Comments on: Stan Van Gundy wonders if Pippen was actually great

By: solomon151

solomon151 — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:20:25 +0000

Dude you sound dumb, Pippen was one of the greatest small foward to ever play the game. In fact he created a whole new position, being the Bulls Point Foward. When Jordan retired the first time he led the Bulls in seven different catagories and took them to the Semi-Finals with who on the team. When the Bulls played the Lakers in their first championship, Micheal clearly couldnt check Magic in game one, So what did they do, Put Scottie on him and he was locked down for the rest of the series. When in a game five against the Bullets, HE bailed Micheal out after he lost the ball pulling up baseline for a jumper and lost the ball. Scottie caught the ball and drove to the hoop for a two handed slam on the Bullets whole starting five. In game six against Portland Jordan had the flu and the Bulls was down 11, it was Pippen and Paxson the sparked that comeback with Jordan on the bench and won the game and the Championship. As a matter of fact, The Bulls couldnt get past the Piston until Scottie came into his own. To say Scottie Pippen was overrated is just dumb. At his position Who was a better rebounder, Top of the key defender or Better on ball defender. HE could play and often did play four out of the five position on the court. ONly other person I know that did that was Magic and he played center too once. And to say that Rodman was a bigger factor the Pippen on that championship team is just plain out stupid. It just proves to me what I already knew. Most people let the media tell them what to think, instead of using your own eyes to see the facts for yourself.

By: smoke1112

smoke1112 — Fri, 30 Sep 2011 05:02:37 +0000

Pippen was the only man that would even try to hold jordan i mean my opinion is based off a couple old videos ive seen but pippen is a monster he can shoot the rock lock D down make plays happen a all around good player he was a “key” player in the bulls at that time

By: hoopsmccann

hoopsmccann — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:35:24 +0000

James Worthy was the number one pick in the NBA draft. On any team but the Lakers his stats would have been higher across the board. He would have been the number 1 scorer on almost any other team. He would have surely been a multiple time All Star.

By: cleekk

cleekk — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:41:27 +0000

I think the point Pippen was trying to make with the comparison of Lebron and Jordan was that Lebron has more tools than Jordan. There are aspects of Lebron’s game that are superior to Jordans. Jordan had the mental side of it down, though. Everything has come too easy for Lebron and if he ever decides to take it seriously he might start winning championships. You didn’t hear any of the mega-stars from years ago making fun of a competitor that was ill (for example). Generally, the old guard didn’t denigrate their competition at all, but rather put their game face on and went out and took care of business, and demanded that the rest of the team pony up and take the game seriously as well. THAT’s the difference between an uber talented guy like Lebron and mega-stars like Jordan. Jordan “willed” his team and himself to win, where Lebron just seems to expect to win.

By: macjacmccoy

macjacmccoy — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:54:03 +0000

Pippen is Alvin Harper great with Michael Irvin (Jordan) but put him on the Bucaneers (Rockets) and hes not all that talented

By: kilo0986

kilo0986 — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:09:48 +0000

dumb a$$……

By: jaypace

jaypace — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 08:33:29 +0000

And pippen was not a better defender than mj. He did nothing better than mj. All he was is taller.

By: jaypace

jaypace — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 08:31:38 +0000

Pippen is the most overrated player in the history of the NBA. Someone explain how a guy who averaged 17 ppg is one of the top 50 players of all time he would most assuredly be off that list if you include some of today’s stars. He did show his bball iq isn’t too high when he said lebron is better than mj. Pippen is no more than a defensive minded Lamar odom.

By: pff

pff — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:53:58 +0000

series is 3-2 yet spo is getting his “socks coached off”

okay pal…

By: purdueman

purdueman — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:33:43 +0000

Japanese player Tad Iguchi has two MLB Championship rings in just three seasons of playing MLB ball; guess using your logic Tad belongs enshrined in Cooperstown with his bust right next to Babe Ruth’s, huh?

By: purdueman

purdueman — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:28:38 +0000

Big whoop. So Scottie’s got six rings. Dickey Simpson has 4 rings and Will Perdue 3. I gues using your logic both of them belong on the all time greatest NBA player list too, huh?

By: purdueman

purdueman — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:25:21 +0000

I get really tired of the media constantly putting so much stock into how many rings a player does or doesn’t have throughout his career. Fat Dickey Simpson has four rings; should that put him on the all time NBA great player list too? Or Will Perdue who has three rings?

There’s a difference between All Star very good players vs. the all time elite players, and Scottie falls into the former category, just as Robin is no Batman, but still an effective crime fighting sidekick.

Classifying No Tippen Pippen as being one of the all time 10 great NBA players is farcical, even for a die hard Bulls fan like I am.

There are easily 25 former and current NBA greats who fall into the elite class, but Scottie, while being an All Star, isn’t in the same class.

Name me even one of the top 25 all time elite NBA players who ever quit on his team as Pippen did when Phil Jackson drew up the winning shot in a critical game for Toni Kukoc and Scottie then refused to go back into the game. You can’t!`

By: randysavage4ever

randysavage4ever — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:16:07 +0000

scottie top 10 greatest alive or dead.

Scottie was full bars on the original NBA Jam on Super Nintendo…

scottie got 6 rings

By: randysavage4ever

randysavage4ever — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:13:20 +0000

i love stan and usually agree with him 90 % of time, but he way off base, Scottie took Bulls on the brink when Jordan left, they were still in the running for a ring…

i remember those years, and scottie ended this discussion. are we watching the same scottie?

scottie = 6 rings

By: rajbais

rajbais — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:38:34 +0000

Stan Van … stop being a jackass!!!

Any pro who made the 1992 Dream Team at the time was a star!!!

Btw, a guy with 8 All Defensive 1st Team selections with a 18-22 point scoring average during those times was a star. Others who are in his company are Tim Duncan and Walt Frazier.

Also coach, aren’t you on the hot seat???

By: philtration

philtration — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 02:55:31 +0000

Not to mention that he was one of the best defenders of all time.
Jordan was a great defensive player but Pippen was even better.
Come on… 9 time first string All Defensive Team and his name is all over the top 40 in stats on offense and he was not great?

Best SF of the 80s and 90s and it is not even close.
Voted as one of the 50 greatest players of all time.
NBA Hall of Fame.
He changed games on both ends of the floor and now he is supposed to looked down on for playing with Jordan?
Dumb.

Bird played with McHale, Parrish and Dennis Johnson.
Magic played with Kareem, Worthy and Michael Cooper
Jerry West played with Wilt, Elgin Baylor and Gail Goodrich.
Dr. J played with Moses Malone, Barkley, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney and Bobby Jones.
Karl Malone played with Stockton and Hornecek.

Those are some damn good players to have on your team.
Does that mean that none of these guys were really that good or are overrated?

By: philtration

philtration — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 02:32:36 +0000

True.
I am total agreement with you on this one.

By: pudgalvin

pudgalvin — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:07:08 +0000

No way I put Nash, Iverson, Garnett or Nowitzki above Pippen, MVP’s or not. And Paul Pierce? No way he even gets mentioned in the same breath as Pippen. What doesn’t always translate in looking at stats is that Pippen is the best wing defender ever. I don’t even think it’s an argument. Pippen was the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the league for not one, but 2 of the best teams of all time, while also being the primary ball handler and putting up 20 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists per game. And you wanna put Steve Nash in there? Come on man. Nash was one quarter of the player Pippen was.

By: chicagofan

chicagofan — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:19:50 +0000

Another Lifelong Bull’s fan, Pippen was a great player because of Jordan but Jordan needed Pippen to win those 6 championships. Rodman or Horace Grant alone would not have been enough. Pippen does not have the personality to be a leader like Jordan and likely suffers from some degree of an inferiority complex.He also has questionable judgement after stating ringless LeBronze is the best ever. He also has a few baby mommas consistent with that poor judgement. It is irrelevant how he would have done without Jordan, only God knows the answer to that question not VanGundy or anyone else.

By: purdueman

purdueman — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:13:14 +0000

aboogy… that would likely make you 35 years old or younger; am I right?

By: purdueman

purdueman — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:11:44 +0000

drmonkey… go back and re-READ my post. I said that IMO Pippen would have been long forgotten had he played his career with a mediocre, small-mid market city. Last I checked, Chicago, Houston and New York are all in the top 5 US cities in terms of their overall metropolitan populations.

By: purdueman

purdueman — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:01:21 +0000

barkley… wrt a few of your earlier post, just who the hell is “we”? There you go again thinking that more people care about your posts than actually do, but from all your inane “lmao” references, you obviously are easily amused and likely enjoy playing with yourself too.

I’ll give you a challenge… go to google, find other forums, then go away from here and don’t come back and go to one or more of the ones that you find!

By: drmonkeyarmy

drmonkeyarmy — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:59:14 +0000

Not small forward obviously. But on your list of superstars.

By: drmonkeyarmy

drmonkeyarmy — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:58:22 +0000

Hakeem?

By: drmonkeyarmy

drmonkeyarmy — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:55:54 +0000

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Pippen had two really good seasons when Jordan was first retired. So saying he would have disappeared like John Konkac is ridiculous and you know it.

By: barkley4life

barkley4life — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:14:47 +0000

We are waiting…name a better Sf in the game better then Pippen during that 7 year run

By: barkley4life

barkley4life — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:11:16 +0000

When my contract comes up at the end of this year, if Pippen’s not around, I’m not around. I think it’s the same with him. If I’m not around, I have a feeling that he wants to be gone too. I wish there was some way legally that I could give him some of the money that he totally deserves as a player. He’s totally underpaid. For years, I was underpaid, but I played it out, and I think he’s going to play it out too. At the end of three years, I hope they reward him with a just and fair contract.(MJ)

Jordan: I’d like to finish out my years with Pippen and Phil [Jackson]. Pippen’s got three years left; I’d like to play three more years, and we walk out the same time.

Your right Purdue…Roman meant way more to Michael before the last three peat….lmao stop your nonsense

By: purdueman

purdueman — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:04:02 +0000

blue… I grew up on Chicago’s south side. I lived in Naperville for a little under 5 years and we moved there for two very good reasons: 1) It’s almost impossible to find a home with a two car garage, much less a three car garage like we had inside the 294 beltway; and 2) Chicago public schools suck, and Naperville’s are award winning. With young children, it simply was a much better place to be.

Get off your bravado too about “you weren’t living in the city”; technically yes, reality wise no. ALL of our entertainment and dining out (excluding take out), was done in the city of Chicago the entire time we lived there, and my siblings (who we spent a lot of time with), have lived in the city limits for decades. What city do you think we were plugged into? Des Moines?

My brother lives in Beverly close to where we grew up and my sister lives in Wrigleyville. I’ll give you street cred for living in the Chicagoland area during the Bulls championship run, but it’s total crapola to fanticize that we weren’t totally plugged into the city itself. Exactly where do you think that most of the people who take the train everyday to work actually work that live in Naperville? Uh, that would be in downtown Chicago.

By: blueintown

blueintown — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:44:06 +0000

I did live there, I do live there. I was born here, raised here, live here, and will die here. I’ve lived in Jefferson Park my entire life. It’s actually IN the city limits, unlike your former home. Now zip up your fanny pack and return to Naperville with your cargo shorts and knee high socks. I’m done with you. Cheers.

By: purdueman

purdueman — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:37:28 +0000

blue… nice try (and a total waste of time I might add), in trying to discredit me with respect to Pippen, but just because you can google a prepared statement that Pippen’s publicist and agent wrote in advance for him doesn’t mean squat.

I lived there and Pippen’s rips on the Bulls organization were all over talk radio and the newspapers after the Bulls traded him for a long, long time afterwards. That was back in the time that Al Gore had just invented the internet and the internet was in its’ infancy, so unless you actually lived in Chicagoland during that period of time, you’d have no way to know what was really going on and said.

As they say in tennis, “Game, set, match!”.