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Kobe Bryant and Mike Brown getting along swimmingly, triangle ditched

Jun 19, 2011, 10:12 PM EDT

Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant talks during a news conference after the Lakers were knocked out of the NBA basketball playoffs in Los Angeles AP

There was a lot of intrigue when Mike Brown was hired because the move wasn’t cleared with Kobe Bryant. After all, the franchise is still Kobe’s now that Phil’s gone (or regardless of Phil depending on your viewpoint) until he retires. So Bryant should have been brought in on the conversation. And the idea of a star player fighting with his coach off the bat makes for good headlines. Unfortunately, it sounds like all that drama might be missing since the two have already met twice and everything’s going great. It’s a virtual budding romance. From the L.A. Times:

Despite Kobe Bryant’s silence, people close to both sides say Coach Mike Brown has won over his new star in two face-to-face meetings.

Their first was May 31 at Bryant’s home in Newport Beach, on Brown’s way to his news conference in downtown Los Angeles . . . more or less.

Apparently, the meeting went well. The second was 10 days later at the El Segundo practice facility, where they went through plays on the court.

via Lakers: Mike Brown and Kobe Bryant are just fine, thanks – latimes.com.

The Times goes on to say that the reason there’s been no word of it is because Bryant is keeping mum in a silent protest of not having been brought in on the decision. To recap: Kobe still ticked off,  just not at Mike Brown.

Also interesting is this note from the New York Daily News that Brown plans to ditch the Triangle offense. That’s just crazy talk since the system has had so much success among the one coach who’s managed to be successful with it over the past twenty years primarily using a set of principles which allowed a Hall of Famer shooting guard to routinely break the play and go do his own thing. Tough to imagine the Lakers moving away from such a brilliant and flawless system.

The question will be what Brown will opt for. The only concern brought with Brown is his offensive capabilities. His defense is well-tested and approved, the offense has been downright juvenile at times with other adjectives like “predictable” thrown in. Maybe that’s how Brown got Bryant on his side. “We’ll play defense and our offense is ‘Kobe does what he wants.’” That’ll make him friends with the Mamba fast. Not a bad strategy either.

If this was 2008, I mean.

  1. trbowman - Jun 19, 2011 at 10:41 PM

    I like Mike Brown.

    Course, now that he’s the Lakers coach I have to cheer against him.

  2. randysavage4ever - Jun 19, 2011 at 10:42 PM

    dont think Kobe will see 6 rings.

    He will stop at 5 , 1 less then MJ,

    Lebron will total at 3.

    MJ still the greatest ever. Its sad, I never thought I would see the day where I had to publicly vouch MJ is the GOAT.

    I see on other posts people are question that.

    At the end of the day though…It’s Phil who is the Lord of the Rings.

    • Justin - Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 AM

      The reason it is brought into question is because of players like Kareem Abdul-Jabar (6 rings and all time scoring leader) and Bill Russell (11 rings) will always murk up the situation. Just like craigw24 points out below.

      I mean I mentioned 2 people. 1 with more rings and 1 with the same amount but scored more points in his career. People can’t even settle on the best current player. No way they settle of greatest of all time.

      • randysavage4ever - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:52 PM

        WHAT DOES THE EYE TEST TELL YOU…

        you should never be a Hall of Fame voter – ever.

        the 6 rings Jordan earned were because he was the GUY. Are you watching the same Jordan I was watching? You take Jordan off the Bulls, they dont win 6 rings, you take Jabar off the team, Lakers still find rings with Magic & Worthy, Bill Russell – you have a valid point there, yes he is in the conversation of GOAT- because of the rings & many of those years being the GUY.

        So kareem is eliminated.

        Use the numbers as a key but not the end all be all, its like BCS voting… analytical skills involved, see with your eyes – what does the eye test tell you?

        Jordan = GOAT

      • efueshe - Jun 20, 2011 at 4:01 PM

        20SecondTimeout.blogspot.com’s writer David Friedman has written a many articles highlighting who he considers apart of a pantheon, or a collection of players who one could argue is the GOAT and some current basketball players who could reach this plateau by the time they retire. Basketball has evolved for 65 years and the reasoning behind many peoples’ claim (not to say this isn’t the right claim) that MJ is the GOAT is often very faulty; David offers a succinct account of what newer basketball fans may not know about past players.

    • mytthor - Jun 20, 2011 at 1:51 AM

      I’ve become somewhat of a LeBron apologist, not because I like him but because people hate him so much I think he gets a bad rap. But we’re just giving him 3 championships now? He’s been to the finals twice, swept once, and lost once despite being a heavy favorite. He’s taken a lot of criticism for not coming through in the crunch time – I think it’s a bit overblown, but he sure hasn’t shown anything that makes me want to give him a championship, let alone 3.

      • metalhead65 - Jun 20, 2011 at 8:07 AM

        he deserves all the hate he gets for the way he acts and conducts himself. nobody made him do his self promotional decesion or for he and his mates to do the rockstar press conference where he promised all those titles. pus this is a guy who calls himself “king” then blames everybody but himself when he fails personaly I hope he never wins one but he will probably get it eventually.it will be fun fun rooting against him while he attempts it. but he should never be considered the best no matter how many he gets considering how went about it.

      • almzor - Jun 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

        I can’t help but agree somewhat with metalhead, LeBron brought this on himself. He’s the one who was so busy trying to be an icon he forgot to win a championship. Kudos for him for picking a challenging goal, but the path should look like this: star -> champion -> icon. He’s never been held accountable for his lack of evolution as a player for the simple fact that he started out being so revolutionary that his potential alone was mesmerizing.

        If he holds himself accountable (or has a coach, executive, teammate, posse member, mom, agent, someone?! hold him accountable) and puts the effort into improving his weak areas then he can become everything we were so captivated by when we started watching him. But he’s shown no inclination to develop a post game, which would create matchup hell for other teams.

        He still routinely takes shots like the child playing pretend ball in the driveway. By that I mean that he has a flair for the dramatic. He wants to have that movie moment where the impossible shot goes in, or where he can drive through five guys and get away with it. He grew up on MJ highlights, but took the wrong lessons from them. MJ didn’t go into those moments thinking “I bet this will look really cool on TV” he just wanted to win games. The jaw dropping things he did were a byproduct of that, they weren’t the goal.

        He is really the only thing stopping himself from winning a championship, and that is why he’s taking so much flack right now. The expectations he’s set are so high that he can never overachieve, which is truly too bad.

      • randysavage4ever - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:54 PM

        life is long my friend… this whole caught in the moment, stuck in the moment kinda thing, yeah…

        but in years the runs will come and Lebron will get 3, hes got 10 years to do it, and like you said been to the Finals twice, but in his first year with the Heat, they will be knocking on that door for a while…

  3. craigw24 - Jun 19, 2011 at 10:57 PM

    Since Robert Horry has 7 rings he is obviously better than M.J. With Bill Russell having 11 rings from his play, I suspect he is the Mount Everest of players and M.J. is simply Mt. Whitney.

    Total rings is not irrelevant, but to make that an individual measuring stick in a team game is simply ridiculous. The only thing it measures is the IQ of some fans not willing to do serious thinking or investigation of the game they are rooting for.

    Having to prove that ‘your guy’ is the G.O.A.T. is equally ridiculous. Players’ success is so much a part of their teammates and the systems they play in.

    With our simple minded adherence to the “Highlight Play” and statistics we lose all real appreciation for the game we follow and the people that make up the teams.

    • randysavage4ever - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:57 PM

      well i dunno about all that non-sense you just said, so I’ll keep it simple…

      Jordan is the GOAT. Step on any court in the world & the general consensus is Jordan is the GOAT.

      So whatever, I guess I am not the only one who thinks that, and I really dont think I have to defend a statement like that when Bird & Magic both said Jordan was the GOAT.

  4. skip3525 - Jun 19, 2011 at 11:20 PM

    Ditch the triangle and not win a title and see how much support you get.
    Fans will call for his head after one year.
    Tough situation to be in.

  5. azv321 - Jun 19, 2011 at 11:46 PM

    among the one coach who’s managed to be successful with it over the past twenty years primarily using a set of principles which allowed a Hall of Famer shooting guard to routinely break the play and go do his own thing.

    I mean, Kurt Rambis and Martell Webster were doing OK for a while, I guess.

  6. passerby23 - Jun 20, 2011 at 2:45 AM

    Ditching the triangle is ok if there’s a legitimate backup plan. How are you going to hide Derek Fisher in a more open style? With an old Lakers team thrive in a more up-tempo game? The Lakers are old, their rotations were slow, and they are a year older..

  7. barkley4life - Jun 20, 2011 at 9:13 AM

    They will get along until that first 4gm losing streak and Kobe finds a guy in a parking lot with a video camera and says “Who the f%ck is Mike Brown?”

  8. bobthis - Jun 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    The triangle works best with a dominate center like Shaq was in his hay day. It appears that Bynum will never play a complete season so if the triangle stays Bynum has to go. They need an athletic point guard. Derek has had a great run but it’s over. There is no speed on the Lakers anymore. Except for Odim the entire bench should be sent packing with Walton at the top of the list.

    • barkley4life - Jun 20, 2011 at 10:13 AM

      They are committed to 90 million next year…they team you saw get swept by the Mavs is the team you will see in the beginning of the season barring a hard cap after the new CBA or MAJOR trades.

      Andrew Bynum is the most overrated big man in the game….if he wasn’t on the Lakers no one would even think about having him and Dwight Howard in the same sentence. Andrew Bogut who is just as injury has been a far more talented player. I would take the Lopez Bro. in NJ or Marc Gasol in Memphis before I take a 7ftr who is the 3rd best player on the team and has yet to be truly dominant….not to mention how he mentally broke down again with his temper against Barrea.

      L.A. Hypebeast….

      • cosanostra71 - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM

        Brook Lopez is in no way better than Andrew Bynum. The only thing you can argue he does better is score and that’s because he’s a volume shooter (sub-.500 shooter at 7 feet are you kidding me?). Bynum is a game changer on defense and the boards, as well as a solid pick and roll player on offense.

  9. ljl2 - Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM

    I like how the biggest flaw when looking at Brown’s offense is also the biggest flaw when looking at LeBron’s offense…has a tendency to get stagnant and go into ISO.

    • randysavage4ever - Jun 20, 2011 at 3:57 PM

      wise words.

  10. thetooloftools - Jun 20, 2011 at 6:35 PM

    Kobe will learn to LOVE Mike Brown.
    We thought the world of him here in Cleveland and never blamed him for “The entire offense MUST GO Though ME (LeBron James) offense”. Hell Mike Brown coaches drew up plays and LeBron ignored everything and di what he wanted.
    Kobe wants to win and Mike Brown knows defense.
    They are going to be even more dangerous…. and Kobe has the heart of a champion.
    He will win another ring and I’m not a Lakers fan.

  11. rreducla1 - Jun 21, 2011 at 2:45 AM

    The question will be what Brown will opt for. The only concern brought with Brown is his offensive capabilities. His defense is well-tested and approved, the offense has been downright juvenile at times with other adjectives like “predictable” thrown in. Maybe that’s how Brown got Bryant on his side. “We’ll play defense and our offense is ‘Kobe does what he wants.’” That’ll make him friends with the Mamba fast. Not a bad strategy either.

    If this was 2008, I mean.

    ___

    Well, Matt, you almost made it, but your drooling Kobe-hate tripped you up late in the post. You are the flipside of the guys on ESPN.com message boards who think Bryant is the best player ever, except that you get paid to embarrass yourself.

    Reality: Brown has hired Ettore Messina, an esteemed offensive mind from Europe, to help with his wekaness. Note that Moore, amazingly, forgot to mention this.
    Reality: No one knows how the Lakers’ new offense will look, and how things will work out.

    Like everything else Moore writes about the Lakers, his emotional agenda drags it down and guts any pretense of analysis.

    Or he’s just trolling.

    And either way, he doesn’t have what it takes to admit it.

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