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	<title>Comments on: Get your lockout shoes on: players rip owners proposal</title>
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		<title>By: distantrhythm</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There needs to be more revenue sharing for sure, and perhaps some flex caps but otherwise the owners need to discipline themselves from awarding silly long-term contracts. More incentives and less guarantees would be a good start. 

I can see why the players would be opposed to giving back everything that they gained monetarily in the current agreement, that would be a huge step backwards. Hopefully reason and consensus will lead to a compromise but I wouldn&#039;t bet on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be more revenue sharing for sure, and perhaps some flex caps but otherwise the owners need to discipline themselves from awarding silly long-term contracts. More incentives and less guarantees would be a good start. </p>
<p>I can see why the players would be opposed to giving back everything that they gained monetarily in the current agreement, that would be a huge step backwards. Hopefully reason and consensus will lead to a compromise but I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it.</p>
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		<title>By: bittersonicsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bittersonicsfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[purdueman

Holy cow! All I expect from you is crazy songs and anti-LA talk, this is a welcome post. either you didn&#039;t drink before you wrote that or you reached booze nirvana. I hope it&#039;s the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>purdueman</p>
<p>Holy cow! All I expect from you is crazy songs and anti-LA talk, this is a welcome post. either you didn&#8217;t drink before you wrote that or you reached booze nirvana. I hope it&#8217;s the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: purdueman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purdueman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ironic as it may seem, I am for the NFL players in their CBA dispute, but dead set against the players in their NBA CBA dispute.

With the average career of an NFL player being only less than 4 years and their mortality rate (as reported recently by ESPN), only 54 years of age (significantly less than that of the average American male), and a lot of the NFL owners wealthy and arrogant (like Jerry Jones of Dallas and Dean Spanos of San Diego), I find it impossible to side with the NFL owners.

The NBA though is different, because I truly believe Stern when he says that close to half of the NBA franchises have been losing money, some at at a hemorrhaging rate.  While the NBA owners have no one but themselves to blame for the last CBA that they agreed to, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that they need to change the way that they are doing business or risk going out of business one small to mid-sized market team at a time.

The mere fact that kids still in their early 20&#039;s can attain &quot;max fully guaranteed contracts&quot; in just their 3rd or 4th year in the league (when many of them are just starting to emerge as starters and/or potential stars), is ridiculous.

So an NBA team gambles on a former &quot;one and doner&quot; who&#039;s mostly languished on the bench their first two years in the league just to make them into productive players have to give these guys guaranteed multi-million dollar fully guaranteed contracts or risk losing a potential star is financial suicide.

Take the example of fat, lazy party boy Eddie &quot;Sloth&quot; Curry who the Knicks gave a staggering guaranteed long term $12.5M/year contract in his early 20&#039;s shouldn&#039;t be allowed to happen.  

The owners in essence need strong limitations on a new CBA if for no other reason than to protect them from themselves, because the talent pool of potential stars is now spread way too thin and colleges can&#039;t fill the gap anymore because of the &quot;one and doners&quot; don&#039;t give colleges the opportunity to grow and develop that talent before they bolt for the guaranteed millions offered by the NBA, most long before they are ready for that level of competition.

 I also was totally turned off by the self anointed &quot;Big 3 The Decision&quot; that occurred last offseason too, as if most of the NBA stars and emerging stars now will only play for big market teams together, it will kill the competitive balance in the league as well as many small-mid market teams.  Eventually if this isn&#039;t put in check, we could see the NBA eventually contract back down to the original 9 plus the first big expansion team, the Chicago Bulls.

Do any of you NBA fans out there want to see more lazy slugs like Eddie Curry simply skate and party with their &quot;posse&#039;s&quot; after receiving their big long term contracts?  I sure don&#039;t!

What I&#039;d like to see is exactly what the NBA owners have proposed (although it&#039;s highly unlikely it will happen this CBA contract negotiation go around), and that&#039;s the same kind of &quot;hard salary cap&quot; that the NHL was willing to sacrifice an entire season to attain.

The NFL has it right; pay for play.  If you can&#039;t make the roster cut in any given season, your remaining contract isn&#039;t guaranteed. Simple as that.  I&#039;m willing as a fan to give up a season to see that happen too.  How about all of you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic as it may seem, I am for the NFL players in their CBA dispute, but dead set against the players in their NBA CBA dispute.</p>
<p>With the average career of an NFL player being only less than 4 years and their mortality rate (as reported recently by ESPN), only 54 years of age (significantly less than that of the average American male), and a lot of the NFL owners wealthy and arrogant (like Jerry Jones of Dallas and Dean Spanos of San Diego), I find it impossible to side with the NFL owners.</p>
<p>The NBA though is different, because I truly believe Stern when he says that close to half of the NBA franchises have been losing money, some at at a hemorrhaging rate.  While the NBA owners have no one but themselves to blame for the last CBA that they agreed to, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that they need to change the way that they are doing business or risk going out of business one small to mid-sized market team at a time.</p>
<p>The mere fact that kids still in their early 20&#8242;s can attain &#8220;max fully guaranteed contracts&#8221; in just their 3rd or 4th year in the league (when many of them are just starting to emerge as starters and/or potential stars), is ridiculous.</p>
<p>So an NBA team gambles on a former &#8220;one and doner&#8221; who&#8217;s mostly languished on the bench their first two years in the league just to make them into productive players have to give these guys guaranteed multi-million dollar fully guaranteed contracts or risk losing a potential star is financial suicide.</p>
<p>Take the example of fat, lazy party boy Eddie &#8220;Sloth&#8221; Curry who the Knicks gave a staggering guaranteed long term $12.5M/year contract in his early 20&#8242;s shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to happen.  </p>
<p>The owners in essence need strong limitations on a new CBA if for no other reason than to protect them from themselves, because the talent pool of potential stars is now spread way too thin and colleges can&#8217;t fill the gap anymore because of the &#8220;one and doners&#8221; don&#8217;t give colleges the opportunity to grow and develop that talent before they bolt for the guaranteed millions offered by the NBA, most long before they are ready for that level of competition.</p>
<p> I also was totally turned off by the self anointed &#8220;Big 3 The Decision&#8221; that occurred last offseason too, as if most of the NBA stars and emerging stars now will only play for big market teams together, it will kill the competitive balance in the league as well as many small-mid market teams.  Eventually if this isn&#8217;t put in check, we could see the NBA eventually contract back down to the original 9 plus the first big expansion team, the Chicago Bulls.</p>
<p>Do any of you NBA fans out there want to see more lazy slugs like Eddie Curry simply skate and party with their &#8220;posse&#8217;s&#8221; after receiving their big long term contracts?  I sure don&#8217;t!</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see is exactly what the NBA owners have proposed (although it&#8217;s highly unlikely it will happen this CBA contract negotiation go around), and that&#8217;s the same kind of &#8220;hard salary cap&#8221; that the NHL was willing to sacrifice an entire season to attain.</p>
<p>The NFL has it right; pay for play.  If you can&#8217;t make the roster cut in any given season, your remaining contract isn&#8217;t guaranteed. Simple as that.  I&#8217;m willing as a fan to give up a season to see that happen too.  How about all of you?</p>
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		<title>By: ukfaninfl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ukfaninfl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nothing but a bunch or rich owners fighting with rich players over who really doesn&#039;t need the extra money and we the fans suffer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nothing but a bunch or rich owners fighting with rich players over who really doesn&#8217;t need the extra money and we the fans suffer</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Timberwolves would actually have a better record if their is a lockout for a whole season than last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Timberwolves would actually have a better record if their is a lockout for a whole season than last year.</p>
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		<title>By: goforthanddie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goforthanddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but he&#039;ll have a legitimate reason this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but he&#8217;ll have a legitimate reason this time.</p>
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		<title>By: lucky5934</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lucky5934]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But if they cancel the season, that will be just one more year Lebron doesn&#039;t win a title.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if they cancel the season, that will be just one more year Lebron doesn&#8217;t win a title.</p>
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		<title>By: goforthanddie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goforthanddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they can&#039;t figure it out and play 82, please cancel the whole season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they can&#8217;t figure it out and play 82, please cancel the whole season.</p>
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		<title>By: bigtrav425</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigtrav425]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good the NBA needs to be fixed! and F david stern!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good the NBA needs to be fixed! and F david stern!</p>
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		<title>By: tashkalucy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tashkalucy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congress has a better chance of balancing the budget in the next year then the NBA has of laying the 2011-12 season.

And the two issues are related.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress has a better chance of balancing the budget in the next year then the NBA has of laying the 2011-12 season.</p>
<p>And the two issues are related&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lucky5934</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lucky5934]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh I have seen this episode before.  I saw it back in March and April.  It starred the NFL and the NFLPA.  And just like the NFL, the NBA will start making headway the closer the 2011-2012 season approaches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I have seen this episode before.  I saw it back in March and April.  It starred the NFL and the NFLPA.  And just like the NFL, the NBA will start making headway the closer the 2011-2012 season approaches.</p>
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		<title>By: trbowman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trbowman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be shocked if games weren&#039;t missed, and I honestly wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the whole season was missed.

Here&#039;s hoping I&#039;m wrong]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be shocked if games weren&#8217;t missed, and I honestly wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the whole season was missed.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping I&#8217;m wrong</p>
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		<title>By: trbowman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trbowman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had my lockout shoes on for a while now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had my lockout shoes on for a while now.</p>
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