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Report: Dwyane Wade yelled at Stern during labor talks

Oct 1, 2011, 4:08 AM EDT

NBA basketball player Wade attends a showing of the Richard Chai Spring/Summer 2012 collection during New York Fashion Week Reuters

Dwyane Wade is now the hero to a lot of players.

Commissioner David Stern is the biggest power broker in these ongoing labor negotiations but Wade got in his face Friday. Wade went Dee Snider — he wasn’t going to take it anymore. During Friday’s talks it was Wade who stood up to and yelled at Stern at one point, leading a confrontation that nearly had players storming out of the negotiations.

Here is the direct quote, according to a tweet from ESPN’s Ric Bucher:

Source: David Stern pointed his finger at players while talking. Wade shouted, “You’re not pointing your finger at me. I’m not your child.”

Yea, these negotaitions are going great. Should have a deal in a couple days. Can’t see how that will be a problem.

ESPN’s Chris Broussard adds some details in his tweets.

Star players – LeBron, CP3, PPierce, Baron Davis, Melo, – were ready to leave meeting but Stern asked for private talk w/Billy Hunter….

Hunter then calmed stars down and got them to return to meeting. Players’ resolve stunned owners, sources said.

There are a lot of players that have wanted to yell at Stern over the years. Now one did. Wade spoke truth to power (at least from a players perspective). He almost took a flamethrower to the negotiations and made a point for the players in doing so.

Broussard’s point that the owners were stunned by the players resolve speaks a lot to these talks — the owners are finding the players less willing to cave in than they thought. Friday it was the players turn to be the hardliners. The players feel they have given back, they’re not just going to lie down and take it. They are going to fight for what they want.

Wade showed that and provided the drama out of Friday’s meeting. The other thing we heard from a source is that through all of the five hours of talks Friday the two sides have not really moved much closer together. A lot of ideas have been thrown around, and they will be again Saturday and beyond as the two sides talk. There was at least enough there for the two sides to get together again. But that is different than a breakthrough that will see labor peace.

But Wade made a breakthrough for a lot of players. He’s not going to take it, anymore.

  1. surly1n1nd1anapol1s - Oct 1, 2011 at 7:03 AM

    What a hero. More evidence that these guys are brutish. They behave nasty, usually have a short career, and a majority end up poor. Pointed his finger? How horrifying.

    • illmatic8582 - Oct 1, 2011 at 7:10 AM

      Mr. Stern, what are you doing here on probasketballtalk?

    • derekjetersmansion - Oct 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM

      We’re all in agreement that they are basically following the NFL model, right? Cancel 1 or 2 preseason games and start on time.

  2. barklikeadog - Oct 1, 2011 at 8:07 AM

    Who cares? The owners have more $ than players and will wait for the players to cave or end up in jail, whichever comes first.

    • 1historian - Oct 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM

      what you said sucks – but it’s true

      • derekjetersmansion - Oct 1, 2011 at 6:18 PM

        You need to spend money to make money.

  3. seanb20124 - Oct 1, 2011 at 8:08 AM

    Please cancel the season.

  4. hoosierdude - Oct 1, 2011 at 8:40 AM

    Mad that the boss pointed his finger at you? Wait till your next boss (at McDonald’s) fires your A$$ ’cause he doesn’t like your crap attitude.

  5. mojosmagic - Oct 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM

    Nobody cares about the NBA. Stern is trying to save the game for the fans and if it wasn’t for him guys like Wade would be working at Dick’s.

    • philtration - Oct 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM

      Instead of working with them.

  6. bleedgreen - Oct 1, 2011 at 9:41 AM

    Basketball isn’t like football where there is no place for the players to go play. They can go play in Europe or Asia and, maybe not be millionaires, but they can make a decent living. The owners would watch their franchises rot if the season was cancelled for a season or more.

  7. jmota222 - Oct 1, 2011 at 9:57 AM

    Stern had that one coming for a while now!! Congrats d- wade for holding your ground

  8. Gordon - Oct 1, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    Yeah, Wade is not a child…despite having a championship celebration before the season started..because that was a really mature thing to do.

  9. riders008 - Oct 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Who is david stern anyway…….so what he runs the nba ……..is he a king ,emperor or a president……..f ‘ him and all the owners……the players have the right to fight….what if ur boss came to u and said we have to lower ur salary….how many of u would take that….none of u would and none of the players will either…….this is not like the nfl lockout …here the owners over paid mediocore players and now they want those players to give the money back……too bad u made the mistake now live with it owners……damn i am so tired of this sh!t ……….and pointing a finger at me would make me want to yell at u too…….david stern show respect to the players and they will show respect back and not have to yell at u……….

    • Gordon - Oct 1, 2011 at 11:45 AM

      Huh?

    • minnysoda - Oct 2, 2011 at 11:32 PM

      Yea they could all be alot of Baby Daddy’s and let the gubment pay for their kids oh wait bad example. Maybe they could be great human beings and marry a Kardashian dang Ok they must be good guys and classy watch Basketball wives what a bunch o class You know most of these punks would be in jail they are scum bags who cares Basketball sucks Watch a real game watch football

  10. marcusfitzhugh - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:13 PM

    If Wade lost his cool and yelled at Stern because Stern pointed his finger during negotiations, it shows Wade’s lack of experience and immaturity in the area of “negotiations”. The players are currently being “offered” the same amount of money they made last year. If they don’t like the offer, they can make a counter offer. If no one can agree, keep cancelling games until it’s painful enough that both parties consent to something. If the players want to walk out, they will only hurt themselves. That’s because, if games are missed, the players will receive a pro-rated salary for the shortened season. In other words LESS MONEY. The owners will simply allow the networks to air additional games, thereby getting ALL of their television money.

    The real problem is not paying the NBA superstars. The real problem is paying the “less than superstars” the same as true superstars. The owners need an “out” for long term guaranteed contracts where the player is not performing. That could be easily handled if all years of the contract were not FULLY guaranteed. A certain number of years should be guaranteed, and after that, the player can simply be bought out. Look at Rashard Lewis. The Wizards are on the hook to pay him $46 million over the next two years. If there were a clause that allowed a team to buy a player out for $10 million or one year’s salary (the lessor of the two), this would allow the Wizards to buy him out, and go after better talent. If Lewis is any good, he can get another contract. It may not be for over $20 million per season, but that’s because he isn’t worth it. Ten million dollars plus a new SENSIBLE contract plus a full NBA retirement at the end of someone’s career doesn’t sound unreasonable to me. Allowing each team to do this ONCE every TWO YEARS may result in a better product. As a Knicks fan, this makes perfect sense to me. In the current system, the Wizards have zero chance of being good for at least the next two years. Is absolutely NO CHANCE of contending for at least 2 years good for Wiz fans? The ONLY people who benefit from Lewis’ current contract are Lewis and his agent.

  11. tpbakeshop2004 - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:13 PM

    Finally someone stood up to this fool.

  12. therealhtj - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM

    This is great news! Not only are we not getting a season because of pigheadedness on both sides, but Wade and Lebron are never getting a ring after this! WooHoo!

    I can smell the rules committee bringing back hand-checking any day now.

    Wade better save his money – 15.5mil blown this year and no post-career announcing jobs waiting for him either. Smart move Dwayne! Really.

  13. mogogo1 - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:17 PM

    I can see Wade being pissed about the pointing, depending on the context. But do the “average” NBA players realize how screwed they’re going to be if they let Wade and all the other superstars dominate the negotiations? The great players will end up being taken care of no matter how the new deal works out and if the season gets canceled they’ll just sign overseas for millions. But there ain’t enough money or openings overseas for all the NBA players to use that as a safety net.

    • jimeejohnson - Oct 4, 2011 at 8:48 PM

      I think you are lying.

  14. MW - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM

    Just another reason the owners need to stand firm. They are putting up the money to own teams, and the players want to run them. Let Wade and James buy a team in Milwaukee or Sacramento and see how great the system is.

  15. seanb20124 - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:47 PM

    Hey Riders008

    Most Americans that have jobs have no choice, but accept lower wages, or seek new employment in a different field.

    • marcusfitzhugh - Oct 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM

      Exactly. Most players in the NBA talk as if they have no other forms of income after their careers are over. In the real world, people work. Besides, the average NBA “end of the bench / practice player” could live comfortably for the rest of his life if he invested just two years worth of salary. For example the Nuggets have the lowest NBA payroll. The lowest paid player on the Nuggets earns $963,000.

    • riders008 - Oct 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM

      U r right …. But if those same people had an option to fight it like the players do then they would……

  16. crambow - Oct 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM

    Perhaps David Stern could take a slice of Howard Stern’s work schedule and just work 3 days a week with 11 weeks vacation feathered in.

    His reign has perpetuated mega-millionaires with egos larger than the paydays. You really think finger-pointing and tongue-wagging are going to downsize payroll, at this point?

    Stern has allowed the market sort out what the fans are willing to pay and now you wish to wait until lean times to scold the superstars for not willing a market correction?!

    Perhaps Mr Stern would be so kind as to forego his salary since the NBA is in such financial duress. You know, lead by example?

    I feel for the 10,000’s who supplement their income working at the arenas and parking lots. Even charities will suffer. As far as the rich go, they’re the least of many concerns.

  17. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea - Oct 1, 2011 at 1:32 PM

    Cancel the next two or three years. Fans will move on to something else.

  18. vikesfansteve - Oct 1, 2011 at 1:48 PM

    You may not be his child but you are definately his bitch.

  19. hail2tharedskins - Oct 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM

    I am willing to bet Wade won’t be getting as many generous fouls calls next season as he has been in the past. Something tells me the unofficial memo to NBA refs is that Wade no longer gets the “superstar treatment” from the officials.

  20. cosanostra71 - Oct 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    you may not be his child Wade, but you’ve certainly gotten family treatment from him.

  21. richyrichinthisbitch - Oct 1, 2011 at 4:25 PM

    this is stupid a lot of the teams werent profitable last season so they NEED to fix this. The players are just throwing a fit cause they are gonna make less money they can take a pay cut. And i know people probably think “what about the benched players who dont make millions each year”. Well they make at least $407,000 every year so they should just learn to budget their money. Its the people like the refs and sports bar owners who are really gonna have problems from the lockout

  22. goforthanddie - Oct 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

    1-Why are these non-player-reps doing there? Protecting their own interests? They elected people to represent them, get them out of the meetings.
    2-Stern may have his job because the owners hired him, but he’s unemployed if there’s no players. The quicker he stops treating them like children (and I don’t mean this particular incident, I mean everything), the quicker we have hoops.

  23. jaypace - Oct 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

    I find it humorous, how many people would let someone point at you and talk. Owners if you made a bad deal before that’s your fault. If concessions need to be made be fair. But just because previously you made a bad deal you can’t punish the players for that. David stern is a jag off. Owners of leagues don’t seem to realize this is a players league without them you have no product. Meet in the middle and both sides shut up. And the people that post stupid shit about players. You probably have more in common with players than owners

    • slowclyde86 - Oct 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM

      Perhaps the dumbest post of all time. By your logic, labor contracts would never change for either side. “Sorry, players, you agreed in 1956 to 10% of gross revenue, lifetime contracts with no free agency and I can cut you at any time. Would love to change it, but you agree to those terms previously so we cannot change them no matter if the circumstances have changed.”. Moron.

  24. hockeyfan9170 - Oct 1, 2011 at 6:03 PM

    Watch hockey this winter.

  25. materialman80 - Oct 1, 2011 at 6:57 PM

    Stern could cancel the season tomorrow and nobody would care.

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