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David Kahn wants Andrew Bynum for the #2 pick

Jun 21, 2011, 11:09 PM EDT

Andrew Bynum, Marco Belinelli AP

There has been widespread speculation that the Timberwolves are looking to trade the #2 pick in this year’s draft, because projected #2 pick Derrick Williams is a small forward/power forward and the Timberwolves already have Kevin Love at the 4 and Michael Beasley as a tweener 3/4, which Williams projects as.

Anyways, David Kahn would like to move the #2 pick, but he seems to be demanding a steep price for it. According to Sports Illustrated’s Sam Amick, David Kahn has been calling the Lakers about trading the #2 pick and Beasley to them…in return for Andrew Bynum, the 23-year old 7-foot center who finished 3rd among centers in PER and has become an absolute monster on defense and on the glass, and who the Lakers may be hesitant to trade for Dwight Howard. I would not advise Timberwolves fans to hold their breaths on that deal happening. 

If Bynum is the kind of return Kahn is expecting to get for the #2 pick, it looks like Williams may become a Timberwolf after all, and the team will probably be better off for it. Beasley is still young, and can score the ball on occasion, but based on what he’s shown in his career, he’s not worth trading a talent like Williams simply for the purpose of trading him. 

  1. Justin - Jun 21, 2011 at 11:40 PM

    Ugh about time. I was trying to send this to Kurt for a while. I heard somewhere that the holdup was Wolves owner Glen Taylor and that the Lakers accepted it. Even I think it would be a steal for the Wolves. Flynn might be in the talks too. ( Who knows but something is happening with that number 2 pick.

  2. 00maltliquor - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:37 AM

    Yeah, and I would like to trade my Ford in for a Maybach.

  3. 00maltliquor - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:42 AM

    The Lakers would be flaming idiots if they made this move. They won’t trade for Howard but will for Beasley? Where’s the logic in that?

    • Justin - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:47 AM

      It really just seems dumb on all fronts. First the Lakers would be crazy to make that move. Second, in the bizarre rare chance they make the move they would most likely have Beasley and Williams who play similar roles. The only way I see this happening is if the Cavs take Williams and the Lakers are very high on Kyrie Irving. Even then it is a reach.

    • jizzojames - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:52 AM

      I think if the Lakers move Bynum for anyone other than Howard it would be insane. Howard is proven, and to trade for the #2 pick and Beasley, both who would have to play along side Kobe Bryant is a gamble. A true gamble that right now with the Laker’s, and this late in Kobe’s career isn’t a good gamble especially with the East building up and with certain teams in the west that are getting better!! Don’t do it LA!!

  4. wvan10 - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:52 AM

    The Lakers aren’t 1) that stupid or 2) that desperate. David Kahn won’t trade Kevin Love and the #2 for Gasol and he wants Bynum for Beasley and Derrick Williams? Gasol is still one of the best all around big men in the game and Bynum is coming into his own as a defensive monster with offensive skills and Kahn won’t trade any of the best players on his last place team for them??? GET REAL Mr. Kahn, enjoy your 10-40 record next year and good luck with the ping pong balls.

    • lebronsinsecurity - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:07 AM

      If I were in Khan’s shoes I wouldn’t do the #2 + Love for Gasol either… Why would anyone(besides Lakers fans)? Gasol is awesome, and all around better than Love, but when you consider age,contract, & the #2 on top of it, no thanks.. I don’t get your logic, what’s he suppose to do?

      • wvan10 - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:15 AM

        Well it depends if he really wants to win like he says or if he’s ok with collecting young talent like Love and Beasley who are never going to be good enough collectively to win. Gasol for Love and #2 would be a much more even swap than any other trade he can get. Love won’t re-sign in a couple years (who would with Minn) and Derrick Williams is a tweener and not a sure thing whatsoever. As a Laker fan I disagree with you, I would never do this deal. I think Wolves fans should pickett Kahn’s house if he actually had a chance to get Gasol (still only 31 and maybe the 2nd best forward to Dirk in the game) for Love and #2 and didn’t pull the trigger. Trading players that don’t know how to win for championship players??? Come on.

      • Justin - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:40 AM

        As it stands Gasol has reached his potential at 30 (almost 31) and Love still can improve and grow. Basically we would be sending out Love for Gasol both of who have deals that expire at the same time. As you said no one will resign here. And pay Gasol like $8 million more. It isn’t like Gasol was a championship player in Memphis. It takes more than 1 guy. The only people that think that is a bad deal for the Lakers are the Laker rubes.

  5. purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:59 AM

    What I want to know is where is David buying his dope? (I want in!!!).

    Beasley couldn’t guard me and I’m on the wrong side of 40, much less fit into new Lakers coach “Showboatin'” Mike Brown’s desire to have a defense first team next season (if there is one). I’d give Beasley less than one practice before Kobe decked him (Beasley, but that could also be true of Brown too!).

    The rumors of Pao Gasol for Love and the #2 overall pick are equally as laughable on the part of the Lakers (although the T-Wolves do make a lot of bonehead moves), but THAT bonehead? I don’t think so! … not even for the T-Wolves!).

    I could see that deal for MARK Gasol, but his fading, aging brother Pao. I think that Beasley and the #2 pick for Odom though would be fair to both sides, provided that the Lakers could quickly turn around and flip Beasley to a team that needs off the bench scoring and enough defense to carry him (like the Bulls).

    Bulls backup point guard Shorty Watson would be a good deal for Beasley straight up. Shorty can really play so long as he’s paired in the back court with a 6’5″ or taller shooting guard/wing.

    • wvan10 - Jun 22, 2011 at 2:19 AM

      If you think Mark Gasol is better than Pau, you may be the one buying the dope. Pau is not aging, he is in his prime right now. He had a disappointing playoffs but so did Magic in ’84 and he was still pretty good afterwards. Not to compare the two players, but the Lakers would be truly stupid to trade Pau or Bynum. Of course Kobe’s going nowhere. So unless stupid teams like the Wolves do something idiotic like Odom for #2 and Beasley or something like that, I don’t see any “major” moves they should make. They should just wait for Dwight Howard or Chris Paul/Deron Williams to come available and trade Bynum then.

      • Justin - Jun 22, 2011 at 2:33 AM

        Anyone working with the Magic for a trade for Howard will have to offer young talent under contract for a while, salary cap benefits, and quality lottery picks. The Lakers can offer none of those. Yes, Bynum is young talent but injury prone and his deal expires a year after Howard. The Lakers need to do something now if they want to get Howard/Deron/Paul because once the new CBA is in place they won’t have much wiggle room. When that happens they might just have to rid of Bynum/Gasol just because of a hard(er) cap and by then their value will be far less with teams knowing they need to get rid of one of them.

      • purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM

        wvan… you must be a Laker Homer. Why would the T-Wolves want a guy like Pao going on 33 with a lot of mileage on him over his younger up and coming younger brother? The Lakers though do like to collect guys on the wrong side of 30 though, so your comments as a Laker Homer shouldn’t come as any kind of a surprise to any of us.

        Lakers don’t need a point guard either; I hear that D-Fish has found the fountain of youth!

      • purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 2:41 AM

        Justin… don’t confuse all the Laker Homers out there with logic. Laker Homers think that whatever they want, they simply take. Unfortunately they learned that from the NBA’s 50th anniversary history book!

  6. wvan10 - Jun 22, 2011 at 2:44 AM

    I agree with you about the Magic wanting young talent under contract with picks for Howard. I’m not sure there are any teams that can offer what they are going to want. The Bulls maybe (no lottery picks though) with Noah and filler. I’d rather have Bynum than Noah (just my opinion). The Lakers can’t trade for Howard, Paul, or Williams if they aren’t available. The Magic, Nets, and Hornets simply will not trade them this off season hoping they can improve the odds of re-signing them with good starts to next season and moves to keep them. They won’t become available until at least right before the trading deadline next season. As far as the hard(er) cap you speak of, the owners are not going to get the players to agree to a hard cap. The owners are already coming down from that now saying it would be a flex cap similar to the NHL where a team will still be able to go over the max cap to resign their own players and their annual mid level exceptions.

  7. wvan10 - Jun 22, 2011 at 2:49 AM

    Perdueman…..I am a Laker fan and Pau will be turning 33 in about 2 years. Get your facts straight. Mark Gasol is a good player, but 30 out of 30 teams would take Pau over Mark today. Just because you say something doesn’t make it true.

    • purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 5:58 AM

      yawn! Whether Pao is 31 or 33 doesn’t make a difference. Go back and watch the Laker playoff series against the Mavs this year and then try to come back with a valid argument as to how “great” Pau is. Just because you may think so doesn’t it make it so.

      • barkley4life - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM

        Why are you commenting? According to you Purdueman if you don’t live in a specific city you don’t have “intimate” knowledge of that team…aren’t you from Chicago?…..Or did you move to L.A.

        Dumbass statements like that come back to you haunt you lol….

        Pau had one bad playoffs….and he helped L.A. get 2 straight Championships.

        They don’t smell the Finals the last three years without him.

      • wvan10 - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:35 PM

        perdueman…. so I guess you think LeBron James is horrible too?? The Mavs worked him over pretty good too. The fact is that Pau is probably the 2nd best big forward in the game and Marc Gasol is a very good young player but just not on the level of his brother. Everybody but you knows it.

      • purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:58 PM

        wminivan… you keep side stepping my point, and that’s that Mark Gasol is younger and has a hell of a lot less mileage on his legs than his brother Pao. If you’re a very young team like the T-Wolves, it just doesn’t make any sense to trade an up and coming stud like Love for a high mileage used model like Pao…. but Laker fans can keep on dreaming!

        As for Le Bum? Steve Kerr summed it all up when he said: “You can’t compare James to Michael (Jordan); he’s a lot more like Scottie Pippen than he’ll ever be like Michael”. Exactly! Jordan was the ultimate closer, Pippen the ball distributor. James is scared to death to close and distributes the ball in 4th quarters of tight games like it was a hot potato.

        There’s absolutely no point in trying to rank Pao either; that’s just a lot of meaningless sports talk fodder. Debating where this or that player stacks up to any other player in basketball is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes a lot of time and it annoys the pig.

      • purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 10:56 PM

        barkley… like Patriot fans, why do you so relish living in the past? Could it be that you don’t want to face the prospect of your Lakers having no near term future real shot at another title?

        Sure, without Stern stepping in to hand the Lakers Pao on a silver platter in order to shut Kobe up from continuing to make his trade demands the Lakers don’t win their last two championships, but just as Babe Ruth being a great Yankee has no bearing on this years Yankees, neither does the latest version of Pao who we saw flop faster than a failed souflee against Dallas on the Lakers chances of winning a championship next year either.

    • pl4tinum514 - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM

      “30 out of 30 teams would take Pau over Mark today.”

      I dont know about 30, Marc is catching up in stats, is more physical and tougher mentally/physically, and he’s a C unlike his pansy brother :)

      • Kurt Helin - Jun 22, 2011 at 10:45 PM

        Pansy? PAu is the best PF in the game (or close). He dropped 18 and 19 on Boston in a Game 7. He stood up to Dwight Howard in a finals. If that’s a pansy I’ll take 12 of those on my team.

  8. svallen - Jun 22, 2011 at 8:37 AM

    I think this would be a completely fair trade. Bynum is set to make $15M and $16M in the next two seasons. Minus injuries Bynum is a force down low that the T-Wolves could use. Beasley is set to make $6M and $8M and since the #2 pick is in that pile – I really think that is a fair trade. A Bynum like player isn’t in the draft…that we know of at this point. This proves that the T-Wolves are looking to really be a contender in the NBA.

    Bynum salary source:

    Beasley salary source:

  9. ac0117 - Jun 22, 2011 at 8:59 AM

    David Kahn cracks me up… remember when the Bynum/Carmelo swap was being talked about… and the Lakers were hesitant? And now people are talking about a Bynum for Dwight swap?

    This trade literally makes no sense… the problem the Wolves have with Derrick Williams is that hes a tweener like Beasley. If they didn’t have Beasley they would take him and keep him in a heartbeat. Why would the Lakers take on that problem – it’s not like someone else is going number 2?

    IMO the Lakers would not move any core piece unless for a bona-fide young superstar, aka Dwight. Bynum for Beasley and the #2 is madness

  10. telergy - Jun 22, 2011 at 11:53 AM

    Laker fan here… I might do this trade. I think Derrick Williams is the next big thing. His ability to play 3 or 4 intrigues me. He’s too big to guard at 3 and to athletic to guard at 4. He’s gonna beast in the league. Although Bynum is great when he’s healthy, he’s a depreciating asset who has not played a complete season of basketball and is playing on bad knees. I think Bynum would finally beast in Minn (I think he can average 20 and 10) but I don’t think he can last a season. I don’t think this trade will happen though.

  11. jimsjam33 - Jun 22, 2011 at 12:57 PM

    Bynum for the 2nd. pick and Beasley is laughable . Now , if Cleveland throws in the 1st pick and the 4th pick for Bynum , Cleveland would be getting a terrific deal .
    Sorry NBA , the only trade bait for Bynum and the Lakers would be Dwight Howard . Bynum is the future and Howard is for now . It should be a go for the Magic and the Lakers .

    • purdueman - Jun 22, 2011 at 1:17 PM

      “Sorry NBA , the only trade bait for Bynum and the Lakers would be Dwight Howard . Bynum is the future and Howard is for now . It should be a go for the Magic and the Lakers ”

      I love the sense of entitlement that Laker fans have; oh sure, Howard coming to the Lakers is inevitable all right, just as inevitable in the “new” post Le Bum James FA NBA as grass growing year round in Antarctica.

      The Lakers are totally hamstrung with too many big long term contracts to be able to pull off a trade for Howard and give him the max contract that he’ll demand even if they were willing to part with Bynum (who Lakers President Jim Buss has publicly labeled as “untouchable”).

      The owners are determined to implement either a hard salary cap (modeled after the new NHL CBA), with some wiggle room likely in it in order to give teams time to be able to get in compliance (two years being the most talked about and likely time frame).

      A hard salary cap folks means no more luxury tax option; you’re over the cap? You will have to dump players in order to get in compliance, not bring on even more maxed out or big contracts. Howard coming to the Lakers is therefore little more than a pipe dream.

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