teams into trading them to the team of their choice.

        Personally, if I were the owner of the Cavs, I would have let LeBron go for less years and money and NEVER EVER would have made it a sign-and-trade. If Gilbert is going to talk about principles, then he should have let him walk for nothing. I know he was just getting what he could for the sake of the franchise’s best interest, but in this case, had he just let LeBron walk, I don’t think anybody would have blamed him for it.

      • beloved45 - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:11 PM

        It’s done everyday, when people get a chance to move to another job for more money or to be close to home it’s done.

  5. bigal123 - Nov 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM

    The NBA players need to realize that their decisions not only have to be good for them and their family, but good for the league also. If the players and teams are allowed to load up on talent, the effect may help some individual players in the short term, but can disenfranchise the fans in the long run. Casual fans watch for the competition, not to see overloaded and overpriced teams run up scores all the time. The owners realize this because they are in it every season. The players don’t because they are only thinking of their own career window-of-opportunity.

  6. dopeonthetable - Nov 17, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    The more this goes on the more I hope the owners bury the players and we miss a season.

  7. santolonius - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM

    yeah, bosh is right. and the owners are right to want a systemic change. players believe they deserve the freedom to move from portland to dallas in the same ways as a stock broker would move from goldman sachs to j.p. morgan. but i think their analogy is fundamentally flawed. changing from goldman sachs to j.p. morgan is like going from the nba to the european league. going from porland to dallas is like going from the portland branch of goldman sachs to the dallas branch of goldman sachs. no individual who works for a company gets to dictate those terms. if the company is cool with it, maybe it happens. but it is the company’s call. the small market teams are right to try to get a handle on this. it is the owners’ league. they own the teams. they own the league. if players don’t like this league, there is always europe and china.

    • troy10 - Nov 17, 2011 at 1:01 PM

      This is the best comment on this whole board!!
      First of all… for all the people that keep comparing their 9-5 job to that of a professional athlete need to STOP! It’s very much NOT the same. If everyone is OK for all of the “stars” to go to 4 or 5 teams, then only have 4 or 5 teams in the league. Just contract the rest of league. Just have a 50 game schedule where Miami, LA, New York, Dallas, and Boston all play each other non stop. (and watch everyone outside NY, Boston and Miami root for Dallas)

      There is so much more to it then just having “the freedom to work where you want”. There are fan bases and local economies that rely on the sports franchise.
      And, like the santoionius just stated.. they have other options in their profession.. There are MANY leagues over in Europe, Russia, and China that they can take their talents to. OR.. like so many “regular” people do that think their chosen profession is too limiting, they can change professions. They can go work at Home Depot, or get into real estate, then they can move anywhere their little heart desires.
      And, to everyone who points at the ratings at some kind of barometer, just make sure you factor in how many people are only watching because they want Miami to lose! They’re not fans of Miami, so that “stat” is misleading.

      • leearmon - Nov 17, 2011 at 6:52 PM

        Can we please stop with comparing J.P. Morgan, Home Depot and McDonald’s to the NBA? Please I’m begging. The comparison only works if the employees at J.P. Morgan, Home Depot and McDonald’s sign contracts to work there. Im not sure, but I seriously doubt Jason at H.D. signed a mulit-year deal to teach you how to paint your attic. I hope everyone here understands that in the NBA players, and the teams-important to make this clear, sign contracts. If a player signs a 4-year deal, honors said deal, hits free agency and choses to leave, exactly what is wrong with that? If you are against what happened last season, you are against free agency. And if you want the NBA to do away with free agency, you might as well kiss pro ball in this country goodbye.

        But I must ask of the people who don’t like free agency and voluntary player movement. Are you equally as mad when a team trades a player? That’s essentially the same thing with the exception that the trade happens when the player’s contract with said team is still active. To be against players switching teams after they have honored a contract, yet be ok with a team trading players whenever they want, many times not to better a championship run, but just to increase their bottom line i.e. Tyson Chandler for Eduardo Najara and Matt Carroll, is completely hypocritical.

        Lastly Santolonious lets not make this a “small market” vs “large market” situation. As all knowledgeable NBA fans know the Spurs, small market, are the second most successful franchise of this generation. Not only that, Miami is a smaller market than D.C., Houston, Minneapolis and Detroit (all teams that didn’t make the playoffs) and is only one ahead of Denver and 2 ahead of you guessed it Cleveland… So how does market size effect the success of a NBA team? I think the Spurs would argue that, so too would the Clippers.

      • santolonius - Nov 18, 2011 at 8:22 AM

        to leearmon..
        1. i am not comparing the contract situation of nba players to home depot workers. i am comparing them to highly professional lucrative careers so yes, an employee of j.p.morgan 100% signs a contract.
        2. yes, i think free agency does not work so well in nba basketball and needs to be modified. your statement that no free agency means no pro sports is unexplained. bottom line there, i think if the nba could do as nfl and have the franchise tag for one or two guys that would do wonders.
        3. trading a player is not dishonoring the contract. the players can be traded… as terms of their contract.
        4. san antonio is the great exception. not the rule. and the spurs’ fortunes have been largely determined by the fact that tim duncan was not looking to lead a life of celebrity, and was therefore happy to stay in san antonio. again, the exceptions exist.
        5. this miami thing that bosh was a part of is really a scary thing. someday basketball historians would call it the start of a huge trend that changed the game. players have never before decided on their own to create an all star team for their own pleasure. owners must get a handle on it fast before it becomes the trend or the league’s have nots will quickly have so absolutely little that they will not be able to get within 25 ponts of the chosen ones, and they will become economically irrelevant.

      • leearmon - Nov 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM

        While I understand that you were not comparing workers of Home Depot to NBA players, others like Troy10 were. While Im not 100% sure of the contracts of workers of J.P. Morgan, if they do sign a 4-year deal with that company. Once that 4 years is up, they should be able to chose which branch of J.P. morgan to work for. Whether its in Miami or Cleveland especially if the branch in Miami is for lack of a better term, recruiting that worker. Same goes for the NBA. If a player honors their contract, and has other employers ready and willing to pay for their labor, why should a Free Agent not make the decision thats best for him?

        I said if there was no free agency in the NBA there would be no pro basketball in this country because there is no way the players would sign off on that. All of the major pro sports, yes even football, have free agency. So to only eradicate f.a. in the NBA would never happen. Im almost 100% sure of that. The franchise tag that the NFL implements looks good on paper, but I have trouble seeing how it would work in the NBA. Lets use this example: in the NFL, if a player is “franchised” he gets the average pay of the top 5 players of his position for one year. Now Dwight Howard is approaching free agency. He is without question the best center in the NBA. However using the franchise tag, his pay for one year would be the average of guys like Brendan Haywood and Mehmet Okur. You and I both know thats ridiculous. Howard is one of the best 3 players in the league and his salary would be based on players not in the top 100. Please let me know how you think the franchise tag would work in the NBA.

        I also never said trading a player is dishonoring a contract. I simply stated that if you don’t like player movement when a player choses their own destination, why would you like movement if the team choses, especially when it doesn’t enhance their winning like the Charlotte trade I mentioned earlier. I believe Thurgood Marshall stated that consistency is the true test of a person’s argument. If their stance melts under the fire of consistency then their theory had no foundation to begin with.

        Please explain how San Antonio is the exception? The Spurs have more NBA championships than the Knicks, Nets and Clippers combined. Actually if you multiply the combined championships of those 3 teams that play in the largest 2 markets in the country by two, they only equal the Spurs. Plus, the Thunder are a small market team, their future is brighter than any other team in the league. The late 90’s saw the Jazz go to back to back championships. The Blazers have won a NBA championship before, and in the 90s and early 2000s were title contenders every year. Bottom line is that in the NBA there are 4-6 guys a generation who make the GREATEST look weak. These are the true elite players in the league. If you are smart and draft one i.e. Duncan – Spurs, Wade – Heat, Jordan – Bulls, or are savvy enough to trade for one during the draft i.e. Kobe – Lakers, Dirk – Mavs you will have an opportunity to win. Market size is a weak excuse. Ask the Knicks, Warriors and Wizards. And how do you know that Duncan was not looking to lead a life of celebrity? Maybe equally as important to him was that his team knew how to run an organization. He didn’t go to Orlando because he saw that the Spurs had the best chance to win a championship. How is that different than what Lebron or Bosh did?

        Finally I think a lot of us are suffering from revisionist history. Last years Heat team was not the first team to group a bunch of different stars together to win in a big market. I remember Gary Peyton and Karl Malone joining the Lakers a few seasons back to form the first “dream team” and just like the Heat of last year, they ultimately lost the championship. The Larry O’Brein trophy is won during the playoffs not in the offseason.

      • troy10 - Nov 18, 2011 at 1:35 PM

        To Leearmon

        First of all.. I think santolonius’s analogy of working for “branches” at a company was dead on! That’s the best comparison you could make. Regardless if contracts are involved or not.
        But people like you keep saying, “when their contract is up, they should be free to move”. Which, in a perfect world is true. However, we do not live in a perfect world.
        You have these guys basically holding their teams hostage for the two years prior to them being a FA. They don’t commit to the team.. so the team has to guess.. they trade for players that will work with that star, to make him happy, so he’ll stay. They’ll take on bad contracts to make it work. If that stars leaves, then the team is left with pieces that don’t work without that star.. and in many cases, because of the haste in trying to cater to the player, even if the star stays they’re not much better off because the team has mad moves basically out of desperation, and now they’re backed against the salary cap.
        And in some cases, stars are conspiring 2 and 3 years before their FA and have NO INTENTION of resigning.
        Teams saw what LeBron did.. then what Melo did to force his way out of Denver. Utah took notice..they traded their star before he could hold them hostage.
        This is the owners league.. they run it. You say player should have freedom of movement.. then an owner must have the ability to run his team the way he wants to. If the owners want to make it tougher for players to move to another team… then so what.. it’s their league. They are the ones writing the checks and taking the risks of losing money.
        And… to my point about Home Depot (which you obviously not understand) if a player or players feel that they do not like how the league is run or they can not live by the NBA rules, guess what.. the have the freedom to choose NOT to play in the NBA. Really.. they do. For some reason everyone thinks that this is the only way they can make money. But, if they feel so strongly that they don’t like the rules, they can go to say, a Home Depot for instance. Will they make the same money as the would in the NBA?? NO.. of course not. But I bet you they could work anywhere in the country they wanted.

        And far as your question about how San Antonio is the exception.. REALLY?!?! I can’t believe this has to be explained to you.
        Yes.. San Antonio won all those championships… DURING the Duncan era. David Robinson gets hurt and is out for a full season (similar to Peyton Manning in the NFL this year) without Robinson SA is awful. They end up getting the number one pick, which turns out to be Duncan. Now you tell me how many championships San Antonio wins if Duncan leaves because he wanted to team up with another star… or wants to be in the limelight. Tim Duncan is an exception which means San Antonio is an exception. San Antonio then is smart by scouting and drafting internationally. These guys were just happy to play in the NBA at the time. However, San Antonio is still a .500 team without Duncan. As I’m typing this I still can’t believe you asked how San Antonio is the exception.
        Then you bring up another small market team like Oklahoma City. Yes, they have had RECENT success, but why?? Because Durant didn’t hold the team hostage, he signed early with the team (with no fanfare), never gave them any indication he wanted to play elsewhere, so OKC was able to concentrate on building their team. Making shrewd moves like trading for Kendrick Perkins instead of panicking to please their star.
        THEN.. you start talking about Utah and other small market teams of a totally different era of basketball. When the stars hated each other and were not trying to figure out how to play with one another. How can you even compare?? There was a completely different mentality that the players had then. Do you think Stockon and Malone were secretly talking to Ewing about going to join him with the Knicks??? NO.. they were trying to kick Ewing’s a**.

        You might have a fundamental point, if we lived in a perfect world.. but your reasoning is ignorant at best, and just plain laughable at worst. If I didn’t know better I would swear you were either a player or player agent.

      • bryan1377 - Nov 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM

        Leaearmon …

        San Antonio is an exception for the same reason Okla City may be … they got lucky in the draft (Duncan and Durant) and both are superstars who don’t need all the media hype and chose to stay in their respective cities. Also, one should not consider Miami a “small market” because Miami is a destination city where players want to live and play … the same could be said for LA and NYC.

      • leearmon - Nov 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM

        Many of you continue to use the analogy of “branches at a company” but you fail to realize is Dan GIlbert is no more of an owner than Mickey Arison (Miami’s owner) so if the Cleveland branch of J.P. Morgan does not want to pay their employees a certain amount of dollars, but the Miami branch of J.P. Morgan does, how is the employee wrong for going to Miami? Troy10 that doesn’t happen in a “perfect world” that happens all the time. I work for a regional RSN in D.C. If Comcast SportsNet D.C. doesn’t pay me what I would like, but CSN Bay Area is begging me to work there for the price I’m demanding, guess what! I go to Bay Area. Why then do you have a problem with players doing the same?

        Again Troy10 not to be rude, but you need to learn the facts. You say that by comparing Utah, I’m bringing up a “totally different era”. Please understand that the year before the Spurs won their first championship, Utah lost in the Finals. Hard to say a year difference is a “totally different era”. My point about San Antonio is that yes Duncan was the key for their championships, but you can’t dismiss their other moves. Especially when Tony Parker is a Finals MVP!! He was drafted in the end of the first round. Every team who drafted in the first round of the 2001 draft passed on him. Ginobili? Drafted in the bottom of the 2nd round. Im not sure how many rings the Spurs would have without Duncan. I’ll guess not many. But how many would the Spurs have without Parker, Ginobili & Popovich? I laughed when you stated, “…these guys were just happy to play..” Exactly how do you know this? I remember specifically Tony Parker being very upset after the Spurs won their 2nd title because the Spurs wanted to make a run at Kidd. So to say he’s just happy to be there is foolish and wrong. However, Parker just like Duncan, just like Ginobili, just like Robinson all re-sgined there. So no, Duncan isn’t the exception, and using you logic, that makes S.A. the rule. Need more proof?

        Look at the teams that have won championships in the last 20+ years. 90 Pistons, drafted Thomas. 91-93 Bulls drafted Jordan. 94-95 Rockets, drafted Olajuwon. 96-98 Bulls, again drafted Jordan. 99 Spurs, Drafted Robinson and Duncan. 2000-02 Lakers* Shaq, drafted Kobe. 03 Spurs, Duncan Parker, 04 Pistons* exception 05 Spurs, drafted Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, 06 Heat drafted Wade. 07 Spurs Duncan Parker Ginobili, 08 Celtics exception* 09-10 Lakers , drafted Kobe, Bynum. 2011 Mavs, Dirk, Kidd drafted. The exceptions actually aren’t the Spurs, as they drafted their main talent. San Antonio as you can see are the rule. Draft your star players, build role players through free agency. The only times stars were built through F.A. were the early Lakers, Pistons and Celtics of the 2000s. Thats 5 championships in a 21 year period. They are the exceptions.

        You say players hold teams hostage. Well thats not technically true. Players hold bad teams hostage. If you remember, a few seasons back Kobe Bryant demanded a trade, however the Lakers’ brass didn’t oblige because it was a bad business decision. Kobe wanted to go to Chicago, but wanted Deng to say there. The Lakers said no, built a team that THEY wanted and Kobe obviously is still there. Another example using the same big market team, Kobe wanted the Lakers to trade Andrew Bynum. L.A. refused. Kobe threw a tantrum but all is forgotten now. Need another example? No problem. Michael Jordan is widely regarded as the greatest player of all time, yet when he wanted the Bulls to keep Phil Jackson as their head coach, Chicago balked. Let Jordan, and Jackson go. Good teams do not, will not and have not caved to the demands of their stars. Bottom line, GM’s are paid millions of dollars too. Why do people like you continue to write them passes? If your team caves to a player’s demand, how strong of an organization is that? Especially if the player is under contract? This whole notion of players holding teams hostages is absurd. If Cleveland traded for Antawn Jamison over Amar’e Stoudemire because Lebron said so (which I doubt) they deserve what they’re getting.

        Most stars will stay with their team if they are winning, or at least making sound decisions. Again for every Lebron or Melo there are 10 Duncans, Pierces, Wades, Kobes, Nowitzki, Durants, Parkers, Jordans, Hamiltons, Roys. If players feel there team has a chance to win, they re-sign. Period. If you want to keep stating how the Spurs are exceptions, so too are Lebron, Bosh and Melo.

        You ask me if Stockton and Malone were talking about joining with Ewing. Of course they didn’t, however you fail to state how Malone did talk to Kobe and G.P. about joining the Lakers. So again, factually you come up short. Im really not trying to be rude. However I am trying to understand many of your opinions. In the NBA 4-5 teams win a championship in a 10 year span. Always has been like that, and I think it always will be. Yes you do need stars to build a foundation, but you also need a good front office. Name me a championship team with a poor front office. Please. Just one. I’ll wait….

        .. OK done waiting. Finally Miami is not a “small market” I never said it was. But to call it a “big market” is wrong. Bryan1377 while your opinion is that Miami is a “destination city” in which players would want to live. So too is Washington D.C. Each year D.C. always tops lists of the city players love to visit the most. Yet the Wizards cant bring in F.A. Want to know my guess as to why that is? Because Grunfeld and company trade top 5 picks (which could have resulted in Steph Curry) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller. They also sign overrated players like GIlbert Arenas (off of 3 knee surgeries) to $135 million contracts. So while troy10 says I sound like a player or their agents, I have to be honest you guys sound like poorly informed fans, or apologist to awful GMs.

      • leearmon - Nov 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM

        Troy10 & Bryan1377 it seems as though PBT is back to blocking my posts. Im not even sure they’ll post this one seeing as though its 4:02pm Nov 19th and my comment responding to you both at 1:32pm Nov 19th still isn’t up, maybe if I was race baiting like mustang06 I’d be up.. But in any event.

        Here is a snippet of the Spurs “exception” theory. P.S. Im responding not to be a jerk, but to present a different P.O.V. you two seem very level headed and haven’t resorted to “Players are thugs” train of thought. I like to think that comment sections are to lift the discussion, not to bring it down. So please do not take any of my comments as insults or other, I just enjoy NBA conversation. Especially since Im not getting any NBA….

        Without further adieu :

        Look at the teams that have won championships in the last 20+ years. 90 Pistons, drafted Thomas. 91-93 Bulls drafted Jordan. 94-95 Rockets, drafted Olajuwon. 96-98 Bulls, again drafted Jordan. 99 Spurs, Drafted Robinson and Duncan. 2000-02 Lakers *exception Shaq, drafted Kobe. 03 Spurs, Duncan Parker, 04 Pistons* exception 05 Spurs, drafted Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, 06 Heat drafted Wade. 07 Spurs Duncan Parker Ginobili, 08 Celtics exception* (kind of) 09-10 Lakers , drafted Kobe, Bynum. 2011 Mavs, Dirk, Kidd drafted.

        The exceptions actually aren’t the Spurs, as they drafted their main talent. San Antonio as you can see are the rule. Draft your star players, build role players through free agency. The only times stars were built through F.A. were the early Lakers, Pistons and Celtics of the 2000s. Thats 5 championships in a 21 year period. They are the exceptions.

  8. edgarh21 - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:54 AM

    I like how bosh is trying to spread the hate by trying to make NY look like the heat lol. Only difference is Melo was traded there, he didn’t set up this circus act over summer with Amare and then have this comming out party lol.

    • trueballs - Nov 17, 2011 at 1:06 PM

      Wow. really? Melo just got traded…I guess the Nuggets weren’t crazy about him.

      Melo’s departure was even worse than LeBron’s….the only difference is LeBron is the face of the NBA and almost everyone knew about since it was over the summer.
      Melo completely sold out for a bigger market.. even with talent around him, Nene, JR, Kmart, Birdman, Chauncey, afflalo, Ty lawson.

    • iknowzeroaboutsports - Nov 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM

      Hello? Does anyone remember how Jerry Sloan got run out of Utah by Deron Williams? Run out by, quit because of, whichever, same difference. Sloan was an outstanding coach of the Jazz for 22 years. This is what the players have made of the league. Time to clean it up.

  9. iknowzeroaboutsports - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM

    “Bosh is right.”

    Close. Not just the owners are angry. Every fan other than the ones in Miami, New York and LA. Yes, players, there are fans in cities other than those. You just wouldn’t know it because the old CBA meant that small market teams had no chance at building and holding long-term talent.

    You reap what you sow.

  10. irish2u2 - Nov 17, 2011 at 11:02 AM

    Fair is fair. James leaving Cleveland was devastating to the Cavaliers franchise so there has to be a way for teams like the Cavs to get better compensation while at the same time still allowing free agents choice. Of course the owners want to do away with sign and trades which allow free agents to get max money and go where they wish. I’m mostly pro player (although both sides have to share equal blame for this unholy mess) but this seems fair. Either take the cake or eat the cake but you can’t do both. If a player wants to go to another team then he has to accept less money to do so and if he does go to another team the old team should get an additional draft choice pro-rated by how good the departing player was along with his new team giving up a pick.

    As a Knicks fan I can say the Anthony trade was one of the fairest I have seen in awhile so Denver really has no complaints. They got high quality players with upside in Felton, Chandler and Gallinari and a center with some promise in Mozgov. As a Knicks fan I think they fleeced us. ; )

    • iknowzeroaboutsports - Nov 17, 2011 at 11:18 AM

      Show me a fan who supports the players, and I’ll show you a NY, LA or Miami fan.

      • trueballs - Nov 17, 2011 at 1:09 PM

        show me a time when the NBA was dominating tv ratings and revenue without a few superstar teams.

      • leearmon - Nov 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM

        Yeah because fans in San Antonio really hate Ginobili, Duncan and Parker. And dont get me started about how fans in OKC feel about Durant…

  11. electstat - Nov 17, 2011 at 11:12 AM

    Which was it again, Miami or New York that won the trophy? Oh yeah.

  12. buckifan4life - Nov 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM

    Good. The owners are getting it right then. They need franchise tags like the NFL has. You can’t offer a max deal and still not be able to sign a player. If that’s the case, shutdown the small market teams because fans won’t go to those games. No matter what these knucklehead players think, fans drive sales and the fans have to believe that the players are playing for them and their city and NOT for their selfish self. Even though the latter may be true, they have to make the fans THINK it is for them. These superteams destroy the market and the owners know it. I have no problem with NOT having a season this year as long as they get this ship sailing the right way.

    • flymoe - Nov 17, 2011 at 1:13 PM

      I agree 100%. The NBA definitely needs a franchise tag like the NFL.

      I’m a fan of the Magic. After Shaq left, the Magic were devastated for years, at least until we drafted Howard. Now Howard has the potential to devastate the Magic again for years to come. If the Magic lose Howard, I’m done with the NBA. The smaller market teams will never be able to compete with the bigger market teams. We will have 4-5 super teams that will dominate the NBA. Unless you’re a fan of one of the 4-5 super teams, the average fan doesn’t want to watch a league dominated by 4-5 teams year in and year out. If there’s no hope for your team to compete, why be a fan of that team?

      • leearmon - Nov 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM

        Im not being snarky when I ask this, but can someone please tell me how they would implement the “franchise tag” in the NBA? I have given my stance on why I believe it would never work. Yet I still have not heard one way of having a f.t. in the league. Again, using your Howard example. He is the best center in the league. Out of the other 29 teams in the league there is probably only 3 guys who are even decent centers, and with the exception of Nene they only play defense. The franchise tag, as the NFL has it, takes the average of the highest paid 5 players of that position and pays said player that amount for one season. There is no way Dwight who is a top 3 player, MVP candidate each season, should take the average pay of Okur, Haywood, Bynum, Chandler and one other center. Thats just not realistic. Adversely, when Danny Granger becomes a free agent, he should not make anywhere near the average pay of Lebron, Rashard Lewis (highest paid player in the league) Paul Pierce and Melo. That is absurd!

        As for your Magic, you should probably be more upset with Otis Smith. Three years ago you guys went to the Finals, lost in 6 close tough games. Then you traded young talent (Courtney Lee) to New Jersey for Vince Carter. Bad move. Then this past year you traded one of your better assets to Phoenix (Gortat) brought in another aging wingman (Richardson) then the dumbest move ever traded for Gilbert Arenas. Each season your team has done less in the playoffs since those big moves. And its apparent to anyone who watches Orlando, Dwight Howard is getting better, while his team, and front office is getting worse.

      • Kurt Helin - Nov 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM

        Officially, the franchise tag came off the table during the talks.

  13. ogre2010 - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    Hey Bosh, if you guys are more powerful than the NBA, why don’t you and the players start your own league. Face it, you need them AND the owners need you.

  14. lphboston - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    Bosh may be right, but so what?

    The players need to realize that they are now reaping what they sowed. They make untold millions, throw their extravagant lifestyles in the faces of fans who are struggling to put food on the table and expect those same fans to rally behind them when they see that lifestyle threatened?

    All so we get to see lazy piecesof sh*t like Bosh walk away from the city that drafts him, gets him up to speed in the pro game and builds around him? Right.

    I’m a fan of a big-market team (Boston) but I’m 100 percent behind the owners. If they can crush the union, that’s fine with me. Bring salaries to a sane level, distribute the talent so smaller-market teams have a chance and bring legitimate competition to the league.

    Hang tough, owners.

  15. lltony - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:27 PM

    Gentlemen /ladies..come on ..Do you guys still fail to understand this is not simply egos getting in he way.
    The focus of some of these blogs continue to imply that these players are greedy money grabbers and should simply take what they get. Listen small market or other wise.Its the player that continue to bring in big revenue for the owner, and all they are asking for is a fair share of their sweat equity. As hated as Lebron is where ever he goes there is a sell out.As dislike as Kobe Bryant was and still maybe , where ever he goes he brings in money for the small markets.Areas are sold out week maybe months in advance.Shaq did the same, Tim Duncan ,Michael Jordan Magic in the pass Larry Bird, I mean the list goes on. All these players are asking for is fairness and an olive branch on the system issues.

  16. ladiegwen - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    i agree.They need to still give the players what they want. At the end of the day the players take slot of risk

  17. somekat - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:33 PM

    They can play anywhere they want, and get the best contract they want. Their are plenty of leagues in Europe, China, Turkey etc (good luck actually getting paid).

    They are playing in the NBA, they are employees of the NBA (thats why the owners are called owners). If they choose to play in this league, they choose to live by the rules. Lebron and them did, I have no problem with that. But then the league said hey, if this keeps happening, the league is dead. There will never be more than 4 or 5 contenders a year. It is only right that they fix the system to make it more fair. Besides, like I said, they are employees. If you to your boss and say i want a raise, and a transfer to the department of my choice, they’d laugh at you.

    Lastly, Bosh with his “they should be able to take the deal that is best for their famalies” is a joke. Tell the truth, this has nothing to do with your family, it is about you wanting to make more money, period. If that weren’t the case, you’d of stayed in Toronto. He didn’t take a pay cut (hence the sign and trade) like Lebron did. You can’t give me a school system for the kids, because Toronto is miles ahead of Miami. If he just said “I wanted to have achance to win titles with minimal effort, while making maximum money”, it would of been much closer to the truth

    If you can’t tell, I have more venom for Bosh, who still got the most money possible, than I do for James who left millions on the table to leave Cleveland (even if his endorsements more than make up for it)

  18. ericpagano - Nov 17, 2011 at 12:54 PM

    I read a fascinating article where Derrick Fisher said the reason the players get paid so well is because they are the product, not the labor force. This was a very insightful comment and made me think in a different way about the huge salaries. Then you have the constant comparison about how “In any job you want freedom to negotiate”. This goes in direct contrast to Fisher’s argument about why the players deserve more of the BRI split. If the players want to get paid as the product, they need to understand the ownership of said team needs some built in protection so their “product” can’t just switch “companies”. If they want the freedom of every day laborers, perhaps they should get paid like every day laborers.

    Just a thought.

  19. mgscott - Nov 17, 2011 at 2:35 PM

    About 80% of the population could care less if the NBA has a season this year, or ever. This is mostly because of the cartoonish act Lechoke and company pulled last year. Bosh knows it, we know it and the owners know it.

  20. basketballfan4life - Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM

    It seems that many of u have the structure of the NBA, National Basketball Association, messed up. The owners of teams are apart of an association. If there was contraction of every team, the association would still exist. LOOK IT UP. Stop just bumping ur gums or typing uninformed comments. The owners own the teams. Not the NBA

  21. yanivvinay - Nov 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM


    Your comment is awesome. That is the best way to put it, and though we may have loyalty to our individual teams as fans, players are still workers. They are allowed to be employed where they choose.

  22. cantonbound13 - Nov 18, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    Bosh bringing NY in to the discussion is quite funny & cowardly. It was him and his 2 overrated, diva friends that got together and decided to get together before anybody else did. They had other teams wine & dine them as if they had any interest of playing for them. They mock the other teams by tweeting a picture of he & Wade with an empty seat for James at a restaurant. They are classless & immature. Moments before the classless “decision” aired, James made it look like Bosh’s refusal to accept a trade to Cleveland helped sway his decision to go to Miami. The disgusting party in Miami after “The Chokin’ One” made his decision capped off the whole circus act.
    If you don’t think these 3 had made up their mind to get together in South Beach well before they became free agents, you are a fool! I was actually a Heat fan before this embarrassment took place. I have no respect for this team lead by cowards and unprofessional, immature Divas.

  23. rreducla1 - Nov 19, 2011 at 9:30 PM

    leearmon wins the thread. Actually understanding basketball and the history of the league makes him stand out in this crowd.

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