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Phil Jackson isn’t a big fan of the Kings’ Anaheim relocation plan

Mar 26, 2011, 7:00 PM EDT

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Phil Jackson’s not exactly what you would call a friend to the NBA small market. He played in New York, coached in Chicago and then Los Angeles. He’s supported contraction, despite growing up, attending high school, and college in small market areas, albeit ones without NBA teams. But Jackson has been surprisingly supportive of Sacramento keeping the Kings, and now has come out against a move to Anaheim.

Prior to the Lakers’ game against the Clippers, reporters asked Jackson his thoughts on Anaheim adding a third team to the area market. From the Los Angeles Times:

“What other metropolitan area has three teams in it?” Jackson said rhetorically. “It’s ridiculous to put another franchise in this market. It just doesn’t make sense to do that.

via¬†Phil Jackson: Lakers coach says third NBA team in Southland is ‘ridiculous’ – latimes.com.

Jackson’s got a pretty good point there. L.A.’s the biggest market, but three teams is pretty ridiculous. Were the team to not be able to pull a big enough portion of fans from the other fanbases, what’s the point of moving it from somewhere that’s already proved it can come out in droves when the team isn’t God-awful.

Unfortunately, the Maloofs are the ones in control of the decision. The only thing standing in their way at this point is their conscience (let’s all laugh out loud) and the other owners who can vote down the move based on their own selfish reasons.

I feel better already.

 

  1. smokehouse56 - Mar 26, 2011 at 8:23 PM

    Jackson isn’t qualified to make any kind of statement like this. He has only coached teams with super stars. I can do that. I don’t want to hear how great this man is or thinks he is.

    • lakesidelakersfan - Mar 26, 2011 at 11:02 PM

      Several other teams have super stars. By the time the Conference finals are on, each participating team has more than one legitimate super star on their roster. Coaching the egos of millionaires is an art form.

      • sdboltaction - Mar 27, 2011 at 12:03 AM

        If they want to go to SoCal so bad, move ‘em to SD.

      • purdueman - Mar 28, 2011 at 2:42 AM

        San Diego has no NBA ready facility, the city is in bankruptcy and will lose the Chargers to LA after next season, so that’s not a viable option. No, Sterling was very wise to get out from the complete DUMP that is the San Diego Sports Arena when he did. His mistake was not moving to the Honda Center because he owns a lot of buildings on Wilshire Blvd in LA and didn’t want to be bothered with the drive down to the OC anymore than most in the OC want the headache of commuting up to LA for weeknight game.

    • fouldwimmerlaik - Mar 27, 2011 at 2:08 AM

      Really now? Then how come you’re not the one coaching? And if you do coach, where are your rings?

      Are you telling us then that Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, and Gasol are the only superstars capable of back-to-back championships?

      Must be some mean stuff you’re smoking, dude.

      Do some reflection and look in the mirror. You must be green of envy all over, you might as well be mistaken for weed.

      Jackson’s remarks make sense. Too bad haters like you just look at the speaker and not the sense of his message.

    • rapmusicmademedoit - Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 PM

      how many rings do you have?

      • purdueman - Mar 29, 2011 at 7:46 PM

        How many rings Phil has has absolutely nothing with him sticking his big nose in on the Kings relocation issue where it doesn’t belong. All Phil I’m sure is doing is acting as his girlfriends mouth piece on the issue. For those of you who may live under a rock somewhere and don’t know, Phil’s squeeze is Jeanie Buss, VP of the Lakers and daughter of the owner.

  2. omniusprime - Mar 27, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    Phil Jackson is correct that moving the Kings to Anaheim is a big mistake because three teams is one team too many in even a large market like Los Angeles. The Maloof brothers have far more money then intelligence and the Kings only hope is that someone with money and a clue would buy the team from them. Look at the success the Oklahoma Thunder are having as a brand new small market team where the locals have really embraced having an NBA team in their city. Come to think of it Seattle seems a good place to try moving the Kings to as I’m sure the denizens there have learned their lesson about not supporting their local NBA franchise. The Repeat World Champion Lakers own LA and that will only increase in June when they Threepeat!

    • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM

      omni… Since when were you named the head economist for Southern California? You ever been to Oklahoma? There’s nothing to do there except to dust your home or apartment every day (the one thing they have there is lots and lots and lots of dust!). That goes a long ways towards making an NBA team viable. Let’s see though how viable they will remain though once Kevin Durant isn’t on their roster and they have only a 15 win team.

      The idea that the LA market can’t support three NBA teams is frankly just silly. If you live in the market (as I do), you’d know that Orange County is a completely different market than that of LA and has more than enough money and population to easily support their own NBA team in Anaheim.

      Here are the facts, son. The Oklahoma City metro area according to the 2010 census has 1.25M people. Orange County, CA has approximately 2.8M people, or put another way roughly double the size of Oklahoma City. And the Honda Center in Anaheim is still one of the nicest arenas in the country to see an event in.

      As for the likelihood of the Lakers “threepeating” (trying to hijack a term associated with the great Bulls teams of the ’90′s)? Fahgetaboutit! In fact, I’m going to put a bottle of really good champaign on ice to have on hand to celebrate when they get eliminated this year!

      • lakesidelakersfan - Mar 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM

        They already have a 3peat. (2000-2002)

      • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 4:56 PM

        lake… of course they do… thanks largely in part due to Shaq and Coach Pheal.

        What I was referring to was the hijacking of the term “three-peat” from the glory days of the Chicago Bulls and my extreme skepticism (and hope), that they won’t repeat the feat again this year!

      • davidly - Mar 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM

        Those were great Chicago teams. But “three-peat” was coined by Pat Riley (who never managed one, but came close).

      • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM

        davidly… you are absolutely correct! Riley came up with the term and (as I recall), trademarked it when the Bulls were going for their third title in a row the first time around (1990-1992), then made a tidy sum of money off the licensing rights afterwards. All you can do is tip your hat to him for that.

        My point though was that “three-peat” became synonymous with the two Chicago Bulls title runs and it then got hijacked by Laker fans, announcers and reporters. Just a pet peeve of mine, but I don’t think that sports teams should steal other teams shtick! Boston fans made a feeble attempt at hijacking Green Bay’s moniker of “Titletown” a few years ago, but thankfully nobody bought into it.

        I truly believe that the Bulls would have run off eight or nine straight titles had Michael Jordan’s Father not been murdered causing him to take that really weird detour in baseball.

        Had the Bulls kept the team together after their second three-peat I think that they would have won four in a row, but by that point there was so much animosity and distrust of then Bulls fat little paranoid GM (Krumbs Krause), that most everyone on the team wanted to move on.

        As for Pheal? (Jackson). Thank God he broke pompous loudmouth Auerbach’s all time championship wins record! I only wish that the old bast_ard would have lived long enough to see it. I’d love to go visit his big (and it is BIG), headstone and tack up a note on it that reads: “Here doesn’t lie the winnest basketball coach in NBA history”; bet I’d hear him roll over while I put it up!!!

      • davidly - Mar 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM

        You don’t hear a lot about the high absurdity that was the breakup of a team that had just won 62 regular season games and went on to win their third straight title. Astonishing really. I think it was conceivable that they could have won ten straight from 91-01…

        Which brings us to PJ in LA: You can’t give the team grief for using a trademark. If you’re gonna do that, you gotta gripe to the Bulls. ANY team that wins three in a row has earned the right to call it a three-peat…

        Which brings me to: I don’t give credit to Riley for anything; other than having coached well. Trademarking the name you couldn’t bring home yourself is crass commercialism and represents the kind of greed that I despise.

        Phil has the three-peat three-peat. No copyright necessary.

  3. ocgunslinger - Mar 27, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    I can tell you with a degree of accuracy (since I live about 3 miles from the Honda Center) there is absolutely no local support for a team in Anaheim. This is Laker country folks, has been since 1960 and will be for the future. Ask the Clippers.

    • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM

      ocgun… just because you are obviously a Laker Homer doesn’t mean that there’s no local support in Orange County for their own NBA team; such an assertion is frankly just silly. The exact same thing was said about the Ducks when they came to the Honda Center. Oh… there’s no support for them because everyone is a Kings fan! LOL! We’ve all seen how that’s played out. Since when were you appointed the spokesperson for the approximately 2.8M people who live in Orange County?

      If you think that all 2.8M are Laker fans, you’re very naive. I live in south Orange County and am going to put a bottle of good champaign on ice in order to celebrate when the Lakers go down and get eliminated in the playoffs this year. I have a bad case of “Laker Fatigue” which is brought on by too much hype, WAY to much talk radio and a rapist on the team who bought his way out of a felony that he committed in Colorado and gets a hall pass from the media over having done so simply because he’s the best player on the team.

      As for the Clippers? The last time I checked Donald Sterling wasn’t crying poverty with his ownership stake in the Staples Center nor over a lack of support for the Clippers. Ask Billy Crystal how he feels about your ridiculous assertion. Funny, but not all of LA are Lakers fans either, or the Clippers wouldn’t have so many season ticket holders now would they?

      The Kings are moving to Anaheim, the Clippers not only aren’t leaving LA, but soon will have the top superstar in LA in Blake Griffin too, and the aging Lakers will go into predictable decline once Coach Phil rides off on his horse for good to Montana at the end of this season. Deal with THAT!

      • Kurt Helin - Mar 27, 2011 at 11:57 AM

        Purdueman, lets not overstate the support the Ducks get. The OC market is a fickle one — the Ducks attendance rides up and down with the team on the ice. This season they are 26th in he NHL in attendance and 23rd in percentage of building filled.

        There is some support for the Kings/Royals, but how much there will be after a protracted lockout remains to be seen. (Hey, buy tickets to see your NBA team! We’ll start playing as soon as our players and owners stop fighting over how to divide up your money.) It is not a good lease deal, that they are willing to take it says all you need to know about the Sacramento deal and market (much more corporate sponsorship possibilities in OC).

      • ibejeph - Mar 27, 2011 at 12:39 PM

        Purdueman, you represent about half a percentage of local basketball fans. The vast majority of people in the area who follow basketball are Lakers fans. It is undeniable. There is are a small group of people who hate everything LA and SoCal and still live here for some reason. I guess you are one of them.

        I live in OC my self. Most people here could not care less about professional sports teams. Look at your commment above anout OKC, there is nothing to do there. Here there is so much to do, the proverbial surf in the morning and snowboard in the after, plus everything in between. No one is clamoring for another professional team because there is already plenty of action for sports fans.

        Don’t over represent yourself as some kind of voice for a silent majority. I’ve lived in OC my entire life, I grew up on Magic and Kareen so have all my friends. Everyone I know, at least the ones who care about sports, are Lakers fans. Period.

        The kings are going to fail.

      • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 1:11 PM

        ibej… you talk as if you’re not a Laker Homer you can’t be a basketball fan in Southern California and that’s simply not the case or the Clippers would have moved out a long, long time ago and the Kings wouldn’t be packing right now to move here either.

        I don’t at all hate all teams in Southern California; that’s just absurd to think that any big sports fan like me would.

        I will tell you though what I do hate… I hate the non stop hype Mychal Thompson and John Ireland are constantly heaping on the Lakers all of the time. I hate the fact that Kobe Bryant was able to buy his way out of a felony conviction in Colorado and continues to get a hall pass from the fans and media over his reprehensible past behavior. And I hate the totally shady way that the Angels signed Bartolo Colon and Torii Hunter as free agents (prior to the Hunter signing I took my family to lots of Angels games, but not since).
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        The above things I truly do hate. I also stopped going to Dahyears games a few years ago because fewer and fewer fans in the stands actually speak English now and the stadium has the worst security of any venue in any sport that I’ve had the pleasure to go to (and I’ve been to several stadiums/arenas all over the country as I travel for a living). None of that though is at all relevant to the move of the Kings.

        Have you ever heard the phrase “birds of a feather flock together”? I wouldn’t expect Laker Homers to hang out with anyone other than other Laker Homers, so I’m not at all shocked by you stating that “everyone is a Laker fan” in Southern California. Billy Crystal and I just to name two NBA fans certainly aren’t! … and yes, I do from time to time buy my way in to the Staples Center to watch the Clips play too!

      • lakesidelakersfan - Mar 27, 2011 at 4:50 PM

        About the only thing that you’ve said that remotely makes any sense is that Blake Griffin is good. The Lakers have been grooming Jacksons heir apparent for some time now. Big shoes to Phil, (yuk yuk) having someone that knows the offense, assuming they keep the same one, is a plus. A veteran team will help the transition too.

      • purdueman - Mar 28, 2011 at 2:44 AM

        lakeside… I’m sure you’re referring to Brian Shaw as being the “groomed heir apparent” to Phil Jackson, just as Kurt Rambis was the “heired groom apparent” head coach at one time too and we all saw how well that planned worked out now, didn’t we? (LOL!).

    • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 12:32 PM

      Kurt H… I don’t put too much stock into anything related to the National Ice Fighting and Cheap Shot League; in fact, I just wish that the NHL would all contract back to Canada and only keep their original charter member US teams (Chicago, Detroit and Boston), to where they belong and be done with it.

      Prior to the NHL prolonged lockout, the Ducks had more than enough support in the OC to be economically viable and profitable. The lockout, as did the baseball lockout in ’94, though turned off tens of thousands of fans and when the new deal with the players was eventually struck, many of the Ducks household name star players were dispatched in order to have the team fall in line with the then new salary cap.

      When you can’t tell the players without a scorecard, and can’t spell, much less even pronounce many of their names and can’t recognize them on the street because they wear helmets when they play, there’s just not much there that was left to “connect” with the fan base.

      Sure, the Kings are going to go through the same thing (i.e., initially being a bunch of unknowns), but the one thing that the NBA knows how to do is to market its’ players (moreso than its’ teams). All the Maloofs will need to do is to lure at least one high profile name player to Anaheim (which will be a lot easier to do than when the team is in cow country like Sacramento), and they’ll be fine.

      The bottom line is that any pro team now needs a base of luxury box owners and season ticket holders for the highest priced seats; anything else is just gravy. My wifes company owns a luxury box at the Honda Center and isn’t even going to blink at writing a bigger check to cover the 81 additional dates (or more), that will be added with an NBA team.

      In other words, 75% or more of the luxury boxes will be sold out for the Kings day #1, and there’s so much money in the OC that I’m sure all of the 100 and the good 200 Club Level seats will all be quickly spoken for too and sold out. That leaves just the 400 level and the seats behind the baskets and those will (I’m sure), be “family priced”, not the $45 a pop that the Lakers get away with charging for the much higher/worse seats in the 300 level of the Staples Center.

      No argument with you regarding the OC and LA being “fickle” markets though, simply because there are probably more entertainment options in Southern California than anywhere else in the world (as we are truly blessed with a veritable cornucopia of really nice venues to go to), but all the Kings need to succeed is a core fan base of around 10,000 and the rest will ebb and flow as the teams fortunes in the standings go.

      The NBA has done a marvelous job of making their games a place to take a date or make a night on the town. The wine spritzer crowd simply loves going to NBA games and the Honda Center with its’ marble floors and great sight-lines is simply a “destination point” that has easy access from all across the OC. Yes the “Orange Crush” remains a nightmare to drive through, but it’s still one heck of a lot better than trying to fight the miserable traffic to the Staples Center from the OC on a work night.

      The Lakers and Clippers are never going to leave LA, because both owners/ownership groups/successors to have a financial stake in the Staples Center. That would be like one biting off nose in spite of ones’ face. That’s why we haven’t seen the kind of wild outcry from the Clippers and Lakers owners that we’ve seen from the San Francisco Giants in their attempts to block the Oakland A’s from moving 42 miles south (i.e., away in the opposite direction from the Giants which I find to be absurd), to a new downtown San Jose facility.

      As far as I’m concerned, so called “territorial rights” are an obsolete clear restraint of trade from days long since passed. The only way that they should IMO ever factor them in is if an existing franchise can make a solid case proving that they will be significantly economically harmed by a move such as the Kings to Anaheim (and neither the Lakers or the Clippers can make such a case).

      Do you know that statistically speaking everytime a Starbucks moves in within a couple of blocks of an existing mom and pop coffee shop/cafe that the mom and pop’s stores business goes up on average by 40%? In other words, the new buzz that the Kings will bring to LA and the OC will actually be beneficial for all three NBA teams in the long run, as it will generate a lot more interest in NBA basketball.

      What I don’t get is why so many Laker fans are seemingly so insecure about having another team in Southern California. It’s clear that the Buss family certainly isn’t worried about it, and frankly if I were them I wouldn’t be either! What Laker ticket holders from the vast San Fernando Valley are going to fight the traffic all the way down to Anaheim on a worknight to watch the new team play there instead of going to the Staples Center? Maybe one or two, but it’s not going to be any kind of an impact on either Laker or Clipper home attendance.

  4. purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    ibey… It has been written many a time that statistically speaking, 20% of any population will be against the other 80%, even if to take sides as to which direction the sun sets every day.

    There are over 14,000,000 in the LA/OC metropolitan area, so that means that at least 2,800,000 at a minimum aren’t Laker fans. The NBA can’t draw 2.8M fans/season/team like many big city MLB fans do, nor even the 1.4M needed to account for the NBA having 50% home dates than MLB either, so an NBA franchise doesn’t need to capture much nearly as much of a big market in order to be successful.

    In addition, as EVERYONE knows, the LA/OC areas are among the most fluid in the world with people constantly moving in and out from other states and countries who’s allegiances to any sports teams remain with them from wherever it is they grew up and/or moved in from.

    Their kids however are different because the LA/OC becomes where they develop their allegiances that will oftentimes last a life time. So a Dad who takes his kids to see whatever visiting team he wants to see play exposes his kids to whatever game he’s taking them to and more often than not those kids wind up growing up fans of their home team.

    If you don’t believe me, just go to a few Angels games this season and look at the thousands of kids who are carrying their rally monkeys and/or wearing Angel garb. These aren’t fans that the Dodgers lost; these are fans who the Angels won over.

    In other words, with there also being 2.8M people in Orange County, there are tens of thousands of future fans of any team that will move into the Honda Center and take up roots to be nurtured and converted over to the new team. Fans who today don’t go to either Clipper or Lakers games, but will want to go to NBA games without the expense and terrific hassle of fighting LA traffic to go up to the Staples Center.

    Watch and see; sure it’s going to take time to build and grow the fan base, but the Kings will do just fine in Anaheim. I just don’t get why so many Lakers are so bent all out of shape over the Kings move. I guess it must just be jealousy knowing that over time the Kings will develop their own loyal fan base and lose interest in both the Clippers and Lakers in the process.

  5. schoolboy834 - Mar 27, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    When it comes to pure basketball sense, i feel like the Kings have nothing to offer the OC / LA area. They have nice young players, but they do not really stack up to any of the other 2 teams in LA. Sure, both the Clippers and the Kings are not playoff contenders, but the Clippers have Blake Griffin, someone who has made a name for himself with the casual NBA fans. I doubt many casual fans know who Marcus Thorton (excuse my spelling) is or maybe even Tyreke Evans to some extent. How are they going to attract people to even want to come to their games? Because theyre close? The only reason i would ever go to a Kings game is to watch the OTHER team.

    and @puredueman you say the aging Lakers will go into a decline, and that is probably true once Kobe retires, but the Lakers go into decline for what? 5 years? History shows the Lakers are for the majority contenders, and i dont see why that should change now.

    • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 4:07 PM

      schoolboy… it really doesn’t matter what team moved to Anaheim, because any team that needs to relocate isn’t going to have any star power to begin with. Any team relocating needs to establish and then build a new fan base, regardless of the sport.

      There are two ways to quickly gain relevance for the Kings: 1) Sign a big name free agent (much more likely to attract one to the LA/OC market than the Sacramento market); and/or 2) Trade/draft known local products who already have name recognition in the market from former UCLA and USC players.

      Everyone knows that both OJ Mayo-naise (USC), and Baron Davis (UCLA), can be had for a song this upcoming offseason. No, neither are All Stars, but they are well recognized “local” names from which to build on. Although not available for a few more years, Kevin Love (UCLA), would be a huge “get” too.

      Another avenue available for the Kings is to also bring in former (or soon to be former), Lakers and Clippers. I’m sure that the Lakers would jump at the chance to unload off injured fan favorite Luke Walton right now (if for no other reason than because the Lakers are paying the luxury tax), and there are other second team former Lakers out there that could also be brought in with little to no investment.

      That’s what I’d do if I were the Kings GM, as even though the Kings figure to get lottery picks in the next couple of NBA drafts, the next two drafts (especially this years), is generally panned to be very weak and won’t offer much help there.

      As for the aging Lakers and their inevitable decline? If you think that’s going to take 5 years to happen, barring a major free agent acquisition I’ve got some beach front land in South Florida to sell to you if that’s what you really think… just remember to come to see it at low tide!

      Here’s the list of who on the Lakers current roster are on the wrong side of 30: Artest, Barnes, Blake, Bryant, Fisher, Gasol, Odom, Ratliff, Smith and Walton, 3 of whom are starters and 1 of which gets major minutes (Odom).

      Compare that list with the rising conference rival Thunder and the players that they have on the wrong side of 30: Collison and Mohammad (although as we have seen with Shaq and Thomas (Bulls), simply because of their size and ability to give 6 fouls big centers can play well into their late ’30′s). That’s the Thunders entire list of over 30 guys and both are second teamers.

      Sure, it really doesn’t take much in the NBA these days to just make the playoffs, but I think this is the last kick at the can the Lakers are going to get for a championship for a long time to come barring a couple of major roster changes.

      As for Blake Griffin? Huge potential, but little personality. The guy has all the personality of a box of corn flakes, but I’m sure that Mitch Kupchak is already licking his chops over the thought of being able to steal him away from the hapless Clippers.

      Unfortunately for you Laker fans though, David Stern isn’t going to step in again to grease the skids as he did in the Gasol giveaway when it comes to meddling with a large TV market team (and one that doesn’t have financial problems like tiny market Memphis had at the time of the Gasol salary dump/giveaway).

      • fouldwimmerlaik - Mar 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

        Laker fan here. As far as your post here is concerned, I have to agree with your points in this argument.

        We just have to agree to disagree though of the concept of having three teams in the same area.

      • purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 8:49 PM

        foundw… fare enough! (i.e., disagreeing about the LA/OC being able to comfortably support three NBA franchises).

        I remember though when Starbucks decided to go national how everyone said that there was no way cities would support upscale coffee houses and here we are years later and there seems to be one about every six blocks or so in most major cities.

        The LA/OC metro area has over 14,000,000 people; NBA arena’s only hold between 18,000-22,000 fans on average and have only 41 schedule home dates a season. It doesn’t seem like much of a stretch to me that such a populated area won’t have any problem supporting three teams.

        The proof, however, is as the old saying goes, in the pudding. The Malgoof’s are on shaky financial ground, with everything riding (if you pardon the pun), on their casino. It wouldn’t therefore surprise me if the move is predicated on their ability just to increase the value of the Kings franchise so that they can get out in a few years.

      • schoolboy834 - Mar 28, 2011 at 3:49 AM

        I disagree with your claim that bringing in either ex lakers or local products will increase the kings popularity. First of all, both are role players at this point in their career. You believe people will flock to see someone play 15-20 minutes a night? Although i like OJ as a player and secretly hope the Lakers obtain him somehow, i doubt he has a fanbase large enough to support even 1/10 of the Honda center in terms of selling tickets. Baron Davis? He did play in LA, but no one cared, because he doesnt care. Luke Walton? I doubt anyone will pay to see him pass and brick open jumpers. The only players that would draw people to the Kings that are from LA are unobtainable (Blake Griffin, Kobe, Gasol, for example).

        In regards to the Lakers, yes they are old. But for some reason, whether it be Hollywood or History or just the overall culture of the Lakers, they always seem to obtain a “superstar” type player. I do not doubt that someone will join the Lakers that again takes them to playoff contenders after the Kobe era.

        As for blake griffin, ya the dude is dull. But so is durant. Neither player needs to be outspoken to make headlines.

        Lastly, i never said i was a laker fan, you just assume because i made a comment about them. You are right, however, but i am not ignorant. I see the Thunder in the rear view mirror, the scary Blazers if they get healthy, and i see the Clippers being very good if they ever get their act together. Im sorry you disapprove of the Lakers being in a large TV market and attract free agents and they make lots of money. Its just how it is. I do not wish ill upon the Kings. I just do not see the Kings succeeding.

      • purdueman - Mar 29, 2011 at 12:28 PM

        schoolboy… long and well thought our response from you. Where to begin…

        I didn’t mean to imply that by bringing in former UCLA and USC stars and former ex-Lakers fringe players (and that includes fan fav Walton), would make the Kings more competitive. What it would do though is make them more relevant and allow the team to connect faster with the market. In order to succeed in Anaheim, the Kings will have to generate buzz.

        I don’t doubt that the Lakers will be able to eventually replace Kobe with another marque star, because both Jim and Jeannie Buss (the heir apparent successors), both really seem to have a good head on their shoulders and their act together and realize how important that will be to do.

        What I am saying though is that there’s going to be a bump in the road coming sooner than later, because four of the current Lakers “core” players all have big or monster contracts and are all over 30 (Gasol, Bryant, Odom and D-Fish who I think should retire at the end of this season). The first three alone guarantee the Lakers getting hit with the luxury tax, and the new anticipated NBACBA is projected to lower the salary cap which in turn would also increase the Lakers luxury tax.

        That leaves the Lakers with a “gap” until those three players have all moved on and are off the books. Odom will be the first to go because Bynum is finally blossoming into a potential franchise player. With Odom’s high profile hollywood bride now, he’ll want to stay in the LA market. Can you say, Anaheim? It would be a good move for the Kings even if Odom has passed his peak.

        The Lakers have always been about “Showtime”; Griffen isn’t a fit as the face of the franchise. Like Duncan in San Antonio though, Durant (as you have pointed out), is a quiet laid back kind of a guy and realizes that he’s a perfect fit for small market Oklahoma City. No, the Lakers in order to replace Kobe are going to need a guy who can dominate the media. It’s too soon to project though who that player might be (and don’t even think about Derrek Rose. Rose is FROM Chicago and loves being there, and the Bulls aren’t cheap so there’s no reason for him to ever move on).

        And finally, I don’t care how much money the Lakers or the Buss Family makes; they’ve been terrific owners and as such deserve whatever they make. What I tire of is “Laker fatigue”, which results from pointless non stop sports talk radio about each and every little thing about every game that they play getting blown way out of proportion.

        Hello Mason and Ireland and Mychal Thompson? Time to wake up! Baseball season opens on Friday and last I checked the LA market still has two teams. How about cooling the non stop Laker talk and give at least a little bit of that air time to the Angels and Dodgers?

  6. zooguitar - Mar 27, 2011 at 8:23 PM

    Hey Purdueman:

    So let me get this straight, you’re successful business plan for the Kings involves:

    1) Moving them to a market that already services 2 established NBA teams

    2) Build on Baron Davis, OJ Mayo, Luke Walton and Kevin Love that would inspire local nostalgia

    3) Sign a big-name free agent.

    Here’s where reality sets in:

    1) Why would you select a market that AT BEST you would show up as a distant #2 option when you could move to a market (Seattle, Kansas City) that is actually starved for NBA options?. It makes no sense.

    2) Baron Davis is not only washed up, but has a very bad reputation in the league as a lazy overpaid prima donna (and it’s not exactly unwarranted). OJ Mayo is not even starting for a team fighting to make the playoffs. Luke Walton hasn’t contributed significantly to the Lakers since 2007. And for all the nice things about Kevin Love, he makes absolutely no impact on his team’s ability to win.

    3) Maloof’s are broke and can’t afford to sign anyone. This is a stop-gap measure for them to improve the value of their one valuable asset (Kings) until they can sell in a couple years to fix their massive casino business debt.

    The bottom line is that people in Orange County are not bored to the point where they will pay Clippers-prices to see a team that is significantly worse than the Clippers. The Maloofs have made it clear that they cannot afford on their own the level of arena that they need to claim a profit.

    • purdueman - Mar 28, 2011 at 2:34 AM

      zooguitar: Reality: Seattle doesn’t have any more of an NBA competitive arena than Sacramento does. Fact! Kansas City has an NBA ready new arena, but is in too small of a television market to get the Malgoof’s attention, and lacks the needed corporate sponsorships to sell out their luxury boxes (whereas Anaheim’s are already 90% sold).

      Even though they may have run a bad basketball operation is a very, very limited market of Sacramento doesn’t mean that the Malgoof’s became millionaires because they are stupid businessmen. Like you don’t think that they’ve carefully studied their options? Give me an ‘effing break!

      Are you the Malgoof’s accountants? Sounds to me like owning a casino is likely a pretty lucrative business. I hardly think that they are driving around in old Dodge Darts and living in a studio apartment.

      And where did you get your ticket pricing information? From up your rear end, perhaps? If you think that the Kings will charge the absurd $45/ticket prices that the Lakers do for the nose bleed 300 section in the Staples Center for the better seats in the 400 section of the Honda Center, I think that you are going to be unpleasantly surprised. I think it’s far more likely that the 400 section in the Honda Center will have “family friendly” pricing just as the Ducks currently do.

      You sound like just another paranoid Lakers fan that an NBA team will succeed.

  7. purdueman - Mar 27, 2011 at 9:42 PM

    Here’s some interesting quick math…

    The Honda Center seats approximately 18,500 for basketball. It’s a fair bet that half of those seats will be quickly sold to season ticket holders, as there’s an awful lot of money in Orange County. The luxury boxes are about 90% sold out as is now, and most of those box holders should easily spring for the added NBA games. The 100 and 200 level “must be seen on tv drinking a wine spritzer acting important on a cell phone” seats, the second most expensive seats, figure to all go quickly too.

    For sake of argument, let’s just say that only half the seats initially get bought by season ticket holders. That would leave approximately 750,000 seats left to be sold. Figure that 15 of the Kings/Royals home games will all sell out because of either top teams or marque stars coming through town (including the interest of course by local Lakers and Clippers fans for those games). There’s another roughly 140,000 seats sold every year.

    That leaves only 610,000 seats left to be sold. Now throw in about 10 “family night” deep discounted promo pack nights for the leagues bottom feeders, selling 80% of the remaining non season tickets for those games. There’s another approximately 75,000 tickets sold, bringing the remaining available seats for sale for the remaining 16 games down to 535,000 remaining unsold seats.

    There are approximately 2.8M people in Orange County. If just 25% of those people buy four tickets to just two Kings/Royals remaining available home games, there’s another 100,000 tickets sold. Doesn’t seem to me like the Malgoof Brothers have much to worry about!

    • ibejeph - Mar 27, 2011 at 11:42 PM

      Purdue, the leaps of faith you are making are just too much. You start off just assuming that in a sports saturated market that half the seats will be sold off as season tickets. Right, because people with money love blowing it on season tickets for a crappy team with shoddy management…that happens all the time…I’m being sarcastic.

      Then you pull out from who knows where that there 15 must see games that will sell out. What are those 15 must see games? Let’s say 2 for the Lakers…now we have 13 to make up. 1 for the celtics and 1 for the heat….that’s 11 more to cross the great chasm of logic you have dug.

      What are the other 11 must see games? Even though baskeball fans would save their money and watch the ensuing brickfest from home, I’ll give you the 2 Clippers games. Now you only have to think of 9 more must see games.

      Then you make the wild claim that one quarter of all OCians will buy a ticket…Talk about optimism! I’m born and raised in OC, live 10 minutes from the Honda Center and I love basketball but I’m not buying tickets to see the terrible Kings. If I’m the prime demographic and if I’m not interested, who would be? Besides yourself of course.

      On top of all that, not everyone likes basketball, certainly not a quarter of the population of OC. Of those that are basketball fans, how many of them are fans of already established teams like the Lakers, Clippers or even the Celtics – lots of transplanted Bostonians here. They are not going to waste good money on a terribly run team.

      This is going to be a huge failure. I stick to my original theory that the Maloofs are moving here to fail, so they can get bought out by the NBA.

      • purdueman - Mar 28, 2011 at 2:25 AM

        ibej… my oh my aren’t we the paranoid Laker Homer?! You sound like a desperate Laker fan who’s scared to death over the prospects of an NBA succeeding in Anaheim, but it IS going to happen… denial is not a river in Africa you know.

        Here’s 15 games that I think are money in the bank, even if the Kings/Royals are crappy next year: 2 Lakers games), 2 Clippers games (Griffen is money in the bank), 1 Chicago Bulls game, 2 Thunder games (like it or not, Durant’s a big draw), 2 Spurs games (Duncan remains a household name), 1 Celtics game, 1 Heat game, 1 Knick game (Mello is a big draw, and there are many transplanted New Yorkers in the OC), 1 Orlando game (Howard is a big draw, especially with all the speculation that he may leave Orlando as a free agent after the 2012 season), 2 Dallas games and 2 more games that will sell out simply because they fall on the right time on the calendar (like on MLK Holiday day).

        It really pisses you off, doesn’t it, that despite the fact there are many crappy NBA teams every season that somehow they all still manage to stay in business and sell tickets?

        No one could care less how close you live to the Honda Center or for that matter the Orange County sanitation reclamation facility… where you live is your choice, but that certainly doesn’t qualify you as any kind of an expert when it comes to operating an NBA franchise either.

        The one thing I can agree with about your emotional RANT though is that I agree the Malgoof’s aren’t in it for the long run, but are in it to prop up the value of the franchise to the point to where they can get out from under. A good local cable TV deal that isn’t possible in Sacramento will take care of that.

        Oh, the next thing that you’re going to try and tell us all is that because the Kings are currently a bad team that no cable company will sign on, right? WRONG! Why do you think that there are so many meaningless college football bowl games now? Uh, the answer to that question is because there’s such a big demand for live sports programming. Even a .09 or 1.0 market share is HUGE to a fledgling cable network.

        And it doesn’t take a basketball fan to attend an NBA game. NBA games are great places to take a date and the wine spritzer club just likes to go to them even if they don’t care about the teams involved… and the OC is FULL of such potential customers. Ever see the Housewives of Orange County on cable tv? Codo and Dove Canyon are full of people who are loaded and throw money at their kids to get them out of their hair.

        Watch and see… the Malgoofs WILL succeed!

    • zooguitar - Mar 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM

      So your business model for success hinges on 1 in every 4 people in Orange County buying 4 tickets to a game? Good lord, why don’t you just have Santa Claus pick up the tab? You will probably have some LA people drive out to Anaheim to catch the Lakers. But why? The Kings are not a marquee team. Before Blake Griffin, the Lakers/Clippers matchups were novelties at best and didn’t draw any better than other home games.

      You’re expecting to basically sell out half the season on a product that already has a presence in the area, and with a known inferior level of talent? Give it a rest, Purdueman. It’s a bad idea floated by unrealistic expectations.

      • purdueman - Mar 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM

        zoo… just because you are all high and mighty and snooty about the Lakers doesn’t mean that you’re in the majority in a major metropolitan area the size of LA/OC. Thank God for that too! Let’s see how gung ho you are on your Lakers once Kobe retires; it’s easy after all to jump on the old bandwagon you know!

        My business plan is apparently over your head. My business model is simply that the economics for a third NBA team clearly work and aren’t that hard to figure out. Simple as that.

        I’m sure that there are lots of NBA fans in the OC who don’t go through the hassle to fight the traffic and high ticket prices at the Staples Center that would love to go to a few or more NBA games every season. That’s hardly a big stretch of an assumption.

      • ibejeph - Mar 28, 2011 at 1:47 AM

        Purdue…I don’t think you have a good grasp on the Lakers fan base. There are plenty of bandwagon fans but there are many more who grew up with them.

        Want proof? Watch the Lakers pregame show. Anytime they interview some guy in his 30s, they start off by thanking Worthy for all the Showtime memories. Showtime was in the 80s!

        You are hoping for a great rise from obscurity for the Kings against a team that has a long and storied history of winning. History isn’t on your side.

        As I’ve said before, there are not a whole lot of people interested in professional sports here. This isn’t OKC or some other backwater. There is a lot to do here and if you are bored, you only have yourself to blame. No one is excited by a Kings team that most associate with losing to the Lakers that’s been plagued by years of mismanagement and lacking direction.

      • purdueman - Mar 29, 2011 at 12:34 PM

        ibej… again with the “I know the Orange County fan base because I live close to the Honda Center” nonsense? Please, get over yourself already. If you’re so damned smart, why ain’t you rich and own an NBA team?

        I could care less about the Laker fan base. It’s irrelevant to this conversation. You seem all paranoid that somehow the Kings may succeed and start eating into the Laker fan base. If they do, so what? The Lakers will continue to sell out regardless my friend.

        I think that you’re just afraid that the Kings will succeed and start to generate enough buzz in the OC and Riverside Counties to take away from all the non stop Laker hype. Can’t say as I blame you there, but why does that matter?

        Hey, I’ve got a GREAT idea for you. Since you’re clearly so worried about the Kings moving to Anaheim, why not just move to within walking distance of the Staples Center where you won’t have to worry about them becoming successful? San Fernando Valley would be a good choice for you to move to as well, because the Kings aren’t going to draw any fans from there… just can’t get from the OC to there in back in less than a day, even though it’s only about 100 miles away each way.

  8. rapmusicmademedoit - Mar 29, 2011 at 7:39 PM

    Kings suck, who will pay to watch them anyway.

    • purdueman - Mar 29, 2011 at 7:50 PM

      rapmusic… that ain’t the point. Sure the Kings aren’t very good right now, but who will be willing to pay to get into their games at the Honda Center? Fans like me who will initially pay my way in to see the Kings/Royals play Chicago, Miami, the Thunder, etc..

      I know that this may be a hard concept to grasp, but not all teams stay down on the bottom forever like the Cubs in baseball do you know (102 consecutive years of losing now). In fact, I can remember just a few years ago when everyone was saying the same thing about the Miami Heat (i.e., “they suck”).

  9. fiasco24 - Apr 2, 2011 at 4:29 PM

    Purdueman, stop trolling everyone on this thread. It’s not only Laker fans that don’t think it’s a good idea. Realize that.

    • purdueman - Apr 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM

      fiasco… I realize that there are others who are opposed to the Kings moving… there are a lot of people out there just like you who obviously lack a business background, much less have any clue how to run a $283M business like the Kings. All I can say is thank God I don’t have any investments in anything business that you’d be associated with running (as into the ground)!

    • purdueman - Apr 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

      fiasco… Business 101…

      Initial reports out here in Southern California is that Fox is likely to offer $40M or more for the cable rights to the Anaheim Royals games. In Sacramento their TV deal was reportedly only $11M/year.

      Let me see now… stay in Sacramento? Leave $29M/year or more in cable tv rights on the table (that don’t seem too smart, at least not to me). Hope and pray that the team will sell out the paltry number (30), of luxury suites at the old Arco cow barn? Or move and havee 82 luxury boxes at the Honda Center to sell (of which 90% are already leased)? How would that make any sense?

      Stay in a market of approximately 2.2M people (a lot of whom are seasonal government and immigrant farm workers)? Or move to an economically booming 5M area people that is Orange County and Riverside County, not to mention the additional 2.2M people in San Diego County (the drive to the Staples Center on a work night from San Diego County is prohibitive, but not to the Honda Center), to market to and draw on.

      From a business standpoint, the Kings move to Anaheim is a no-brainer.

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