Comments on: Details of owners’ latest offer emerge, just last offer tweaked

By: mytthor

mytthor — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:15:27 +0000

Tell me if this idea is crazy; a team can sign any player they draft or acquire during a draft day trade to a max contract. Other than that they can only sign 1 player at a time to a max contract. There would have to be rules in place as far as what constitutes a “max contract” to prevent just signing a guy to a contract for 10 dollars less. But under a rule like that, a team can have 1 superstar, 2 or more if they are amazing in the draft. Movement is restricted, good organizations are rewarded.

By: leearmon

leearmon — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:09:01 +0000

PBT didn’t post my response to the realhtj so I’m going to try this again. Originally posted at 10:49am

Uh last time I checked, the Spurs paid a lot of money to keep Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. Since when did San Antonio become a large market? Need another example? When Lebron played in Cleveland I remember the Cavs spending close to $67 million in free agency for Larry Hughes then bringing in Ben Wallace who was greatly over paid in addition to the corpse of Wally Szcerbiak. Still not enough? Orlando in each of the last two seasons brought in two high priced players (Vince Carter & Gilbert Arenas) then traded for Hedo Turkoglu and his albatross contract in addition to Howard and Rashard Lewis

. Since you have forgotten or failed to mention those above examples, Im going to assume you are not aware of the specifics of the NBA and contracts. Rookie wages, even after they become restricted free agents are still well below that of players who reach full free agency. Meaning whatever Westbrook gets, it will still be less than a contract of say Arenas, Carter, Ginobili etc. However, in the old CBA teams were not penalized as harshly for going over the cap. As I stated earlier, teams in all market sizes have gone over the cap. The Spurs represent the best example of a small market team going over the cap just to re-sign their own players. So to say “There was no was under the old system a tiny market lie OKC was going to pay 2 max or near max guys…” is just categorically false.

By: leearmon

leearmon — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:56:22 +0000

Also, and im not sure PBT will even post this, as it seems they have a problem with me. But if the harshness of the new CBA and the work stoppage that has gone along with it, is because of the Miami Heat. People need to understand that MIAMI DID NOT WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. Were getting a little carried away with a team that finished second. Especially when you consider Lebron has shown his personal struggles in the clutch, and the guy who flourishes in crunch time (Dwyane Wade) will be 30 in 3 months and has seen his effectiveness steadily decrease in the last 3 years.

By: leearmon

leearmon — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:49:47 +0000

By: therealhtj

therealhtj — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:30:45 +0000

There was no was under the old system a tiny market like OKC was going to pay 2 max or near max guys and 3 other guys making 7mil +, so what made you think there was any chance they’d be able to pay them under a new, even more restrictive one? Bird rights seem like they’re still in place, but is OKC going to pay a more punitive luxury tax to keep all of them? Doubtful.

This new CBA is about limiting spending and preventing another Miami scenario. It’s not about competitive balance. It’s about money, plain and simple. The competitive balance argument flew out the window when the owners backed away from the hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts.

By: greatminnesotasportsmind

greatminnesotasportsmind — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:58:30 +0000

Unbelieveable. If your going to walk away from a 50/50 split, I sure as hell hope the owners hold an even harder line and the best you get is 47/53. Stop being greedy and screwing the fans over.

By: leearmon

leearmon — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:20:19 +0000

Do you have any idea on the details / restrictions of teams going over the cap to re-sign their own players? I just wonder the syllogism behind making such strict rules for going over the cap. The Thunder in two seasons will have a big decision on their hands if these hard caps system rules are in place. The market will be great for Westbrook & Ibaka. If OKC wants to keep THEIR talent together they are going to have to pay the luxury tax. GM’s will fight over offering Westbrook a ridiculous contract. You can hear them now “A young PG who’s athletic, can rebound and score in bunches. We’ve got the next D-Rose”

Instead they’ll make Westbrook the next Marbury. Forcing OKC to either max him out (which is the wrong idea) or not match an offer sheet. Same thing goes for Ibaka and Harden. The way i’ve interpreted the “hard cap rules” makes it next to impossible for OKC to keep their core 4 together.

Please let us know if they addressed that. Because if they didnt it just shows you how off base the owners are. While the idea is to punish big spending teams to sign free agents, it looks like it hurts teams who do it the right way. I.e. building through the draft.