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Report: Pat Riley has sent word to nix trade offers for any of the Big 3

Jun 19, 2011, 11:00 AM EDT

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As soon as the Heat started struggling, all the way back in November of 2010, the ideas started coming in. “What if they traded Chris Bosh?” The ideas continued all the way through the Finals including a few insane people talking about how they need to trade LeBron James. Sorry, I don’t care how much of a headcase he is. He could dance half-naked on the training room table to “The Rocky Horror Picture Show” and he still wouldn’t be too much of a headcase to keep. But since they lost in the Finals, terrible end to the season that that was, only being better than every team in the East and all but one team in the West, including face-kicking both Boston and Chicago, the noise has been similarly loud.

The New York Daily News reports that Pat Riley’s been out in front to get this one quiet before it even becomes a question:

Not long after LeBron James’ Finals flameout, Miami president Pat Riley has sent word to other league execs: He’s not breaking up his Big Three.

via Raptors take a pass on landing Knicks’ Mike D’Antoni, opt for defensive-minded Dwane Casey.

What are you possibly going to get for any of the Big 3 that would in any way meet value? Even if you take the worst of the three, Chris Bosh, no one is going to trade for him after he’s been revealed as a guy you can’t put as your top guy, who lacks toughness and mental resolve? Meanwhile there’s simply no one you can put together to try and trade for James. He’s untouchable, as is Dwyane Wade. Lost in the overreaction, and let’s be honest, glee over the Heat’s demise is the fact that they were two games from winning the title. If the Heat’s defensive rotations are a bit better on a pair of Nowitzki layups, the parade would have been on South Beach. It wasn’t, and let’s credit the Mavs.

But unlike Dallas, who shot the moon in one of their few remaining seasons of contention, perhaps people should realize that the odds of the Heat winning the number of titles they predicted in that silly event last summer are the same. They just didn’t do it the first year. The NBA got the best of the brazen Miami Triad this year. Unfortunately, they have to deal with them next year, and for another four years after that. The only thing that is going to break up the Big 3 is the CBA. Then again, with as petty as the other NBA owners and front offices have been toward’s the Heat’s juvenile arrogance, some punitive measures built specifically to limit them wouldn’t surprise anyone.

 

(HT: HoopsHype)

  1. worldbfree4me - Jun 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    Word up! The HEAT ain’t going nowhere!! “Don’t Hate the player’s, Hate the game” Playa!!!

    • crimhollingsworth - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:59 PM

      Hardcore heat fan since way back in ’10 right?

      • cosanostra71 - Jun 19, 2011 at 1:58 PM

        hey man he stuck with them through the 9-8 stretch… if that isn’t dedication I don’t know what is

      • dgforreal - Jun 19, 2011 at 6:20 PM

        You almost put me in the hospital from laughing with that response.

  2. thekingdave - Jun 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    Bosh was revealed as a guy you can’t put as your top guy(great wording btw)? Says who? He’s the third option in Miami, and seems to be the one who cares the most of the Big 3. I’d gladly take him on the Rockets.

    • jjstrokes - Jun 19, 2011 at 11:17 AM

      Bosh had a few good games bc the Mavericks Caoching staff told their players to help off his sorry ass. Worked out pretty well for the Mavs. Posh blows! that’s not a typo

  3. jjstrokes - Jun 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM

    Mr. Moore, I believe I only check this blog daily now just for your articles. no homo haha

  4. jrmcool20 - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:02 PM

    look pat riley knows the game of basketball , and he see,s whats going on with this team , and i agree they need to trade one of there big 3 to WIN , i say keep wade,, he s won a title already and has a better game than , bosh and james , in the playoffs ,, they keep saying bosh is not tough lol well the way james played id say james is not strong minded atleast bosh held his own during the finals ,, but james completley fell apart ,, i been watching the nba for over 30 years and have watched some of the greats ,and i never seen a player thats considered a ,, SUPERSTAR ,, like james has been boosted up to be play that bad for 5 out of 6 games of a finals series ok ,,, NEVER , jordan,, magic,, bird ,, thomas ,, jabbar ,,etc,,, and even the greats that never won a title even though they lost in the finals NEVER played that bad for that many games ina row ,, my point being that james is supposed to be on a level of a kobe , or jordan etc,,, well them players never choked like james did and thats james 2nd go around in the finals not his first !!! i say trade james he is not on the level of a player the nba has him on ,,, NO WAY !!!!

    • barkley4life - Jun 19, 2011 at 1:07 PM

      Another dumb clueless statement…you have been watching the NBA with your eyes closed. Tragic Magic? Jordan vs Pistons?…at 22 he took a terrible team to the Finals. Name one of those players you’ve mentioned who did that. Take your personal bias out of it and keep it to basketball. When hall of gamers like Barkley and Magic who have RIPPED him call him the best player in the game it’s borderline moronic to call him underrated.

      What makes people like you upset is a brash cocky foolish young man who is the most talented player in the NBA is going to win a title…and it’s going to piss people off because you don’t like him as a person. Keep on the court and to basketball and you make no sense.

      He’s 26 with 8 years of big time basketball left…if you don’t think they are going back to Finals out of an Eastern Conference that can’t match up with them your clueless.

      What really cracks me up is comparing him to Hall of Famers and being a hypocrite. I lived in L.A after they traded Shaquille, the Heat win a title and they HATED Kobe…and he wanted out of L.A.

      People said he would never win a title…terrible teammate, selfish, arrogant, douchebag, miracle Pau Gasol trade lol they love him.

      Stop with the nonsense.

      • almzor - Jun 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM

        Keeping it on the court, what was up with those last 3 games?

        Also… LeBron was the one who wanted to be about more than just basketball. If he weren’t selling himself as an icon then he wouldn’t be on the receiving end of nearly as much crap. I’d happily watch LeBron the basketball player if he’d just shut his mouth and be LeBron the basketball player. If Cuban can shut up for the playoffs LeBron can keep his ego in check for a season.

      • barkley4life - Jun 20, 2011 at 11:13 AM

        I defend his game on the court…and I am the first to admit he flat out sucked…but the off the court stuff is a flat out joke and some of it is borderline despicable with the comments and posts.

        Every player worth his salt wants it to more then just basketball. There are only a select few that can sell themselves off the court as well.

        To me its just that off the court. It took Cuban a decade and a miracle run for the MAVS for him to shut his mouth lol…hell even Dirk told him it would be best if he shut his mouth years ago lol.

        Lebron isn’t selling himself as an Icon…he is AN ICON…I grew up during the Jordan era. I was a Barkley fan though lol…but still I can remember vividly…old timers stance on Jordan…He can stick his tongue out sell shoes and dunk but he aint got no rings like Bird and Magic…when the Pistons went through Bulls he can’t mess with Isiah Bird and Magic…one title and a whole generation says HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW lol….

        Its just amazes me that people let the hate blur the reality…the reality is that at 26 hes been to the Finals twice. He led a team to the Finals at 22 AS THE MAIN PLAYER lmao and people are on here saying hes done…hes overrated…he will never win a title lol…law of averages…history of sports say otherwise…he is more then likely going to get one….

        Now whether that is not one, not two, not three, not four, lol….is a whole different story.

      • almzor - Jun 20, 2011 at 6:13 PM

        I grew up with Jordan too, I was a Jazz fan (didn’t work out so well for me either).

        Honestly LeBron’s age matters less than the number of years he has been in the league. He got the same head start over players like Jordan that Kobe got, years in the league gives a better feel for where he is compared to other players.

        By the end of his 8th year in the league Jordan had been to the finals twice just like LeBron. The difference is he won both his visits (and bagged some finals MVP trophies to boot). I don’t hate LeBron, maybe other people do. But it’s not hatred to point out the huge differences between Jordan who justifiably was an icon; and LeBron who wants to be one without bothering to perform well in the clutch.

        Can he change? Absolutely! But he hasn’t shown the inclination to work on the weaker aspects of his game in 8 years. With his personal preoccupation with off-court business the safe bet is he’ll spend the summer more concerned with working on his Q rating than on post moves. That’s his right, but its basketball fans’ right to mock him for it too. His generation is the future of basketball, and he may be the most talented player in it. How much he achieves respective to his peers is a matter of more than talent though.

  5. soopreme - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    If Dwight Howard is on the trading block and Pat Riley is not in that mix he would be doing a disservice to the Heat organization.
    Dwight Howard is 25 years old and he is the most dominate center in the league since Shaq and he is going to get better.
    If I’m Riley, Orlando can have anybody other than Lebron(only because of age).

    • goforthanddie - Jun 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM

      If I’m Riley, leb is the first thing I offer.

      • dashthewriter23 - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM

        thank God you’re not Riley, cuz then he’d be an idiot

    • dashthewriter23 - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:55 PM

      thats dumb…Miami has nothing the Magic want. All the big 3 are 27 or under so age isn’t a factor. Orlando will undoubtedly ask for something out of this world to get well over market value, just like the Nuggets did with Melo. the Heat would have to give up 2 of the big 3 for him…and well, then it’d be the Magic all over again with whatever scrubs are left that they can actually pay. You don’t create a team because of age…

  6. thetooloftools - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    After obvious collusion to bring them together from the owner, to Pat, to Wade why would they trade anyone ?
    They even tanked a whole year to free up cap space.
    They broke every ethic and moral standard to bring them together.
    Yea Pat … it is what it is and it was cheap and wrong.
    How does 0 – 1 taste ?
    The Three Stooges will end up tearing each other apart like a bad marriage if LeBron tanks again.

    • barkley4life - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:52 PM

      Ethic and morals….clueless statement. Message boards are hilarious.

    • david8726 - Jun 19, 2011 at 3:53 PM

      Yet another post making things up about how the Big 3 were formed.

      No one has any idea if there was actual collusion involved with forming the big three. There is zero proof that anything illegal happened. None.

      As a matter of fact, basic common sense would indicate to you that there WASN’T collusion involved since LeBron was actively trying to win the Cleveland Cavaliers a title in 2009 and 2010. If LeBron had managed to go all the way and win a championship during one of those two years, he would have definitely resigned with Cleveland, rendering any “collusion” moot.

      • thetooloftools - Jun 19, 2011 at 5:28 PM

        You do know that the Miami Heat’s owners son was with Wade Bosh and James at the Beijing Olympics with the team don’t you. You do know Bosh opened his mouth and nearly spilled the beans about how the whole this was “put together” and “we knew this was coming” and “they cleared cap space”.
        Pull your head out of your (|).
        How do you know he would have resigned with Cleveland?
        I’m not damning anyone. But don’t play me for a chump because you choose to live your life devoid of reality. That whole “decision” / come kiss LeBron’s (|) was just a joke like James hadn’t made up his mind and everyone knew it after the fact. It will NEVER happen again though because this stunt is going to HAMMER the players in the CBA negotiations.
        WATCH AND MAYBE LEARN SOMETHING.
        Maybe next time these clowns are dancing around in smoke it will be because the fans burned the building down because they didn’t win poop.

      • david8726 - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:23 AM

        There were LOTS of different people from many different organizations associated with the 2008 Olympic team. Arison being there is proof of nothing.

        And yes, I do know LeBron would have resigned with Cleveland had he won the title in 2010. You seriously think LeBron would have won a title in Cleveland and then bolted to Miami in the same summer?

        Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous notion, and is proof positive that nothing was set in stone before last summer.

      • almzor - Jun 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM

        No one has any idea if there was actual collusion involved with forming the big three.

        Really? That’s an indefensible statement and you are smart enough to know it. If you’re going to hammer people for conjecture play by your own rules.

      • david8726 - Jun 20, 2011 at 4:11 PM

        Almzor,

        If you can find me proof that collusion happened, I’ll gladly admit that I’m wrong.

        Until then, though, the only “proof” of collusion are just assumptions being made by people who are still butt-hurt that LeBron joined Miami.

        My point remains – Collusion could not possibly have happened since LeBron would have definitely stayed with Cleveland had he won the NBA title in 2010. Nothing was decided until that summer.

    • purdueman - Jun 26, 2011 at 2:54 PM

      Rumor has it that Riley’s about to get a big endorsement deal with Valvoline, because he uses their 20-50W as his hair tonic!

      As for Miami’s ability to “dominate” going forward? The probability of a greatly reduced salary cap on the next CBA will thankfully prevent that. You see, the self-anointed “Big 3″ all have backend loaded contracts.

      That means that with a substantially reduced salary cap, either one of them will need to go or the rest of the Heat roster will have to be filled out with scrubs, rooks, fugitives from the D-league and broken down veterans willing to play for the minimum in order to chase a ring.

      Miami’s not the only team though that’s going to be adversely affected by the new CBA. At then end of next season, the Chicago Bulls will have to give D-Rose a max contract (which they of course will GLADLY do), and that will put them in the same predicament as the Heat (as Noah’s contract jumps to $12M, Deng is making $10M and Boozer is making $20M).

      The buzz in Chicago is that unless Noah can develop an offensive game, he’ll be the odd man out with Omar stepping in as the man in the middle.

      With respect to the Heat’s team chemistry, everyone knew that Le Bum and Wade basically both need the ball and play the same position, so why so much surprise that it hasn’t quite worked out as expected thusfar? No matter what happens down the road though, I just don’t see it affecting Bosh, as Bosh is the most grounded of the three and pretty much just keeps his mouth shut, goes with the flow and plays.

  7. riversmfic - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:34 PM

    Matt Moore is a moron. Let’s take a look at how Chris Bosh performed in the playoffs shall we?

    Bosh matched his regular season PPG in the playoffs while the other 2 of the “Big Three” failed to do so. In the NBA Finals he scored a total of 31 Clutch Points (including the Finals Game 3 game winner) and took 21 Free Throws in those situations, the other 2? They COMBINED for only 23 FGA’s in those situations. Bosh shot the higher percentage (50%) and turned the ball over less in the clutch than the other 2. In both the Conference Finals and NBA Finals he outscored LBJ. He ranked 10th among all players in the playoffs in Adjusted Plus/Minus. He is the only Heat player who’s name appears in all of the five most successful Heat lineups during the playoffs. The Heat played a huge 15.29 Points per 100 Possessions worse on the defensive end without Bosh. Not bad for a player who is, and is supposed to be, the third option.

    All of that leads Matt Moore to believe Chris Bosh has “been revealed as a guy you can’t put as your top guy, who lacks toughness and mental resolve”

    LOL

    • riversmfic - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:49 PM

      Also, before a critical Game 5 he was working his butt off while the other 2 of the Big 3 were busy mocking Dirk. In Game 6 facing elimination he went 7-for-9 for 19 points while most of his teammates disappeared. And when they were eliminated he stepped to the podium had nothing but good things to say about his opponent, praising their work ethic and stating that Dirk earned his Championship. Meanwhile other guys are only busy pointing out that all their critics will still have a boring life in poverty after all.

      • edweird0 - Jun 20, 2011 at 8:58 AM

        Whose the “other guys”? Last I checked it was Lebron who said that, not Wade. Your bias has no place here

  8. saveusterrelldavis - Jun 19, 2011 at 12:46 PM

    This article is borderline ballswinging. Could you try to hide your bias, between you and Kurt half of your articles look like Maverick Carter is your editor.

    • david8726 - Jun 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

      Why is he biased?

      Because he said the Heat actually had a great season since they finished as the second best team in the league? Because he said the Heat will remain contenders for the next 4 years? Because he said LeBron is untouchable despite his finals flameout?

      Those are facts, not opinions buddy. If you disagree with them then it’s pretty obvious that you’re the biased one.

      I love the clowns on this blog who basically have the attitude that anyone who writes ANYTHING positive about miami must secretly be on the Heat payroll.

      • thetooloftools - Jun 19, 2011 at 5:37 PM

        “NOT one title, NOT two titles, NOT three or four or five”…. wake up david8726… you remember any of this?
        HOW ABOUT NONE.
        You didn’t have a “great season” when you have run your mouth and still HAVE AN EMPTY JEWELRY BOX you Strap On.
        I Love selective amnesia by these Heat apologists.

      • david8726 - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:34 AM

        Tooloftools,

        You’re entitled to your opinion. But, as a Heat fan, I know that we had a great year.

        NBA teams very rarely win in their first year together as a group. In year one, we were the second best team in the league. That’s something worth being proud of.

        Only one team gets to lift up the trophy every year. Everybody else has to go back to the drawing board.

        But my team still made it further than 28 out of 30 teams. It was a ton of fun to watch.

      • barkley4life - Jun 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM

        Tooloftools will be the same person that when the Heat win there first title together he will continue to bitch and moan and make up pointless arguments.

        Guess what I saw your posts on here during the Celtics series…..you fell off the map after Game 4. Same during the Bulls series…lol so stop your nonsense jabbering.

        In their first year they made it to the Finals…and what pissed people off is that in there first year THEY MADE IT TO THE FINALS lol…because take your dumb personal hypocritical bias aside you know they are more then likely going to make it to the Finals again….and win it…and it pisses you off that it will….

  9. bigtrav425 - Jun 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    Anyone who wants Bosh as there top guy really needs to evaluate their knowledge of the game of Basketball.I get why they are not going to trade either James or bosh(lets be honest Wade is NOT going anywhere unless something drastically changes).Because it would admit a huge mistake Less then a yr after this collusion thing went down and would admit failure.But at the same time i would understand why they would because until LBJ learns to close out games,the Heat will not win a title

  10. goforthanddie - Jun 19, 2011 at 2:42 PM

    “Even if you take the worst of the three, Chris Bosh, no one is going to trade for him after he’s been revealed as a guy you can’t put as your top guy, who lacks toughness and mental resolve?”
    I think you confused Bosh for leb. Bosh stepped up in the Finals, leb stepped out. Bosh never claimed to be The Man, leb did but proved he isn’t.

  11. andrejohnsonforpresident - Jun 19, 2011 at 4:06 PM

    I wanna say why would he break it up. This is probably going to be the worst heat team over the next 6 years. I won’t though simply because I have no idea what the new CBA will look like. If the cap space is smaller… Well it should make things very interesting for Mr. Riley

  12. hus10188 - Jun 19, 2011 at 5:22 PM

    @andrejohnson
    worst heat team for the next 6 years? Lol, you do understand by signing up these three guys practically to max contracts they have little to no room to add any sort of quality depth whatsoever.

    Credit to them because they reached the finals. But I just don’t get people saying there going to be ‘loaded’ next year from a personnel standpoint. As long as those guys continue to average 43+ plus minutes a game. They’re going to fade even more later down the road.

    Haslem turned down more money from other teams and made $10+ mill less to stick with the heat. You can count him as the unique exception because no other decent free agent in his prime is going to turn down considerably more dollars to join the oh so special ‘big 3′ and get paid peanuts.

    Hell, chalmers will probably get a better contract offer from another team when his contracts up and he’ll bolt. So they’ll lose a solid PG who can light it up from 3.

    Bottom line its the big 3 and there bench depth will forever be the Juwon Howard, Eddie House and Erick Dampier type players.

    • almzor - Jun 20, 2011 at 11:12 AM

      Uhh, no. Even if they roll with complimentary pieces along the lines of what they have now, the big 3’s time together will make them a better team down the line.

      I also don’t honestly see them struggling through the regular season next year (or whenever we get to watch basketball again) the way they did this year either. The Heat really just peaked a round too early. They’re getting hammered for it (rightly so) because they were spouting hyperbole before the season started. However these guys aren’t stupid, they’re going to learn from their mistakes and come back hungrier. Well, Bosh and Wade will learn. LeBron might not have accepted what happened yet.

  13. ocgunslinger - Jun 19, 2011 at 10:18 PM

    Just because the Heat had a very good year their first year together doesn’t necessarily mean the next few years will be better and lead to Rings. Even if they jell and get a better supporting cast, landing improperly or someone falling into any one or two of the big three could wipe out an ankle, a knee and a year or two. There is only one way to win a championship….. and a thousand ways to lose.

    • gridirongoon24 - Jun 20, 2011 at 1:09 AM

      Also, the competition is only getting stronger..

    • david8726 - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:37 AM

      I agree injuries could derail us. But that’s true of any team.

      Assuming the big three maintain good health, there is a very good chance that this will be the weakest Heat team we’ll see over the next couple years.

      Also, disagree that Miami’s competition is getting stronger. The competition is actually getting weaker. Boston, Dallas, San Antonio, and the Lakers are all old and getting older.

      Chicago and OKC are the only two contenders that you would think would improve as time goes on. The others will decline unless they make trades that change their fortunes.

  14. jizzojames - Jun 20, 2011 at 12:58 AM

    No Pat Riley, please don’t break up the “Heatles”!! This article says Chris Bosh aint tough enough, yet in the deciding game of the finals he out shined both LBJ and Wade going 7/9 from the field. They say you can’t get face value for either LBJ or Wade. HA!! I call bs on that one. In this league with the likes of Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Lamarcus Aldrige and so much other young talent I think you can get great value from a trade for either LBJ or Wade, and also free up cap space and fill in roster slots. No body really expects the Heat to break up, and a lot of folks really don’t care. They didn’t lose the NBA Finals b/c of the BIG 3, they lost it b/c of the BID D.. Dallas Mavericks. Give them some credit for winning, instead of blaming the Heat for losing!!

  15. purdueman - Jun 20, 2011 at 12:05 PM

    greaser Riley is too big of a pompous horses arse to ever admit that “the Big 3″ was a mistake and leaves him with no payroll flexibility with which to bring in other needed pieces.

  16. 1historian - Jun 26, 2011 at 11:59 AM

    If collusion is defined here as three guys saying – “it would be cool if we could play together – let’s make it happen!” what is wrong with that? Nothing.

    Owners conspiring to keep salaries down? Nothing wrong with that either. I KNOW that there are rules against it but in actuality there is nothing wrong with it – the rules are there to keep the public happy and for no other reason.

    After signing the big 3 Riley had to go to the scrap heap for the rest of the roster and he did ok. Next year he’ll do better. I hate to say this but I think the Heat will dominate starting next year.

    Somehow or other Riley has managed to live through my not liking him.

    Go figure

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