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Players vote to reject offer, decertify union. Season likely doomed.

Nov 14, 2011, 2:08 PM EDT

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This is Armageddon. Nuclear winter is upon NBA fans.

The players got together in New York on Monday and not only voted to reject the league’s ultimatum offer, but voted to start the process to decertify the union.

“We’ve arrived at the conclusion that the collective bargaining process has completely broken down, and as a result in the last hour we have served a notice of disclaimer on (David) Stern and the NBA,” union director Billy Hunter said after the meeting. “We plan to disseminate that to all 30 teams. …

“The players are not ready to accept the ultimatum. They thought it was completely unfair on the part of the NBA ownership and management. … We have negotiated in good faith for two years, but the players have felt they have given enough.”

That step — a notice of disclaimer essentially says the union has no interest in representing the players in negotiations any longer and is abandoning that right — is the first step in anti-trust lawsuits that will be filed by players in the coming days. This is the step the NFL players’ union took and something agents have pushed the NBA union to do since July. The timing essentially blows up the negotiating process when there wasn’t a lot of time left to save the 2011-12 season.

The courts move slowly, but the union has reached its breaking point. It has gone to the one, big card it could play.

The reaction of the owners will be to hunker down, play hardball and try to force their entire wish list — such as salary rollbacks and a hard salary cap — on the players. The owners are not going to be scared by this at all.

Basically, Commissioner Stern is going to let his hardliners have the run of the place. Guys who were already willing to miss a season get to have their way.

Meanwhile, NBA fans lose. And so does the league.

“This is where it stops for us as a union,” said Derek Fisher, union president.

It might be where a lot of fans stop if a full season is lost. But the union is moving forward with these plans.

According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo, several players have hired top anti-trust attorney David Boies. If the name is familiar, he was involved in the NFL’s anti-trust cases. Boies is the guy who had the anti-trust cases against Microsoft (and had some success there) and he was they guy representing Al Gore in Gore vs. Bush.

Technically, what this legal move does is turn the union into a “trade association” that works for the players but does not represent them in negotiating a CBA. Ultimately when a deal is struck, the union will reform.

Stern did not back down in an interview on ESPN, saying the players got bad advice on negotiating tactics if this was their move.

“It’s not going to work,” Stern said. “If they were going to do this, maybe they should have done this a long time ago so we had a chance to save the season. But they seem hell-bent on self-destruction.”

The league already has filed a lawsuit trying to block decertification of the union, and there have been arguments on the players’ efforts to have that case dismissed (but no ruling yet). That situation just becomes a lot more messy.

The players’ announcement came after about a four-hour meeting where about 50 players were looking at a take-it-or-leave-it offer from the league. That deal offered the players a 50/50 share of league revenue (once the owners took a healthy cut of expenses off the top) and a much more restrictive system of player movement than had been allowed before. The offer the players had wanted would have returned about $280 million a season (in last year’s dollars) to the owners, but the players wanted a less restrictive system. The owners had long said the two were not tied. It wanted both the money and the system changes.

Stern has said that if the players rejected this offer, the owners would counter with a “reset” offer that would give the players just 47 percent of basketball related income (down from 50 in the last offer and 57 percent last season) and a hard salary cap. The players’ meeting was well-attended and featured not only team representatives but also Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony, Russell Westbrook and many other star players. They all raised their hands in the press conference and said they supported this move.

Stern has warned the players against decertification and called it a “nuclear option.” The players just pushed the button.

It is a dark, dark day for the NBA.

156 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. dumbasdirt - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:12 PM

    Congratulations to the players for NOT accepting a “Bad Deal” from the owners. If the anititrust suit fails then the players will have accomplished the following:

    1. Given up about 2 Billion dollars in game checks for this season. Money that is lost forever and money that they will never be able to get back.

    2. Voided out the big contracts that were signed over the last few years. Money that is lost and that the players will never be able to get back.

    3. Before the start of next season the owners will ask the players if they want to play again. Some players will come back and play for less money and some won’t and will stay unemployed. The owners will fill in roster spots with draft picks, players that are now playing in other countries, and other free agent players.

    4. NBA revenues will be down 25%-50% next season because fans are angry and many fans will go to fewer games or no games at all. Owners will have to lower ticket prices to try to win the fans back.

    5. The percentages that players get in the future will be less, and with less total revenue that means a lot less money for the players over the next several years. .

    The players showed those “greedy” owners that they can’t be pushed around.

    • skids003 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:25 PM

      So they sue with an antitrust lawsuit. Are they “owed” a job and huge paycheck? I didn’t realize the players were entitled to everything except risk toward a loss.

      • tastybasslines - Nov 14, 2011 at 5:16 PM

        A real anti trust lawsuit would take many years, not one season. This whole show is a complete joke. I will never support Derek Fisher or any of the players again.

    • Ron - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM

      Don’t forget 6. Local cities that provided funds and tax incentives for new arena’s to be built are going to take a hit because of lost revenue.

      I don’t follow basketball and haven’t followed this too much. But, like everyone else, the players are entitled to decline the offer if they feel they should get paid more for what they do. Unfortunately, the impacts are a lot greater than just the owners and players.

    • ibejeph - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:19 PM

      Of course it was a bad deal. They would have given back all the gains of the past and various other contacts that would greatly sapp the wealth of their union.

      Everything you are saying could also be thrown at the owners feet. The players wanted the exceptions to stay, luxury taxes relaxed and no hard cap….they gave back tons of money in percentage points but the owners refused to budge.

      Point the stink finger at the owners for refusing to negotiate and pushing the union to decertify. The union did what it had to do to be heard.

      • bballdragon - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:29 PM

        This whole situtation is both the players and the owners fault.


      • bballdragon - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:48 PM

        Both parties are at fault:

        The owners from the start should not be offering 60 million dollars to players when there are 100 more out there that can out play the current talent. Bringing in new players in the future I would start them off at 1 – 2 million a year (this is more than what you or me make is 10 years) with an increase of 10% – 20% increase with a bonus 1 million dollar sign on bonus if the contract is a year to year or a 2 million dollar bonus for a 5 year contract. Both contracts will also gain you some NBA profits.
        If the owners stop offering these way out contracts they would not be in this situtation where everyone have lost the love of the game. To both parties its about who name will show up on Forbes as the money maker.
        Stop wasting your money on BS stuff and maybe you would not look like you are so damn hungery all the time. Blowing on wine that cost you up to 100k in the club, paying 300K for a vehicle you can only drive at select times of the day and month. And having all these babies only to cry broke when that stardom is no longer in you life. First, get a damn vasectomy!!!!!!! My apologies ladies but there are some skanks out there. Players, the proceedure is reversable. It will save you a lot of money (almost 10 mill per year) and a lot of possible future bad press and legal fees.
        Next, get a damn prenup before you tie the knot!!!! You will save over HALF of your fortune. If the lady of your life do not want to sign a prenup, HELLLOOOO!!!!! MESSAGE!!!!!
        You are a damn superstar, move on to the next lady!!! Wow it kills me to see the news about these guys getting hit up with 55k child support per child. There are parents out there who do not even come close to this.

        Players waste a lot of money on BS, Owners waste a lot of money on BS. There have to be a breaking point. For the love of the game someone need to open both parties eyes.
        Owners, get your players financial help. Also et them some help about how to act in the public and offer a vasectomy!!
        Remind these guys that they will only be playing bball for 10 years max. Paying 55k per month x 3 kids per month for 18 years and some states 19 – 20 years.

    • snotienose - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM

      Greedy Owners, huh? I think it’s funny that the Union has caused this, sounds more like the Greedy Union to me. Why else would the players want to decertify the Union. Take a pay cut to what your worth, play ball, and quit whining.

      • wickedpawz - Nov 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM

        Get it straight GREEDY PLAYERS need to be replaced .

    • golfdunk - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:17 PM

      1. Never went to an NBA game to watch the owners play.
      2. federal courts have always ruled in players favor.
      3. Time to set up player/city owned NBA league w/o money hungry…. publicity hungry owners.

      • oddlittlemonkey - Nov 14, 2011 at 6:42 PM

        where were you doing the NFL lockout federal court RULED IN THE OWNERS FAVOR always have and always will

      • yournuts - Nov 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM

        If we did that then the players would receive even less than the owners offered! How stupid is this comment. Like we want to give the players more money than the league? Who would guarantee the contracts? the players? give me a break.

    • whocares34 - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM

      Are you crazy? This is a “lockout” not a “strike” so it is the owners fault. Remember that these teams play in taxpayer funded stadiums.

      Thanks to the owners for breaking the union. These welfare queen a**holes are on par with lloyd blankfein and jamie dimon. Unmititgated douc**bags.

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 14, 2011 at 7:24 PM

      The average basketball player salary in 1968 was $20,000. The average basketball salary in 2008-2009 was $5.356 million. Which means that salaries increased almost 270 times in 40 years. Average school teacher gets $40,000 a year so an average basketball player gets 135 times more yearly salary than the teacher of your children.
      Yes! It is time to drastically shrink the salaries of these people with super egos and put them on salaries that realistically reflect American values. The salary of the president of the U.S. is $400,000 so on average each player of the NBA gets 13.5 times more money than the president of the U.S.
      I never watch basketball. And even if the average NBA player were paid $400,000 for half a year’s work, it would be a hell of a lot of money.

    • wickedpawz - Nov 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM

      Players are OVER PAID there needs to a players cap CUT. Stop the crying or find other players that would take the game. Out with the Bling Bling 20m pimp out ride 100 m crib. NBA lost its backbone. Players crying about this and that. I would rather watch little ppl trying out for the NBA.

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 15, 2011 at 6:15 AM

      Time to hand the game back to the fans. Cut these ridiculous costs and put the players on a decent good salary based on production. So much $$ for scoring, so much for defense, so much per minute played, so much for each steal, so much for foul shots, so much for averages etc. Not a contract that guarantees whether they produce or not.
      What makes these people so special than the regular person who watches the game?
      Mean income for U.S. people in 1968 was $9,700 and for basketball players $20,000. Now basketball players only play half a year. Now the mean income of U.S. people is $42,000 and for basketball players, $5,360,000 or 127 times more.
      Players, owners, managers all are extremely greedy and need to be taught a huge lesson. Get costs in line with what people WANT to pay and fuc* these greedy superego players and owners. Get them back to earth. And if it takes firing every single one, then do it.

    • MarkT - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM

      I’m certainly no fan of the thug players that make up the NBAPA and think it will be hilarious to watch them run out of money but I really can’t feel bad for the owners either.

      No one is putting a gun to an owners head and forcing him to sign players to these ridiculous contracts. Teams like the Atlanta Hawks that sign mediocre players like Joe Johnson to ridiculous 6 year/$120 million contracts quite frankly deserve to go bankrupt. Maybe if a few stupid owners go bankrupt and fold their teams we can get real owners in the sport that don’t need a CBA to protect themselves from their own stupidity.

  2. Chris Fiorentino - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    If they do this, the next CBA will be less than a 50/50 split for the players. And we will definitely see a hard cap. Guaranteed. This is a very sad day for the NBA. I think Kurt is underplaying the effects…we may not see NBA hoops until November 2013. And it will be a whole different league. All over basically a couple percentage points, and the salaries for the 9th and 10th men on the bench. Unbelievable.

  3. SmackSaw - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    The NBA as we know it is finished. Players will migrate to other countries. The league should take this opportunity to reorganize. Contraction should be the first order of business. Time to start over.

    • yournuts - Nov 14, 2011 at 8:42 PM

      Replacement players are in order. I think the owners should start forming another league with replacement players asap. It’s time we show the NBAPA that they are not who they think they are. Hopefully when the league starts up they will see the light.
      So tell me players, how many years do you have to earn this kind of money that you lost this year? How did you like biting the hand that feeds you? Yes NBAPA the fans are solidly behind the owners. I would say 80% of the people are disgusted with you.

  4. vikesfansteve - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM

    The NBA is a sport that will not be missed. Players have severely misjudged that part. If the season is cancelled it won’t be noticed. Next year the regular players who don’t have huge salaries are going to be broke & the rich players are going to notice the financial hardship because instead of saving money they bought homes & cars & jewelry. Then they are going to end up signing a deal worse than what they are offered now. Look at hockey, same thing happened there.

    • bballdragon - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:09 PM

      Or the owners need to take this time to revamp the NBA. Get some guys from all around who wants to play and will accept a reasonable pay check. Also ive the current players a chance to come back to the NBA. The rest, the hell with them. No one told so&so from the hornets to go mary, suzie, and marsha prenant because you was showing off in the club flashing money like you got it like that. And now your stuck with paying for 3 homes, 3 60k per month child support, and more because the ladies you knocked up is 50x smarter than you and you fell for the oldest scam in NBA history. And to keep them quiet you pay more.

      10 years later, you are a has been or your knees are blown out and you can’t play anymore. Yor cars are taken because you can’t keep up the payments. Your homes, foreclosure. Your baby momas do not care what situtation you are in because the money is not flowing into their home like they are use too. So they go to the media and courts and make a day time drama out of it.
      I hope this is a reality check for both the owners and players. The owners need to stop over paying these guys when their body will only last 4-5 years tops before the next generation steps in and upstage that player.

      For the love of the game, someone within these two parties need to step up.

      Sorry I am pissed that Basketball suffered this way. I was looking forward to this season.

    • irish2u2 - Nov 14, 2011 at 6:07 PM

      Apples and Oranges. Hockey was on the edge of the abyss and almost every team was losing BIG money. The hockey players had to agree to huge concessions because the NHL was on the verge of collapse. Pro basketball is coming off a record setting season for revenues and popularity. Contrary to what one poster here believes the NBA’s stated losses were not substantiated. That would have required a full audit of all 30 teams. Forbes has the NBA making a profit and 17 teams losing money but nearly all the franchises are more valuable now then when the owners bought them. For instance one of the NBA’s worst owners is the Clippers Donald Sterling. He spent 13 million for them in 1981 and they are worth well over 300 million now. Another “bad” owner is the Knicks James Dolan. Cablevision bought the Knicks for 300 million in 1997. They are worth more than 650 million now and despite his many, many mistakes they still make money every season.

      If you are not a fan of the NBA why post here? Clearly the NBA will be missed. By hundreds of millions of fans throughout the planet including me.

      • vikesfansteve - Nov 15, 2011 at 4:46 PM

        nope, you are wrong about being missed by hundreds of millions of fans. So wrong. What a stupid comment. That’s what the players think too & that is just not the case.

  5. micklethepickle - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM

    Wow, let’s hope that in the now extended period without the NBA, NBC can find someone to run PBT that understands there’s more than 1 side to a story. That would be almost as good as having a competitive league…

  6. jayrandle - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM

    Congratulations David Stern and the Owners…
    This is what you wanted and this is what you got…
    They were never interested in working fairly with the Players on a deal.
    Narrow minding bias folks will blame the players…but nobody deserves to be bullied and force to do anything that is not in the best interest of the fans and themselves.

    I applaud the Players for standing up to David Stern.

    Its easy to blame the players because they are the face of the NBA…3/4 of the owners we dont even know by name…but trust me…

    How can you say you losing $300 million dollars (no proof)…the Players have given you up to $400 at your request and that is not enough!
    Who is really greedy?…and that is just 1 example of the Owners trying to go for the ‘kill’ with a new CBA.

    The Players make the Owners money…(dont believe me)
    Google…the value of The Cleveland Cavs with Lebron James as their star…
    And google the value of the Cavs after Lebron James left…

    This is sad…
    If the Owners truly care about the fans and the people that make a living with the NBA and their teams they would have atleast try to be somewhat fair and saved this season.

    • skids003 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:27 PM

      Actually, if the players cared about the fans……

    • dcipher80 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM

      “The Players make the Owners money…(dont believe me)
      Google…the value of The Cleveland Cavs with Lebron James as their star…
      And google the value of the Cavs after Lebron James left…”

      That is a huge part of the problem. A local kid gets drafted by his “home” team and jumps ship to play ball with his friends and take the easiest road possible to a championship. I don’t blame the owners for wanting to put the breaks on that and we as the fans should want them to (unless you’re the fan of a big payroll team, then you don’t understand what the big deal is).

      • ibejeph - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM

        This is a bunch of BS.

        You, as an individual, are allowed to work and live anywhere you want to. You can move to New York tomorrow or maybe to Phoenix. No one can tell you where to go. As long as you have the means, you are free to go wherever you wish.

        How does that logic not apply to NBA players? They sign a contact and play it out, they should be able to go wherever they want.

        If they want to leave the franchise you root for, more power to them. This is America, freedom matters.

      • dcipher80 - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:45 PM

        I’ve heard that argument before, but your every day worker doesn’t get equal competing offers from every state in the union from equally prestigous companies. That’s what the players want. They have the right to play where ever, but may have to take less money to do so. That’s a real life grown up decision that plenty of people have to make daily.

    • therealhtj - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:46 PM

      Actually the owners offered up audited records to backup up their claims. The Union just chose not to believe them. The 7% give back amounts to $280mil, not 400.

      Truth is the players still get to have lousy, guaranteed contracts – which was really the worst thing in the NBA. How can they really complain.

      But oh well, can’t wait til everyone gets their contracts voided and the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Knicks, and Heat can all build superteams. Wait, isn’t that what we already have?

      • dcipher80 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM

        If they voided all the contracts, how would you dole out the talent when it all comes back? A total league wide draft? If so, that’d be nuts… and the product would be better than what we have now.

      • bballdragon - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM

        If the NBA do a Nation Wide draft, they need to educate these guys about personal finances, woman (or men) relationships, and any other BS that happened within the last 10 years.

        I am extremely confident the owners can find new players and new talents. Keep basketball going, and stop the crazy 60$ mill contracts.

        If they bring everyone onboard at the same pay range and let them earn their way to making another 10 mill.

      • Kurt Helin - Nov 14, 2011 at 6:19 PM

        If you think lesser talented players makes as interesting a league, you have not watched a lot of European ball.

      • bballdragon - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:09 AM

        Kurt, there are a lot of basketball talent in the US. You should see some of the guys that play down at your courts in the city or check out the colleges. March Madness games??? These college guys play their hearts out just to get notice to make it into the pros. I understand the players reasons, but the players work for the owners, not the other way around. Of course the owners are looking to make a profit because they have invested a lot of their own money to make things happen within their respected teams.

        The players truly need to realize they are making over 5000% than what an average worker who have to bust their asses and take crap from crappy bosses everyday on a 9 – 5 job. The job market is so bad, the average worker have to take crap to support their families.

        The owners have operation expenses, state and city expenses to deal with. All a player have to do is get out there and play to win.
        If the players truly love the game they would not go to these lengths just to get their pockets full because they blew thier money on BS.

        The owners need to move on to phase 3 and start voiding contracts and take this time to rebuild the NBA. Bring in some fresh players and do your contracts right. Do away these 60 mill contracts. For what?!?! To go thru this all over again?

        Void the contracts, move on hiring some new players. A nation wide draft is needed to keep basketball going.
        If the owners win the courts over, some players will resign, or play so crappy the NBA will force them out. It will not be the same. Watch and see what happens.

    • whoknows2012 - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:29 PM

      So jayrandle what you’re saying is, employees of a business should be entitled to 50%+ of profits for going to work? The owners are the ones taking the risk, the players get paid regardless, and too much at that. The players are simply over-estimating their importance. The owners will have plenty of money for a long time while most players are one bill away from broke!

    • snotienose - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:13 PM

      They play too many games, it’s boring. The players are too arrogant and look like thugs with all the tattoos on them. They make way too much money and can’t handle it. This is making my nose run……….

      • leearmon - Nov 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM

        Exactly how does Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Kevin Durant look like thugs again? I do applaud you for actually being honest though. I believe unfortunately most “pro-owners” posters believe like you.

    • yournuts - Nov 14, 2011 at 8:46 PM

      Lets see how much LeBron James can make without the NBA? If LeBron isn’t playing he’s not making scratch. I think that all the endorsements deals will end too. Everything he is, and I mean everything is because of the League.

  7. skids003 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:24 PM

    So now the players are “owed” a job and huge salaries. I just cannot believe the mentality of some people. That’s what’s wrong with America these days, everyone thinks it’s owed them.

    • n2thaizzo - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM

      The players are owed what they are worth. If you get offered a position, at whatever salary, you have the right to turn it down if you believe it’s a low offer. That’s the players position, and I applaud them for standing up. If it causes a lost season, so be it. The owners did this trying to be greedy.

      • ibejeph - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:26 PM

        That’s what it is, right there. The owners being greedy.

        People see how many millions the players make and forget that the owners are worth BILLIONS.

        Those B-ball players have more in common with most Americans than the owners do.

        Players generally come from the inner city, grew up poverty stricken and were driven to succeed to make a better life for themselves and their families.

        Owners went to prep school, joined private faternities at ivy league (or equivalent) colleges and earned their money through back room deals. Their money buys connects you can only dream of.

        Those defending the owners are defending everything wrong with this country. This is labor standing up for what is fair.

      • thglif52 - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:28 PM

        This is not labor. This is a bunch of guys getting paid millions of dollars in salaries and endorsements to play a game for a living. They should have realized this before voting down the latest proposal and possibly dooming the season and their future contracts as well.

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 15, 2011 at 6:29 AM

        There are at least 100 basketball players from all the colleges and universities and foreign countries who want every job available on the U.S. teams. Throw the camps open and have open try outs and decent but not ridiculous salaries $200,000 a year and see how many hundreds of thousands line up for the jobs. You are going to get a huge number of enthusiastic young aggressive athletes fighting for that money! And players can audition for any team they want.
        Then you can pay $20 for a seat, $5.00 for a hotdog and $3.00 for a beer and $5.00 for parking.
        Many hockey teams are failing. Time to reform all professional sports and this is a great chance to show baseball and football what can be done with greedy ego centric players and owners.

  8. danielcp0303 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM

    Adrian Wojnarowski said it best. “This is Stern’s worst nightmare. Owners could’ve mildly relented on few system issues, and ended this weeks ago. Now, all hell breaks loose.”

  9. leearmon - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM

    I guess now we’ll see what type of business acumen these owners have. Because once there is finally a season, who will want to spend money to see the product? How profitable will the Hornets, Kings Warriors etc be? How competitive will the Magic be once ball resumes considering Howard will be a free agent and they have lost all possible means of getting anything back from them? It seems like the owners cut their noses off despite their face on this one. Yes the players will lose in the short-term but if you are an owner who just recently spent $350 million on a team, god knows how much on an arena and surrounding area. How long before you see a return on your investment now?

    • therealhtj - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:02 PM

      Easy, every work stoppage in professional sports history eventually led to the players capitulating and the fans coming back. Why should this time be any different?

      • leearmon - Nov 14, 2011 at 5:13 PM

        Because the large elephant in the room that exists in the NBA unlike other leagues is that many of the “fans” of the NBA do not like the actual players. I will leave it at that, and let everyone else draw their own conclusions as to why, but I can’t for the life of me remember during hockey’s lockout a few years back “fans” saying “The players look like thugs” or “The owners need to set the players straight” “Take the league back” “Teach them a lesson”.

        Baseball was smack dab in the middle of a major drug problem during their work stoppage of the 90s but the vitriol was no where near as strong then as it is now. I have my personal feelings as to why this is, and would love for this site or another national outlet to give their thoughts as to why it is. I doubt PBT will do it, but if you had the correct writer who could address this sensitive topic without being overly dismissive or use the “new age slavery” position it would be a terrific read.

        Oh well, heres to NBA T.V. or Spike picking up some European league games on T.V.

  10. lunasceiling - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM

    So…the owners cooked the books to make it look like they “lost” $300 million. The players offer more than made up for that “loss.” And this mess is, according to some, the players’ fault? Yeah, right…

    • jgib23 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:49 PM

      The owners didn’t “Cook” the books, they were validated using GAAP. If you have a problem with the tax code vote for Herman Cain.

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:14 PM

        If you like pea brained, evangelical right wing nuts, vote for Herman Cain.

  11. mogogo1 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM

    Seemingly lost on the players is this simple bit of math: If your career is only a few short years on average, you will never regain a lost year’s salary, even if you somehow work a deal where you get a raise starting next year. Your career simply won’t be long enough to make up what was lost. I think the superstars and the union “leadership” have doomed a lot of the rank-and-file players to the poor house.

    • n2thaizzo - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM

      You think these players care about a lost year? Trust me, if regular people can survive a year plus without “regular” salaries, the players can survive a year without theirs.

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 15, 2011 at 6:37 AM

        Many stars are blinded by the big numbers and overspend and borrow what they can’t think they are going to earn. It has happened thousands of times. It happens all the time to the people who win huge lotteries. They think the money is never going to end and they spend.
        The players have managers but not business managers and they sure as hell are not going to think about saving money, putting them in trusts, estate management or even doing a simple exercise as spending 20% and saving 80% after taxes and just buying stocks that give 10% dividends and only paying 15% taxes. 95% of the people don’t know how to handle money and don’t want to learn how to handle it. That is why so few people are wealthy, they blow their paychecks. Why should these jocks be any different?
        Remember Lenny Dykstra, Mickey Mantle, they both went broke. Mantle was notorious for his bad investments. I believe Dyskstra is in jail.

  12. dcipher80 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM

    I’m pro owner but this sucks. Been a loyal, merchanise, ticket buying fan since the early 90’s and this makes me question whether I wanna support the league any longer. It’s obvious to everyone that big market teams have a huge advantage. The only argument is if this is acceptable. This is America, we should be rewarding the best, most innovative front offices not the biggest markets/richest teams. The owners may just be trying to save money but it can be packaged in a way that appeals to most die hard fans. The players response is so short sighted and selfish. We, the fans, pay your salaries. The fans of the Blazers, Rockets, Pacers, Bucks, Hornets, etc mean just as much as the fans of the Celtics, Lakers, and Knicks and we don’t want you to be able to Lebron us every chance you get. We want to be able to support our local team and see good basketball. Billy Hunter is inept. Derek Fisher is an unqualified failure as a representative. Good Riddance NBPA.

  13. thejokewriter - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM

    With no NBA, the networks will haveTV slots to fill. Hopefully, they’ll bring back Barrel-Jumping, Racquetball and the Highland Games…Not to mention Snooker.

  14. visnovsky - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM

    It is hilarious that the players do not understand the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction.

  15. silk32 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM

    In 1989 famed Wall Street trader, Michael Milken, was given an “exploding offer” by the US Attorney General (Rudy Giuliani) for insider trading and racketeering charges. The first offer was a guilty plea on a single felony, but Milken dragged his feet. After his co-workers testified against him, injuring his case, a broken Milken eventually finally pled to six felony counts and a payment of $600 million – the worst trade of his life. How would Milken advise the NBA players on their lockout with the owners?


  16. gratefuled19 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:43 PM

    The first step toward solving this is to get rid of David Stern and find a new commissioner who is not a shill for the owners. And while they’re at it, restrict the commissioners power to throw fines around like the king of the league. If owners want to criticize referees, they should have the right. Now, Stern behaves like he head of the Gestapo, doing all he can to silence critics of a broken league. He would do well to accept some of that criticism.

  17. acieu - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    Headline is a lie. The Players didn’t vote the players reps did. If this went to full membership it would pass.

  18. 8man - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:49 PM

    They’ve still got at least sixty days to get something done and be able to play 50 games.

    We’ll see where the players are after wading through three major holidays while they watch their meal ticket dissolve.

    This ain’t over.

  19. rdssc - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:49 PM

    NBA owners this day will haunt you forever.

  20. southbeachtalent - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:56 PM

    Truth of the matter is no one knows all of the nuances in the rejected agreement. For fans to demand the players take it is ubsurd. Me, I’m more of a football fan and will continue to enjoy Sundays, despite my horrible Dolphins.

    Small market owners won…I guess.. No money for anyone..

    • dcipher80 - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM

      Calling the fans ubsurd is absurd.

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM

        How bout calling them useful idiots for the rich!

  21. huskersrock1 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM

    Congratulations players! The lawyers talked you into this suicide run because they bill by the hour.


  22. lejos77 - Nov 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM

    “Basically, David Stern is going to his hardliners have the run of the place. Guys who were already willing to miss a season.”

    –Are these sentences? Geez! I know it’s happening fast, but let’s proofread.

  23. jdillydawg - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:01 PM

    On the upside, I’ve just saved a bundle on buying tickets to the games.

    Oh wait, Seattle doesn’t even have a team. Tell me why I care again? Oh right, because while unemployment in the country stretches to 20% or so, it’s important that we figure out ways to make the rich richer.

    Tell you what, NBA. As owners, why don’t you toss some of those profits the fans way? I dunno, maybe drop ticket prices a bit? Charge less than $12 for an 8oz cup of beer? Charge me a reasonable price for a burger?

    As for the players, why don’t you toss a little love the fans’ way as well? Gee, I bet if you both worked together, you could all wind up really rich still and provide entertainment that the common man could actually afford.

    Sorry, NBA. But I for one, ain’t gonna miss ya.

    • dunkeroo - Nov 14, 2011 at 5:28 PM

      Right on Dawg!
      At a players mansion this morning on waking up: Oh boy! Today I get to go stand in front of cameras in my $1000 suit and my diamond bling! Can’t wait till my boys see my Bentley, no uh, think I’ll take the Ferrari. Now, let’s see, what does this all mean? Naw, that couldn’t happen, could it? You better believe it. You can find remedial english courses on line cheap. You know that one you skipped when you were a “student athlete”. Suggest you start preparing for that interview now.

  24. irish2u2 - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:01 PM

    We can point fingers at both sides but the end result is the fans and those who don’t play basketball but depend on pro basketball for their livelihoods took one in the head. Of course the players can survive a year without their paychecks but can the hotdog vendor survive a season without a paycheck? The ticket takers? The businesses in the general area of the pro arenas who depend on fans spending to survive?

    The owners are going to want to recoup their losses for this season by being even more hard line about the CBA. The players will never make up the revenue lost from this season. After two and a half years of negotiating the sides are even further apart than they ever were and now you have to factor in emotion because the players are plainly pissed.

    Here is the kicker. Some lawyer convinced the NBAPA that they could fight this in the courts. Maybe I’m cynical but whoever the legal counsel was they get paid whether they win or lose and a lot of very good legal minds believe the players will not win. So while the owners, players, staff, assorted satellite workers and the fans lose at least one law firm will make money out of all this and that is a microcosm of what is really wrong with the system in the first place. They might as well make it illegal to use common sense in any dealing because it sure feels like common sense is the enemy and not the friend of those in power.

    • rlquall - Nov 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM

      If your living is depending on 41 nights a year as a hot dog vendor you don’t have much of a living. That having been said, I feel for all those people like arena set-up people who will probably be cut back from full- to part-time for the duration of this. Even the hot dog/beer vendors and the like were probably counting on this for Christmas and some of them will probably lose their cars, campers, fishing boats etc. Hope no one loses their home over being laid off as an NBA beer vendor. They aren’t likely to have $350K in “bling” around their neck to go and pawn!

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 15, 2011 at 6:45 AM

        All these part time workers have other sources of income. Like all of us they have to tighten their belts. I have more dinners at home and make spaghetti, lasagna and meatloaf, damn good too! What you don’t know is that these hot shot players went out and got mortgages and those mortgages got to paid along with private schooling for their kids. And their wives and girl friends are nagging for the riches they thought these hot shots were supposed to bring home every week.
        The owners don’t depend on these teams as their sole source of income. They are play toys for them. The players are the ones who are over the barrel and the owners should extend the time they are strapped for cash as long as possible. Then we can have a game with enthusiastic players at reasonable prices.

  25. mikeyd22 - Nov 14, 2011 at 3:04 PM

    OMG, what will I do now??? How will I possibly find a replacement sport to watch 10 selfish overpaid thugs jog up and down a basketball court? Oh…wait a second….I’ve got Big East basketball. Never mind.

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