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Magic, Nets, Knicks ask about trading for Chris Paul

Jun 22, 2010, 4:42 PM EDT

nba_paul_250.jpgUPDATE 4:42 pm: The Magic’s offer to get Chris Paul out of New Orleans had to at least make the Hornets pause — Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter for CP3 and James Posey.

That according to FanHouse’s Tim Potvik. That deal would save the Hornets money long term — this is the last year of Carter’s deal — and net them a pretty good player in Nelson.

However, nobody thinks the Hornets are interested. New Orleans has not been for several years now as offers have flowed in before for Paul. Nothing has changed, they say.

8:37 am: LeBron who? Suddenly it is Chris Paul mania in the NBA. Everybody wants to trade for him, since reports surfaced that he is available.

As evidenced, there is the report from Sam Amick at FanHouse that the Orlando Magic have inquired about Paul’s availability from the Hornets. The Daily News reports both the Nets and Knicks have interest, with the Nets even making an offer.

A few quick thoughts. First, calls like this are made all the time in the NBA. Teams call around all the time and ask about this player or that, guys who may well not be available. You need to upgrade at the point you call a team like the Hornets, where talks have apparently stalled to bring in new owner Gary Chouest — it doesn’t take this long to finalize a deal — and the old owner may want to cut more salary. You don’t know who is really available unless you ask, so teams ask. A lot more than you think.

(By the way, if you were a crafty owner looking to sell your team like
George Shinn, but you couldn’t get the new owner to take on as much debt
as you like, would leaking a rumor though a reliable source that Chris
Paul is on the block be a smart move to speed the process along? It
might well be.)

Second, I know what World Wide Wes is saying, but it really makes little sense for the Hornets to part with Chris Paul. Yes, he had some injuries and played just 45 games last year. Yes he makes nearly $15 million this year and $16.3 million next year (with a player option after that), and the Hornets are not a high revenue franchise and the sale talks have stalled. But Paul is the best point guard in the NBA and a guy who is at the heart of the Hornets marketing efforts. Chris Paul sells tickets and wins games. What he makes is a fair price for him (in the inflated NBA-realm of what is fair) and the Hornets would never get real value back.

Next, is it really any shock the Nets or Knicks would be interested? These are two teams looking for a big start to rebuild around and Paul would fit the bill. The Daily News reports that the Nets offered Devin Harris and the No. 3 pick in the draft for Paul, but were shot down.

Finally, the most interesting part of this may be Orlando’s interest. This shows Orlando is thinking the Jameer Nelson/Dwight Howard combo many not be the answer, and if they have to make changes it is not Howard that has to go.

Point guard was actually the weakest position statistically on the Magic last year, for example look at PER generated and PER against (not a perfect measure, but one that gives you some idea). Jason Williams coming off the bench was part of that issue, but it was also with Nelson. Nelson was just a +1.5 per 48 minutes on the court this season, a number well below Howard (+10.8) or even Vince Carter (+6.9). Simply, the Magic were not that much better than their opponents with the shoot-first point guard Nelson at the helm.

The Magic may have their eye on a more traditional point guard. Jameer Nelson is actually pretty movable making $8.1 million per year for two more years.

However, finding someone better than will not be that easy — he brings a lot to the table and Orlando would miss his scoring. This may have been just a one-time shot in the dark to ask about Paul. Or, it may be part of a plan we see unfold over the summer.

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  2. KnicksTweets - Jun 22, 2010 at 10:54 AM

    CP3 on the Knicks = No brainer

  3. the REAL Foul Dwimmerlaik - Jun 22, 2010 at 11:22 AM

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I am a happy Hobbit!

  4. Jimsjam33 - Jun 22, 2010 at 11:39 AM

    The rich get richer . Isn’t that the way it works ? The Lakers trade Andrew Bynum , Jordan Farmer , and M Benga for Chris Paul . Works for me . Derrick Fisher returns as the backup and prolongs his career and Paul gets into the ” sunlight ” The Hornets get a quality Center and a backup . Jordan Farmer can lead the team at pg. It’s a win win situation for everybody . Money wise it works .

  5. Jimsjam33 - Jun 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM

    The rich get richer . Isn’t that the way it works ? The Lakers trade Andrew Bynum , Jordan Farmer , and M Benga for Chris Paul . Works for me . Derrick Fisher returns as the backup and prolongs his career and Paul gets into the ” sunlight ” The Hornets get a quality Center and a backup . Jordan Farmer can lead the team at pg. It’s a win win situation for everybody . Money wise it works .

  6. Foul Dwimmerlaik - Jun 22, 2010 at 12:31 PM

    I just can’t stand it! You pervert poser character assassination little boy. I am so pissed off. If I see you, I will certainly be stinky mad!
    But, then again, you are me. So, I have issues I need to work through. Bless me/you.
    Chris Paul doesn’t belong on the Lakers. They are MY team and I will say who gets on or off it. Not Chris Paul. I would CONSTANTLY confuse Chris Paul and Pau Gasol because there first/last name is too close.

  7. Sal - Jun 22, 2010 at 5:08 PM

    Vince and Jameer for CP3 and Posey doesn’t make any sense for New Orleans. Carter and Posey both have deals that expire after next season. New Orleans isn’t gaining anything in talent. Any Chris Paul deal should also include the winner of the “sweepstakes” taking Okafor off NO’s hands as well. Orlando can give back Brandon Bass or Marcin Gortat, both effective, moderately priced big men. Something like Jameer/Vince/Bass for CP3/Posey/Okafor makes a lot more sense.

  8. marlo stanfield - Jun 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM

    If the Hornets are looking to cut salery, they should trade Okafor to the Knicks for eddy curry and bill walker. Both of those contracts will end after next season so the hornets will have that coming of their books, and can simultaneously get rid of okafor’s lengthy four year contract. Curry stands to make 10.5 mill this season, and Walker about 700k. That equals about 11.2 million; Okafor’s contract is 11.3 million…the numbers match up. The Knicks can even throw in one of their draft picks (#38 or #39) to sweeten the deal.

  9. shawn - Jun 22, 2010 at 11:14 PM

    I think the nets trade looks good for them if they are gonna rebuild.They can get turner and start over by trading okefor for a exp contract…..If it is not working then tear the whole place down and restart.First by not signing max contracts to proven winners.

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