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Nuggets asking the world for Carmelo, Nets pushing to make it happen

Sep 23, 2010, 1:05 AM EST

Thumbnail image for carmelo_anthony_denver_nuggets.jpgThe Chicago Bulls talked with Denver, but the Nuggets demanded that Joakim Noah be part of the deal. So it fell apart.

The New Jersey Nets talked to Denver, but the Nuggets demanded that Brook Lopez be part of the deal. So it fell apart.

Sensing a pattern here?

Denver is listening to offers for Carmelo but according to Chris Broussard of ESPN, teams think they are asking too much.

Sources say Denver has been a bit unrealistic in its trade demands and may want to go to Anthony’s reps with a “Hey-we-tried” story when camp begins. Denver has been trying to pawn off some of its bad contracts in any deal for Anthony.

Denver seems to want to make sure Anthony comes to camp — to make him have to deal with the questions and come off as the heavy. They can tell the

That and they want something approximating equal value back. Which sounds good on paper but something you never get when trading a superstar.

At some point Denver has to worry about is diminishing returns — as other teams GMs weary of the game and drop out, the offers might not be as good as what they have been. Toronto did that trying to trade Vince Carter back in the day.

The Nets are pushing hardest to find a way to make Denver happy, said Broussard. They made what seems the best offer — No. 3 pick Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy, Kris Humphries and a draft pick — but Denver wanted the untouchable Lopez.

So the Nets have started to look at three and four team deals. That’s more than the Knicks have done. Still, those are very hard to put together and fairly rare, however. Meaning, don’t bet on it.

At some point Denver and Carmelo’s team of advisors are going to have to play nice, or both will get screwed. Anthony would have to leave millions (maybe $10 million or more) on the table if he won’t sign an extension wherever he lands. The Nuggets could get nothing if Anthony leaves, setting the franchise well back.

If they work together they can each get a reasonably good outcome. But who knows if and when they will do that.

  1. johnmaine - Sep 23, 2010 at 2:28 AM

    MSNBC sports columnist Mike Celizic passed away. Great piece on him: http://bit.ly/bNhPDd

  2. JPerz - Sep 23, 2010 at 10:26 AM

    Ok this is ridiculous! I understand the Bulls don’t feel like trading Noah cause they did very good and he was one of the main reasons. But New Jersey is just being ridiculous, Brook Lopez couldn’t take the team anywhere but the bottom of the standings and they don’t want to include him in the trading mix for a prime player like Melo. What they think? That you get a diamond in exchange for a lot of garbage?

  3. JAY - Sep 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM

    anything that starts with “according to Chris Broussard” is useless.. he has no clue, every story he wrote or reported this summer never came thru, just runs with every rumor.. he’s just a poor-man’s Stephen A. Smith

  4. n1K - Sep 23, 2010 at 11:32 AM

    JPerz,
    Wow, you now nothing about the Nets if you think we would deal Lopez..

  5. retrah - Sep 23, 2010 at 11:36 AM

    If you look at Lopez’s stats (18.8 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.7 bpg) they rank up there with the top centers in the league, hence NJ not wanting to part with him. Forecasts for No. 3 pick Favors are very high, throw in some expiring contracts and a future number 1 pick and that’s not a bad package deal for Denver.

  6. scott - Sep 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM

    i love it…..both really have no credibility, they just write to write

  7. Lucaz - Sep 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM

    Jperz doesn’t watch a lot of basketball I see ha. Lol at thinking Lopez is just “a player”

  8. JPerz - Sep 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM

    And where Lopez stats brought them? Nowhere!You can’t trade on forecasts cause rookies are a Pandora Box, just look back at many players with “high forecasts” who end up forgotten or players who went the other way around making a high impact when no one expected it from them. Whatever they are doing (or want to do) is simply not working and BrookLopez is simply not the answer, last season was a disaster and they don’t be much better if Favors don’t make a real impact, is not often seen a rookie making a contender out of a team (say Tim Duncan for example). If they have a real chance for a turning point it is now finally acquiring a prime player and not expecting for Brook Lopez to become dominant or someone to get drafted there and waiting for it to conplemnt Harris and Lopez.

  9. JPerz - Sep 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM

    Is also good that I make clear that the deal I refer as “garbage for a diamond” is the one on the table and not the one including Lopez. If they are interested in Melo they have to put something of value and not what they are willing to give. The most convinient situation is IF (but that is a big if) Melo wants to play in NJ and Denver don’t manage to deal him before trade deadline. So they can sign him as a free agent.
    Lucaz : Lopez IS just a player, he is the kind of player who shines in the absence of true stars. I think it is you who need to watch more basketball do you might recognize the different layers in the league and the different kind of players. With the current roster and the awful performance of the Nets Lopez should be able to average 20/10. But he doesn’t, cause he is not a net superstar, just a good player who answer the call but still has a limit.

  10. Randall - Sep 23, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    Just once, I want to see an owner tell a player “Kiss my ass, you work for me. Want an extension? No problem. Want a trade? You’ll go where I damn well feel like sending you. Want to pick your own team? Screw your extension.”

  11. Stu - Sep 23, 2010 at 2:24 PM

    Jperz. you are dead wrong on pretty much everything. Lopez is far more valued by GM’s than Noah – its not even close. Are you actually stupid enough to blame lopez, who was the best player on the team at 21, for having a horrible team around him?
    And to call Favors the #3 pick garbage before he plays one game just shows how ignorant you are

  12. dirty jerzey - Sep 23, 2010 at 2:50 PM

    Give um harris in the deal i know it kinda doesnt work wit billups there but valuble piece along with favors and let Twilliams run the point

  13. Anonymous - Sep 23, 2010 at 4:15 PM

    So I’m ignorant just because I think Lopez is not a big deal? That shows how ignorant and stupid YOU are. So is not Lopez’s fault for having a bad team around him, that makes me feel like saying, “Is not C-Bosh’s fault for not having a good team around him.” Cause if it applies to Lopez then it applies to each and every single player who is the best in his team and have a bad team around him. Facts are facts and stats cannot be argued, if Lopez is in a bad team then why he doesn’t step up and really shine? he is not going much further that he is now. Just get a nice seat and watch closely.
    P.S. I would call you a moron, but I’m not the low class retrograde that youv are.

  14. Anonymous - Sep 23, 2010 at 5:50 PM

    JPerz, please just stop talking about things you obviously have no clue about. Lopez, to most scouts, gms, and other basketball analysts, is one of the most promising young big men in the league, behind Dwight Howard and Andrew Bogut. Additionally, he is 21 and had to be the leader of a team, where the best supporter he had was a player (devin harris) who missed almost half the season. he drew double teams constantly, and still managed to average a double double. Although Carmelo Anthony is great, he is not worth giving up one of the upcoming star big men in the league. And also, if you actually knew something about basketball, you would know that finding a great big man, is not that easily. Try naming 5 centers better than lopez besides the two i already stated, and maybe you have a case. But you cannot. So shut up.

  15. anonymous - Sep 23, 2010 at 5:51 PM

    JPerz, please just stop talking about things you obviously have no clue about. Lopez, to most scouts, gms, and other basketball analysts, is one of the most promising young big men in the league, behind Dwight Howard and Andrew Bogut. Additionally, he is 21 and had to be the leader of a team, where the best supporter he had was a player (devin harris) who missed almost half the season. he drew double teams constantly, and still managed to average a double double. Although Carmelo Anthony is great, he is not worth giving up one of the upcoming star big men in the league. And also, if you actually knew something about basketball, you would know that finding a great big man, is not that easily. Try naming 5 centers better than lopez besides the two i already stated, and maybe you have a case. But you cannot. So shut up.

  16. clk - Sep 23, 2010 at 7:59 PM

    LISTEN, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEVER GET THE SAME VALUE TRADING A SUPERSTAR THAT IS ON THE LAST YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT,FOR ONE MELO WILL NOT COME TO THE NETS IF THEY TRADED HIM FOR BROOK LOPEZ,HE WILL WANT THE NETS TO KEEP THEIR CORE PLAYERS, ALSO IF YOU THINK THAT BROOK LOPEZ IS GARBAGE, NAME 5 CENTERS IN THE NBA THAT IS BETTER THAN HIM, IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT NBA BASKETBALL THEN LET ME KNOW.

  17. Jth - Sep 23, 2010 at 11:05 PM

    The problem is not Melo, it’s the situation. The Nuggets don’t have leverage. GM’s know it. Hell, fans know it. 1. They have a player who can opt out and leave via free agency at the end of the year. 2. He has shown no interest in re-signing with the Nugget’s. 3. Raptors and Cavs 2010. 4. Don’t want to trade him in the west, less competition for a deal. 5. Melo refusing to sign extension with many clubs means even less competition. I can’t remember the last time a superstar was traded and the trading team got anywhere near equal value. KG to Celtics? No. VC to Nets? No. Gasol to Lakers? Hell No. Kidd to Mavericks, Ok but Mavericks were more desperate to get him than the Nets were to trade him. It doesn’t happen. And the longer they wait, the worse the deals. The Nuggets leverage is the unknown of a new CBA that could cost Melo $10-15 Million. He needs this done before Feb so he can’t demand Knicks or Bulls or he won’t sign an extension. If Denver lets him walk, he leaves a lot on the table. That means more offers for Nuggets. Unfortunately probably not very good ones.

  18. P Rich - Sep 24, 2010 at 12:17 AM

    This story must have been written a few days ago. Avery johnson pretty much shot down any deal including Favors. Melo isn’t going to the Nets. The Bulls aren’t gonna trade Noah. The Knicks Know that Denver has nothing to work with so they’re gonna wait until Denver embraces reality. If Melo wants to go to the Knicks, he will one way or the other.

  19. kc - Sep 25, 2010 at 2:08 AM

    five better than Lopez:
    Pau Gasol
    Andrew Bynum
    Tim Duncan
    Kevin Garnett
    Dwight Howard
    Yao Ming
    Andrew Bogut
    Chris Bosch
    Amare Stodemire
    etc…
    Perhaps Greg Oden — if he ever plays — is also better than Lopez.
    Ditto for the former OKlahoma big that now plays for the Clippers — the guy that broke his knee cap last year…
    I think Lopez is a fine player — but I’m not sure he will every be a top 5 center in the NBA… He is very close though. Seems there is usually only 1 or 2 really good centers (ala Shaq & Yao or Duncan/Robinson/ Hakeem) — then there is a big fall off to the other decent bigs… I’d put Lopez on the 3rd tier and perhaps someday he’ll get to the second tier big status — perhaps comparable to a Patrick Ewing — a fine big — but never quite good enough to get to the top tier.
    Sometimes stat’s are missleading. A decent player on a weak team will get alot more oportunities than an equal player on a better & more balanced team.

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