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Report: Monta Ellis for Andre Iguodala trade discussed

Jun 7, 2011, 2:43 AM EDT

Portland Trail Blazers v Golden State Warriors

Philadelphia and Golden State are two franchises looking to shake things up, and this trade would certainly do that.

According to Ric Bucher at ESPN, Golden State and Philadelphia have discussed a Monta Ellis for Andre Iguodala trade. He adds that this deal is not close to completion but is being discussed.

They could be swapped straight up — Ellis has three years, $33 million left, Iguodala three years $42.3 million — but it wouldn’t be surprising to see other players added in.

This trade makes real sense on the court for Golden State, if they are willing to take on the extra salary. It solves the backcourt uncomfortableness that has been the marriage of Stephen Curry and Ellis. It gives the defensively challenged Warriors a guy who can board and is a quality perimeter defender. The Warriors still want to run and Iggy can finish in transition like a beast.

For Philadelphia, not sure I love the fit, but there is merit. They needed some backcourt scoring punch and someone who can create his own shot, and Ellis is one of the best at that in the league (24.1 points per game last season). But this would make the starting back court Jrue Holiday, Ellis and now Evan Turner — is that a good defensive lineup? It is a bit undersized in the physical East? Turner plays almost as a two, which makes me wonder how he fits with Ellis. But, Philly would save nearly $10 million over three years as part of this and would upgrade their tattoo quotient.

It’s a long way from happening, but of all the crazy rumors that will be flying about before the draft in a couple of weeks, this one makes some sense.

  1. sjawesome - Jun 7, 2011 at 4:30 AM

    No way!!! The warriors need Monta Ellis. Curry and monta will do wonders for the warriors

  2. drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:01 AM

    I’m not sure what to make of this as a Sixer fan. I’m not sure they could get a better play than Ellis for Iggy and it fills a need. Holiday is big for a point guard and has the potential to be an excellent defender so that in theory could compensate for Ellis’ defensive issues. With a guard rotation of Ellis, Holiday and, Lou Williams, what do you do with Turner? Although not a natural shooter, my guess is that Turner improves his range and mid range game this summer. I think you could slot him at the small forward as he rebounds well, but he might get bullied by some of the bigger 3’s. I guess I would make the trade if possible. Sixers desperately need a go to scorer and that is something I know Ellis can provide.

    • barkley4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM

      Im a Sixers fan…we already saw this story…It was Allen Iverson with Eric Snow in the backcourt and Aaron Mckie at the 3….doesn’t work. Monta Ellis is a better version of Lou Williams. This would be a terrible trade. Sixers have scoring in Thaddeus Young Lou Williams and an improving E.T. and Jrue. They definitely need help on the block when your prime big man reserves off the bench are Nocioni and Battie you have issues. Not to mention Spencer Hawes….uggghhh

      If they do this trade count the Sixers out of anything serious for a while.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Jun 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM

        Turner, Ellis, and Holiday are each bigger than McKie, AI, and Snow respectively. I think those worked out pretty well. I mean, they got to the finals and lost against a Laker team that was dominant. In my opinion, that Laker team was the best team of the decade. Anyway, yes the low post is a problem. However, who is available for them to get? Kaman? I will pass on that. Yes, Lou and Jrue are good for about 15 points per game a piece as I believe Turner will be this season. That doesn’t cut it as primary scorers, though. That is why I think Ellis would fit well. With Iggy, the starting line-up looks like this….Hawes, Brand, Iggy, Meeks, Holiday. With Ellis it looks like this Hawes, Brand, Turner, Ellis, Holiday….with Williams, Meeks, Speights, Young off the bench. I like the second line-up better.

      • littlejohn4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM

        If you don’t think that Ellis > Iggy with the contracts being involved then who are you guys hoping for? I’m concerned that Golden State is hurting themselves in this deal, they already have a SF who plays big minutes and decent defense (Dorrell Wright).

        who do the 76ers fans want?

      • CJ - Jun 7, 2011 at 3:17 PM

        This is totally different than AI/Snow. Sixers won’t be able to do any better than Ellis for Iggy, and they should jump at the deal if offer. Thad becomes the 3, and not Turner, who will probably come off the bench and provide depth at both guard spots (with Lou Williams of course) as well as the 3. Meeks is another great asset at the 2, but if he’s your starting 2 and top shooting threat, then let’s just say that I wouldn’t be expecting a much different outcome than that of this season anytime soon.

        This team has no #1 scorer, not Brand, not Iggy, not Thad, and Ellis would rectify that. Having Thad at the 3 and Holliday as a above averaged sized PG alleviates any size concerns on the defensive side.

        Regarding the bigs, trading a guy like Iggy can’t– and won’t–solve all of this team’s problems at once. I see their primary problems are the depth at the 3 hindering the development of their younger guys, the lack of a true big man, and the absense of true scorer anywhere, particularly on the perimeter. Moving Iggy fixes the first problem and getting Ellis fixes the third. I’d say solving two of this team’s three major problems in one move is a good thing.

        Having a bench of Williams, Turner, and Meeks and the flexibility of going small with Thad at the 4, the Sixers would have one of the better benches in the NBA. Hopefully they can hang on to Hawes as a BACKUP center and get lucky with a center in the draft and/or hope Brackins develops in a hurry.

      • cw3214 - Jun 8, 2011 at 12:13 AM

        Actually it did. A.I. won the MVP award and Aaron Mckie won Sixth Man of the Year. Eric Snow couldn’t make a shot but was vital defensively when the Sixers went to the finals. We have only advanced past the fist round once since then, so something was definitely needed. One thing the Sixers lacked last year was someone who could consistently put up 20 points a night. Monta Ellis would give us that.

  3. phillyabe - Jun 7, 2011 at 11:24 AM

    I don’t think you are viewing this trade with open eyes fellas. First things first, Iguodala does not and will not be on the Sixers next year. He has made that known.

    Second, everyone needs a big man so there are not teams lining up for Iguodala offering Kevin Love. The Sixers next biggest need is a scorer who can get his shot and score to stop other teams runs. Lou Williams is a nice player off the bench who a) can’t guard Doug Collins and b) isn’t in the same league as Ellis as a scorer. He cannot get tot the rim whenever he wants like Ellis.

    Finally, with all due respect barkley4life, Eric Snow, during his best season in the NBA wasn’t what Jrue Holiday is already so the comparison goes off the tracks right there. Holiday is already a good defender and he isn’t even able to drink legally yet. The sky is the limit for him. With his size and the fact that Ellis is also a legit 6’3″ (which puts him 2-3 inches taller than AI or Lou), Holiday can guard both guard spots. Nocioni won’t be here, Hawes will be the back-up center and Evan Turner is not an NBA SG. He will slide easily to the 3 just like Iguodala did.

    The Sixers have balanced scoring which is like having two number one goalies in hockey or two starting Qbs. If you have both it means you don’t have one. They need a guy who can score 20 game in and game out.

    Defensively, Ellis can play defense, he just doesn’t always play defense. That’s where Doug Collins comes in.

    Finally and perhaps most important to the Sixers brass, Ellis is flashy and puts fannies in the seats. With a bad team the Warriors averaged 4,000 more in attendance ON THE ROAD than the play-off bound Sixers did at home. You can’t eliminate that factor. The Sixers are hemorrhaging money.

    It’s a good deal and at least gives the Sixers the potential to be better.
    I’m in no way saying it’s the best thing since sliced bread, but right now you are looking at 41 wins and first round exits. This raises the potential a good bit.

    • barkley4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 6:33 PM

      Trust me Ellis isn’t putting butts in the seats. If the Sixers are the 5th best team in the east and you have the first place Phillies, Eagles, Flyers your telling me you would rather see Monta Ellis and the Sixers? Come on now.

  4. chadronald40 - Jun 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    Wow, this guy just compared Monta Ellis to Allen Iverson..First, lets just point out he is not A.I. How are you comparing Holiday with…..SNOW!? and Evan Turner with Mckie? Really? First turner is a lot bigger and will be a better player then Mckie(hint he was the 6th man) Snow was no shooter, he had flashes but wasn’t anything like Jrue is now….So stop comparing because its not even close…Turner is going to be great….Holiday as well…Snow was a role player and mckie was too

    • barkley4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM

      Who compared AI to Monta Ellis? I’m comparing backcourts with small SG read first. Ellis is a 2 in a 1 body.

    • barkley4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM

      No I didn’t I compared a small 2 to another small 2. Eric Snow was a beast defensively or are you forgetting that? He ALLOWED AI to be able to play 2. Monta Ellis is a scoring point he’s not a two guard and will get abused by two guards in the East. He’s not an off the ball two and scores in volume. So put a ball dominant undersized 2 on a team with other ball dominant players with no three point threats on the floor and that’s going to work out real well.

  5. barkley4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    There is nothing on the Warriors that Philly needs right now. Philly like most other teams need bigs. The two only competent big man are Elton Brand and Mareese Speights(who is all offense and no D). If Andres Biedrins wasn’t hurt he would be a nice throw in but Sixers dont need guards. At the 1 and 2 alone they have Williams Jrue E.T. and Jodi Meeks.

    I would love if they could work a deal out that involves Serge Ibaka of OKC. OKC needs a defender that the defense has to pay some attention two…Sefalosha is a great defender but is not a threat at all…Iggy thrives in transition and can stay on the floor and gives the Thunder plenty of matchup options(Durant the 4 in small lineup Perkins or Collison at Center).

    Ibaka fits the Sixers defense mold and can fill the lines and hit that open jumper. Elton Brand then has backup against the bigger 4s in the league and the Sixers can finally put Thaddeus Young at the 3 and move E.T. to the 2. Maybe move Williams or keep him as your Jamal Crawford type off the bench and Jodi Meeks can provide scoring of the bench as well.

  6. nfl25 - Jun 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM

    why do i keep hearing sixer fans say we need to keep getting younger. thats fun and all but all u do is keep losing when u do that. At some point u gotta stop building for the future. What happens is u keep adding young guys and the young guys u had are all due for new contracts and they leave. Thad Young could be on his way out, and all I heard since we got him is, we need to keep adding young guys for the future, well we did and now he is on his way out.

    • CJ - Jun 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM

      either Iggy or Young has to go…personally I think it should be Iggy that goes and this deal would be perfect for the Sixers.

      The issue is that Iggy, Thad and Turner should all be getting quality minutes at the 3, and Thad and Turner won’t develop properly until they do. But no coach in his right mind can sit a guy like Iggy. Therefore, at leat one of the above has to go, and we all know it won’t be Turner.

      • barkley4life - Jun 7, 2011 at 4:46 PM

        Iggy has to go…if I see him brick one more foul line jumper after 7 years my head will explode. He is what he is a great 3rd option a Lamar Odom type can run point fwd…score in transition play 2 and 3’s great on defense but as a first and second option the guy is lost.

  7. nfl25 - Jun 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM

    NBA structure sux, you gotta hit the powerball and draft the next Jordan or u just sux forever

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