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	<title>Comments on: Union leaders to talk, just don’t expect a vote on Stern’s plan</title>
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		<title>By: dcipher80</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There may be a push from some in the union to get a vote on it (because it might well pass) but union leadership — including director Billy Hunter and president Derek Fisher — sees the as Stern and the owners being bullies and the players will not give in.&quot;

Exactly why you shouldn&#039;t have Billy Hunter and Fisher leading the charge.  If they don&#039;t represent the wishes of the majority of their constituents then they should be given a vote of no confidence.  I can understand why the players don&#039;t like the proposal (they want to make the most money they can in whatever market they want)  and that&#039;s fine but the owners want to make the nba more profitable and competitive which creates a better situation for everyone (fans, owners, and even the players).  Let the NBA start contracting (and it&#039;s close to that in a few markets) because the lack of profits and the system scaring off potential buyers, then we&#039;ll see if Fisher and Hunter will support the out of work players and their families.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There may be a push from some in the union to get a vote on it (because it might well pass) but union leadership — including director Billy Hunter and president Derek Fisher — sees the as Stern and the owners being bullies and the players will not give in.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly why you shouldn&#8217;t have Billy Hunter and Fisher leading the charge.  If they don&#8217;t represent the wishes of the majority of their constituents then they should be given a vote of no confidence.  I can understand why the players don&#8217;t like the proposal (they want to make the most money they can in whatever market they want)  and that&#8217;s fine but the owners want to make the nba more profitable and competitive which creates a better situation for everyone (fans, owners, and even the players).  Let the NBA start contracting (and it&#8217;s close to that in a few markets) because the lack of profits and the system scaring off potential buyers, then we&#8217;ll see if Fisher and Hunter will support the out of work players and their families.</p>
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		<title>By: hail2tharedskins</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before the union leadership sits down to plan their course of action, they have a duty to the membership they (are suppose to) represent to see if they are satisified with the current offer on the table and get back to work.  But of course since that doesn&#039;t paint the union leadership in the best light they won&#039;t do that regardless of whether or not the that&#039;s what the people they represent want.

Considering that a decertification (which I think is nothing but a bluff) would sacrifice the entire season, if a majority of players really would accept the current offer to return to work there would be a great chance that once the union decertified there would be a new push to start a new union before next season and leave the current union leadership behind and undercut any anti-trust suit.  If it were to play out that way, a new union with even less leverage would be accepting a lesser deal than the one currently on the table.

I say give the actual players (not union leadership) a chance to vote on the current proposal, if the players reject it then they have their mandate to keep fighting, but if the deal is accepted then you can end this thing and move on.  The union can even recommend that the players reject the deal before giving them the chance to vote, but at least give them a chance to vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the union leadership sits down to plan their course of action, they have a duty to the membership they (are suppose to) represent to see if they are satisified with the current offer on the table and get back to work.  But of course since that doesn&#8217;t paint the union leadership in the best light they won&#8217;t do that regardless of whether or not the that&#8217;s what the people they represent want.</p>
<p>Considering that a decertification (which I think is nothing but a bluff) would sacrifice the entire season, if a majority of players really would accept the current offer to return to work there would be a great chance that once the union decertified there would be a new push to start a new union before next season and leave the current union leadership behind and undercut any anti-trust suit.  If it were to play out that way, a new union with even less leverage would be accepting a lesser deal than the one currently on the table.</p>
<p>I say give the actual players (not union leadership) a chance to vote on the current proposal, if the players reject it then they have their mandate to keep fighting, but if the deal is accepted then you can end this thing and move on.  The union can even recommend that the players reject the deal before giving them the chance to vote, but at least give them a chance to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: bestfffff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There may be a push from some in the union to get a vote on it (because it might well pass

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I thought the majority rules. If most  of the union is in favor of accepting the deal how can the minority hold it up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be a push from some in the union to get a vote on it (because it might well pass</p>
<p>That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. I thought the majority rules. If most  of the union is in favor of accepting the deal how can the minority hold it up?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, because why would they let the entire union vote on the league&#039;s latest offer(&quot;because it might well pass&quot; God Forbid!!!!) when they can just decertify and blow a whole season or two?  That&#039;s definitely the smart thing to do.  Good job, union leadership.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, because why would they let the entire union vote on the league&#8217;s latest offer(&#8220;because it might well pass&#8221; God Forbid!!!!) when they can just decertify and blow a whole season or two?  That&#8217;s definitely the smart thing to do.  Good job, union leadership.</p>
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